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Manny ? Part ownership?
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Just read on this Portuguese website that we have offered €9M for Manuel Fernandes. I think that is around £6M which would pay for Benfica's half of Fernandes. Are we allowed to only own 50% of the player or would we have to buy the rest of the part owner? From what I have heard we are going in for him but it is going to take time because the premier league will have to get involved.
It does look like this is more than speculation considering it has appered in such places as The Echo, Portuguese news papers, Sky Sports News etc. Hopefully we can get him in and kick on with the season.
Connor Rohrer, Posted 09/08/2007 at 14:43:10
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harj
2 Posted 09/08/2007 at 17:42:20
2 Posted 09/08/2007 at 17:42:20
I hope we get Manni- above Yakubu, but if neither joines - im still optimistic -Pienaar will be class -COYB
Steve Claringbold
3 Posted 09/08/2007 at 17:44:26
3 Posted 09/08/2007 at 17:44:26
The Premier league big bods came out at the start of the week saying they wouldn’t allow third party ownership.
I can’t see him coming to be honest and all the news outlets reporting it all seem to be getting it from the same source as everyone that I’ve read more or less write word for word.
I can’t see him coming to be honest and all the news outlets reporting it all seem to be getting it from the same source as everyone that I’ve read more or less write word for word.
Art Greeth
4 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:03:58
4 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:03:58
Try this link Connor... much jucier... front page of a sports daily in Portugal.
http://www.record.pt/capa.asp?id=754174
It reads:
?Manuel Fernandes and Léo could leave Benfica?
MORE NIGHTMARES
Everton and Man City prepared to pay the 9 million clause for the midfielder. (NOTE: 9 million would be EUROS? not sure if the clause refers to a release figure and whether that is just the part Benfica would receive, given the third party ownership).
And here?s another link from today?s Jogo paper giving more detail about the story.
>http://www.ojogo.pt/
The translation is:
Everton wants to sign Manuel Fernandes. The English club where the red player played in the second half of last season is willing to go to nine million euros to guarantee the services of the midfielder, whose contract is shared between Benfica and the investment fund, GSA. Valencia is also in the race for the player.
The British club is, at this time, in conversations with Benfica. The club chairman, Bill Kenwright, is leading the negotiation. And, after having the offer for the Dragon (Porto?s nickname) Lucho González refused, the leader of the "blues" wants to guarantee a replacement quickly, especially because the English league starts the day after tomorrow. Bill Kenwright is currently in London trying to ensure the signing of the Middlesbrough striker Yakubu whilst simultaneously opening negotiations for the Portuguese international.
Already last January the Everton chairman tried to guarantee Manuel Fernandes’ loan for one more season, but that scenario did not appeal to the player whilst Benfica were also not receptive, putting too high a price on the contract.
Now the objective is really to purchase the midfielder in an effort by Bill Kenwright that will satisfy the manager David Moyes’s, whilst also increasing his popularity with the fans who had earlier "asked for" Manuel Fernandes’ continuity.
At this time, the Portuguese international midfielder is considered one of the main elements of the Benfica team for the manager, Fernando Santos. However, that doesn’t mean that a transfer is considered non-negotiable.
http://www.record.pt/capa.asp?id=754174
It reads:
?Manuel Fernandes and Léo could leave Benfica?
MORE NIGHTMARES
Everton and Man City prepared to pay the 9 million clause for the midfielder. (NOTE: 9 million would be EUROS? not sure if the clause refers to a release figure and whether that is just the part Benfica would receive, given the third party ownership).
And here?s another link from today?s Jogo paper giving more detail about the story.
>http://www.ojogo.pt/
The translation is:
Everton wants to sign Manuel Fernandes. The English club where the red player played in the second half of last season is willing to go to nine million euros to guarantee the services of the midfielder, whose contract is shared between Benfica and the investment fund, GSA. Valencia is also in the race for the player.
