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I am seriously worried that Evertonians are being made to vote on a subject that we have nowhere near enough facts on. It worries me that my matchday experience will involve an extra hour of sitting in traffic to each journey. There has been no real mention of how this move to Kirkby would accommodate 50,000 fans converging on the ground every home game.
As it is Kenwright's Everton, I imagine everything will be done on the cheap so there will be no train or tram service, just a few extra soccerbuses from the city centre which will get caught up in the rest of the road traffic. The new ground will be too far for most fans to walk to so everyone will be relying on road transport. It will be a nightmare and I will find it hard to continue going if I'm spending so much of my time sat in traffic. It will also make it very hard to tap into these "new fans" which Wyness wants to attract if their matchday experience is the same.
This is not the sole reason for me voting NO but it is a major consideration.
Alan Clarke, Posted 09/08/2007 at 00:46:20
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Roy coyne
2 Posted 09/08/2007 at 01:30:33
2 Posted 09/08/2007 at 01:30:33
It will be like going to Bolton you spend more time getting on the road than the rest of the journey and as we are told its only 4.5 miles from Goodison ,if these supporters that will now suddenly become match going fans wont travel as far as that how long do you think they will stay when the novelty wears off.Do you think corporate company’s will travel to a town on the outskirts of a city when they can have one near a city centre they are using the planning method of shops in catchment areas but people who follow football stay with there own team so how many of this catchment area support Liverpool or Man Utd or any other club that is within traveling distance the argument is flawed and we will end up with a half empty stadium worse off than we are now
toffee rapper
3 Posted 09/08/2007 at 02:18:33
3 Posted 09/08/2007 at 02:18:33
so roy man u fans travel all the way to see their team from kirkby...its 30 fkn miles away! Why? because their team is successful! if a team has success it will bring supporters from ANYWHERE!
same goes for EFC, the kirkby move = more money = better players = better results = success, thats the plan and thats why im going to vote YES!
same goes for EFC, the kirkby move = more money = better players = better results = success, thats the plan and thats why im going to vote YES!
M
4 Posted 09/08/2007 at 06:51:42
4 Posted 09/08/2007 at 06:51:42
If your going to vote No to Kirkby don’t let it be on Transport.
The club has appointed consultants Steer Davies Gleave and they’re good. I know I work for one of their competitors (who may review the travel plan for the stadium for Knowsley/other authorities hence my name is only M)
If the tram was revived and the Merseyrail line extension would be great but the current transport links in Kirkby would cope with the stadium.
40,000+ people leaving one place at the same time (imagine every one living in Kirkby saying right i’m off) will always take some time. But I can’t see it after some settling down period being much different from Goodison.
Theres a few issues regarding transport to Kirkby that have to sorted (e.g making sure Merseyrail run 6 cars trains after games but i’m sure the increase in use and the fares it would generate would ensure that)but I won’t be basing my vote decision on Transport and i would reccomend that you don’t either.
On the loop site, not only is it too small but to cover the tunnel access road even with Mersey Tunels support. I think it would mainly be too costly (and possibly technically difficult) to be viable. I’m not considering this as a plan B.
The club has appointed consultants Steer Davies Gleave and they’re good. I know I work for one of their competitors (who may review the travel plan for the stadium for Knowsley/other authorities hence my name is only M)
If the tram was revived and the Merseyrail line extension would be great but the current transport links in Kirkby would cope with the stadium.
40,000+ people leaving one place at the same time (imagine every one living in Kirkby saying right i’m off) will always take some time. But I can’t see it after some settling down period being much different from Goodison.
Theres a few issues regarding transport to Kirkby that have to sorted (e.g making sure Merseyrail run 6 cars trains after games but i’m sure the increase in use and the fares it would generate would ensure that)but I won’t be basing my vote decision on Transport and i would reccomend that you don’t either.
On the loop site, not only is it too small but to cover the tunnel access road even with Mersey Tunels support. I think it would mainly be too costly (and possibly technically difficult) to be viable. I’m not considering this as a plan B.
Lee Spargo
5 Posted 09/08/2007 at 10:38:32
5 Posted 09/08/2007 at 10:38:32
I dont see how access cannot be better at Kirkby than Goodison.
If you’re travelling from the City Centre then it’s exactly the same route, you jut carry on a little further down Walton Hall Ave and then the East Lancs.
If you’re travelling from the South of the City or from out of town, then there’s the M57 or the Eastr Lancs in the opposite direction.
What’s the problem?
If you’re travelling from the City Centre then it’s exactly the same route, you jut carry on a little further down Walton Hall Ave and then the East Lancs.
If you’re travelling from the South of the City or from out of town, then there’s the M57 or the Eastr Lancs in the opposite direction.
What’s the problem?
Tommy Coleman
6 Posted 09/08/2007 at 10:44:51
6 Posted 09/08/2007 at 10:44:51
As things stand at Kirkby you will need to drive to the new stadium or walk 1 mile from the train station. This station could in no way handle a football crowd it’s as small as it gets.
fearnsey
7 Posted 09/08/2007 at 11:58:57
7 Posted 09/08/2007 at 11:58:57
if your coming from manchester then travelling to Kirkby is easier than travelling to Walton. I know becuase I work in Manchster and live in Kirkby. Get the wigan line to kirkby station from piccadily or drive and come in on either the lancs or the m62/m57. you hit Kirkby either way before you get to Walton.
as for transport links - i think the people who are experts will be running that part of the show. Not a millionaire west end impresario (note the word millionaire for those who think west end shows put themselves on, otherwise it would read homeless bum showbiz impresario).
as for transport links - i think the people who are experts will be running that part of the show. Not a millionaire west end impresario (note the word millionaire for those who think west end shows put themselves on, otherwise it would read homeless bum showbiz impresario).