The British club is, at this time, in conversations with Benfica. The club chairman, Bill Kenwright, is leading the negotiation. And, after having the offer for the Dragon (Porto?s nickname) Lucho González refused, the leader of the "blues" wants to guarantee a replacement quickly, especially because the English league starts the day after tomorrow. Bill Kenwright is currently in London trying to ensure the signing of the Middlesbrough striker Yakubu whilst simultaneously opening negotiations for the Portuguese international.
Already last January the Everton chairman tried to guarantee Manuel Fernandes’ loan for one more season, but that scenario did not appeal to the player whilst Benfica were also not receptive, putting too high a price on the contract.
Now the objective is really to purchase the midfielder in an effort by Bill Kenwright that will satisfy the manager David Moyes’s, whilst also increasing his popularity with the fans who had earlier "asked for" Manuel Fernandes’ continuity.
At this time, the Portuguese international midfielder is considered one of the main elements of the Benfica team for the manager, Fernando Santos. However, that doesn’t mean that a transfer is considered non-negotiable.
Knoxville Mike
5 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:07:08
5 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:07:08
Just a matter of time on this one. To many sources about saying the same thing. A definete crowd pleaser. What more do you want to deflect the new diggs issue. I think this is a must for Wyness & Kenwright. Watch it to be done before the window closes if the governing body slows it down look for him to come in the winter. No loans this time unless we do the 6 month variety up front till all the details get settled. I’d say Robert Earl likes this bloke. Is he pulling some of these strings you think?
Clive Manning
6 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:09:55
6 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:09:55
Personally I’m convinced neither Manny nor Yacubu will be coming to Everton.I think it’s all a big smokescreen-put bids in for players you’ve no hope of signing and the fans think you’re trying hard to sign the stars.I’m sure we shall see a few new faces but they’ll be Jag-type journeymen not world beaters.
Shaka
7 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:18:28
7 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:18:28
All this talk of Yakubu and Manny coming to Everton...Watch us end up with just Vogel by end of August. Then the board will come out saying the right players won’t availble at the right places.
Knoxville Mike
8 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:26:37
8 Posted 09/08/2007 at 18:26:37
Vogel would still be a nice pickup.
Steve S
9 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:25:38
9 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:25:38
Not sure how reliable the Guardian’s football news email is but tonight it says that Boro have agreed to sell Yakubu to us. It also says that Boro are about to sign Mido but then again the Fiver once said that SWP was on his way to Everton...Draw your own conclusions!
nick
10 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:51:57
10 Posted 09/08/2007 at 19:51:57
signing manny would make up bigtime for the poor summer we have just endured’
although i do have to say though that there is no place in football for a group like the gsa and joorbichian.
they complicate matters , inflate prices and are nothing more than financial vampires. parasites on the world of footballs arse.
i dont like dealing with them at all !
although i do have to say though that there is no place in football for a group like the gsa and joorbichian.
they complicate matters , inflate prices and are nothing more than financial vampires. parasites on the world of footballs arse.
i dont like dealing with them at all !
Ray
11 Posted 09/08/2007 at 21:02:10
11 Posted 09/08/2007 at 21:02:10
I have also heard that Boro are in the bidding for Mido now..Its actually on BBC Ceefax..Maybe its paving the way for Yakubu to be sold to us who knows, but it would potentially soften the blow for them if Yakubu did leave..I hope it happens but Im past getting too excited after the amount of publicity stunts/smokescreens Everton pull
Ray
12 Posted 09/08/2007 at 21:08:02
12 Posted 09/08/2007 at 21:08:02
Where about in tonights Guardian does it say that they have agreed to sell Yakubu to us?
Nick Harrison
13 Posted 09/08/2007 at 23:28:44
13 Posted 09/08/2007 at 23:28:44
The Guardian’s ’football news e-mail’, Ray. Not the paper itself.
I wouldn’t read too much into Boro signing Mido, they were after Smith and before this anyway and I’m sure they’re interested in replacing Viduka first.
I wouldn’t read too much into Boro signing Mido, they were after Smith and before this anyway and I’m sure they’re interested in replacing Viduka first.