Treacle Toffee
8 Posted 09/08/2007 at 13:08:17
8 Posted 09/08/2007 at 13:08:17
T Rapper
maybe public transport would like to take some of the 50000, but wouldn’t that mean even more traffic to add to the congestion on match day? Could you kindly explain how the Kirkby move = more money. Do you envisage 70 quid a seat in full houses? Or corporate business deserting OT and Anfield for the Tescodrome?
maybe public transport would like to take some of the 50000, but wouldn’t that mean even more traffic to add to the congestion on match day? Could you kindly explain how the Kirkby move = more money. Do you envisage 70 quid a seat in full houses? Or corporate business deserting OT and Anfield for the Tescodrome?
Marko Poutiainen
9 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:14:16
9 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:14:16
Toffee rapper got so abusive and repetitive in BlueKipper he got banned. No point in trying to have a discussion with him, as he is one of those people who don’t read your replies.
Treacle Toffee
10 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:37:43
10 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:37:43
Cheers Marko
Word on the wires is he’s posting from Wagga Wagga, NSW so, as well as being a WUM, he’d vote with the out-of-towners anyway
Word on the wires is he’s posting from Wagga Wagga, NSW so, as well as being a WUM, he’d vote with the out-of-towners anyway
robert carney
11 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:38:02
11 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:38:02
Did I imagine it or has Wyness now told us that only 1,000 car parking spaces will be available.
His first quote was 9,000 but this was withdrawn after being challenged.
The understanding now is that Aintree Racecourse will be used as a park and ride .
Mersey Transport also says public transport in the near future will not be able to cope without further investment. This is not Evertons problem.
Have you been to Bolton on matchdays? It is a nightmare, it took me 1 hour 12 minutes to get away last season. This proposal is twice the size Bolton.
His first quote was 9,000 but this was withdrawn after being challenged.
The understanding now is that Aintree Racecourse will be used as a park and ride .
Mersey Transport also says public transport in the near future will not be able to cope without further investment. This is not Evertons problem.
Have you been to Bolton on matchdays? It is a nightmare, it took me 1 hour 12 minutes to get away last season. This proposal is twice the size Bolton.
Chris Taggart
12 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:39:51
12 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:39:51
I traveled from the lytham/st anns area to and from games for over four years at around a total of 4 hours per trip most of which was fighting my way out of the stanley park car park up through swich island anyone and i know of many others who do the same journey still and some who travel even further for home games
dont hear any complaints from them do you?
dont hear any complaints from them do you?
robert carney
13 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:46:39
13 Posted 09/08/2007 at 15:46:39
p.s. The chances of the tramline being funded from central goverment was withdrawn due to the amout of money that is involved in the Olympic programme. It is fair to say that that none of the local councils can afford to pick up a bill in the region of £150 million pounds
Alan Clarke
14 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:09:32
14 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:09:32
The point is we don’t know how they’re going to do it. We know Everton like doing things on the cheap so it will probably be left to just road travel.
Moving to Kirkby means:
- The local community around Goodison and Liverpool City who attend the game on foot will now have to get transport.
- They’ll be an extra 10,000 fans attending games.
- It is far easier to get to Goodison as there are loads of diiferent routes into Liverpool where you can park up and walk in. If we’re out in the sticks on a retail park, there will most probably be one road in and one road out like Bolton. (There may not be, Everton could have loads planned but I wish they would tell us).
For me, not on a matchday, it is far easier to get to Kirkby than Goodison but on a matchday it could be an absolute nightmare. These so called experts that have been appointed to look into transport, why haven’t we been given any information on it? Also these experts may suggest a superduper high speed monorail but Everton won’t pay for that.
I love Everton but I also love the whole going to the match. If my matchday experience involves 2 extra hours in traffic, it will be ruined and it will ruin many others.
Those accusing me of a stupid post are the ones that need to give this subject a lot more thought because not one reply has reassured me that the transport links will make getting to Kirkby worthwhile.
Moving to Kirkby means:
- The local community around Goodison and Liverpool City who attend the game on foot will now have to get transport.
- They’ll be an extra 10,000 fans attending games.
- It is far easier to get to Goodison as there are loads of diiferent routes into Liverpool where you can park up and walk in. If we’re out in the sticks on a retail park, there will most probably be one road in and one road out like Bolton. (There may not be, Everton could have loads planned but I wish they would tell us).
For me, not on a matchday, it is far easier to get to Kirkby than Goodison but on a matchday it could be an absolute nightmare. These so called experts that have been appointed to look into transport, why haven’t we been given any information on it? Also these experts may suggest a superduper high speed monorail but Everton won’t pay for that.
I love Everton but I also love the whole going to the match. If my matchday experience involves 2 extra hours in traffic, it will be ruined and it will ruin many others.
Those accusing me of a stupid post are the ones that need to give this subject a lot more thought because not one reply has reassured me that the transport links will make getting to Kirkby worthwhile.
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1 Posted 09/08/2007 at 01:08:19
Stupid post, need to try harder!