Chris Dottie
14 Posted 10/08/2007 at 07:26:35
14 Posted 10/08/2007 at 07:26:35
Manny won’t be signing for us unfortunately. As another Portuguese paper Correio de Manha says, until a month ago Benfica would have been open to letting him leave. Since we have left it until now, they have seen him in pre-season training for a month and he’s looked excellent. A Benfica fan I know got in touch to say how grateful their fans were that he progressed so much with us. They have sold Simao and play in the Champions League next week.
By the way though, they would not have sold their 50% of the player for less than ?9M or 6M pounds, so I can’t see how we could have got him for less than 12M sterling. I know everyone loved him, and I think he’s a good player. But personally I wouldn’t say he was worth that much. Isn’t that 4 Mikel Arteta’s ?
By the way though, they would not have sold their 50% of the player for less than ?9M or 6M pounds, so I can’t see how we could have got him for less than 12M sterling. I know everyone loved him, and I think he’s a good player. But personally I wouldn’t say he was worth that much. Isn’t that 4 Mikel Arteta’s ?
Ross Trotter
15 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:39:29
15 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:39:29
I dunno how people can say this will definitely be happening or this won’t be - unless your Moyes et al how do you know?
Let’s just cross our fingers and wait and see. I think I’m sick to death of speculation!
We need to get behind the team on saturday, a win is a must.
Let’s just cross our fingers and wait and see. I think I’m sick to death of speculation!
We need to get behind the team on saturday, a win is a must.
Chris Dottie
16 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:49:48
16 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:49:48
If you’re sick to death of the speculation Ross, I don’t think the Toffeeweb mailbag is the place for you ! What else are we going to do on here, wait silently until Moyes logs on ?!
Ross Trotter
17 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:59:47
17 Posted 10/08/2007 at 10:59:47
What else are we going to do on here? How about address the fact we play Wigan on Saturday? Do we just ignore the football until Manny Fernandes signs for us. Is that when the season starts? No, we’ve assembled another good squad and if Manny is bought then all well and good, it’s a great boost for everyone. If he’s not, it’s not the end of the world. The signing of Leighton Baines could be just as important. He’ll give us great width, attacking options on the left which we tend to lack, not to mention danger from set plays. He also gives Lescott the chance to get a full season playing centre half. Our season does not depend on whether we sign Fernandes or not.
Chris Dottie
18 Posted 10/08/2007 at 13:41:33
18 Posted 10/08/2007 at 13:41:33
I don’t think anyone has suggested that our season depends on signing Fernandes, Ross, but you are writing this in a thread entitled "Manny".
I agree Baines will do well, much as it hurts that we have to pay so much to get a decent left back nowadays. I hope he gets a regular starter in front of him as opposed to the merry go round we had at left mid last season.
I agree Baines will do well, much as it hurts that we have to pay so much to get a decent left back nowadays. I hope he gets a regular starter in front of him as opposed to the merry go round we had at left mid last season.
Ross Trotter
19 Posted 10/08/2007 at 14:34:37
19 Posted 10/08/2007 at 14:34:37
Haha, Yep, that’s a good point right enough! Maybe i should take my soap box elsewhere!
Who do you think will/should play wide left? I see Kilbane is supposed to be playing left back against on Saturday
Who do you think will/should play wide left? I see Kilbane is supposed to be playing left back against on Saturday
Chris Dottie
20 Posted 10/08/2007 at 18:43:21
20 Posted 10/08/2007 at 18:43:21
I’d love to see how good Pienaar is, I’m hoping he’ll make that position his own this season. If it’s too early for him I would imagine Osman will get a chance.
Bet Arteta can’t wait to get out there knowing Kilbane is supposed to try and stop him !
Bet Arteta can’t wait to get out there knowing Kilbane is supposed to try and stop him !
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1 Posted 09/08/2007 at 17:41:33
I reckon we’re better buying him outright anyway.
MSI - Bad for football. On a different note if Kia Joorbichian and his band of ’investors’ ever come near our club we should chase them with a big stick.