ToffeeWeb - Season 2007-08

Chris Jones (Wakefield)
1 Posted 12/08/2007 at 14:20:12

"Where does this leave me" you ask Rob? Can I suggest for starters you go back and re-read the article. It’s not concerned wth which is the best ground in England, it’s about the best ground in England from the prespective of the away fan. So it cardly concerns us Blues does it?!

Also, the writer in the Observer says ...

"... No legroom and supporting pillars in parts of the lower tier, with diabolical views from the back ... though ... the acoustics are top-notch. Home fans easily out-singable.

"Overall away trip rating: 8

"Beautiful time warp. Pillars, old seats, medieval toilets, shabby tiny concourses, rubbish legroom. Perfect. It’s got that X factor. England’s running out of places like this - and with Goodison, the first major football ground in the country, built in 1892, also now under threat, it’s a must visit."

So. it’s not really as your piece paints it is it, Rob?

Anyone wanting to rad the piece for themselves should visit http://football.guardian.co.uk/season200708/story/0,,2146281,00.html

Chris Jones (Wakefield)
2 Posted 12/08/2007 at 14:24:31

Apologies for the atrocious typing in my response.

Raoul Duke
3 Posted 12/08/2007 at 14:28:03

Which would suggest the new-builds are actually the TOP stadiums for home fans.. ie. us, when we move.

Phil Bellis
4 Posted 12/08/2007 at 14:28:29

My mate, Jon Porter, who works on the Observer sport’s desk, says the Old Lady would’ve come first if 2 of the reporting team hadn’t been killed when part of the stadium fell on them. The No camp are keeping that one quiet!.

Tony Marsh
5 Posted 12/08/2007 at 14:18:01

Rob I dont go in for all this Goodison is falling down Bullshit.OK so its not the most modern of stadia and has its problems but it sure beats going to Kirkby.We are being fooled in to believing that a new stadium in Kirkby with more corperate facilities will be the making of us.Those who think this way just dont understand the Everton fan base.The club can not sell out all it corperate seats at Goodison Park as it is and they are really cheap in comparision with other PL clubs.Where are all these extra big spending fans going to come from to make this idea work.To attract the corporates and the box fillers you need to have a succesfull side with Champions League football to go with it.Without this you are pissing in the wind as far as attracting the big hitters.Talk of making a 50 or 60.000 seater stadium are laughable.We only ever hit the 40.000 mark twice a season as it is and going out to Kirkby will definetly effect our walk up on the day punters.Before we rush in to this Knowsley deal we need to know a lot more about BK s plans>and future finances.I mean whats the point in moving to a new stadium in Kirkby and still being skint?

Rob Sawyer
6 Posted 12/08/2007 at 15:27:23

Chris, My point was not that Goodison is a fantistic stadium by today’s standards - many parts are bad (legroom, view from Lower Bullens, pillars etc).Change is needed - probably a move. But would the gleaming Kirby (as illustrated recently) turn out to be another Riverside/Pride Park with no soul?

fenn
7 Posted 12/08/2007 at 15:39:14

stadium of light has to be in top 3
in country.

Sean Rothwell
8 Posted 12/08/2007 at 16:07:14

And if you read the full article, guess what is listed as the top local attraction.... KNOWSLEY Safari Park. Yeah, Knowsley. You know, that weird mystical place lightyears beyond the 20ft electric fences that surround the ’City of Liverpool’. Quality.

John Talbot
9 Posted 12/08/2007 at 16:47:59

Tony sick of reading your crap, rubbishing every pro-kirkby article cannot believe you really believe that there is no benefit of moving..all of 4 miles (long walk from your front door or do you own a local pub)...

Robbie Kirkham
10 Posted 12/08/2007 at 17:04:43

I hope Kirkby gets a yes vote its time to stop living in the past and accept were going to leave Goodison for Kirkby we can’t afford any of the proposed sites in Liverpool as we would have to buy the land and pay for the stadium i was in row qq lower Gladys and i could hardly see anything it will make you no less an Evertonian if you say yes remember you support the team not the ground.

Eddy Grundy
11 Posted 12/08/2007 at 17:10:59

I was in row R, Lower Bullens yesterday, it was like watching a match through a letter box.
If you have any doubt about our "Great Ground" grab a seat in row R, it is the pits.
We have to move, my problem is, I’m still not sure where but if Kirkby is the only option, let us embrace it, start building now for our future.

Gary Carter
12 Posted 12/08/2007 at 20:04:38

Tony, it doesnt really matter wether or not "you go in for all this Goodison is falling down business" because fact is fact. We had to spend 500k to keep our safety certificate to host games there. Every other fan I know laughs at how old and dilapidated our stadium is.

Gavin Ramejkis
13 Posted 12/08/2007 at 20:32:17

Gary Carter we had to give more than that to KW whilst being off sick and selling everything

Andy
14 Posted 12/08/2007 at 20:35:12

i find it funny the amount of people who now think goodison is a shithole,
would eveyone have been saying this if wyness had not said the stadium falling down.

mike benjamin
15 Posted 12/08/2007 at 21:29:49

Goodison is not and never will be a shit hole, however, it has now outlived it’s usefulness. People ask where will be get our extra 10,000 supporters....i believe we would in a ground where every seat has a view of the whole pitch rather than at least one concrete pillar. Many cannot just paying thirty odd quid for a shite view which is why we only sell out for a few games a year.

The hairs on the back of my neck still tingle every time I turn into Gwadys St and I will never forget the times I use to go on the bus with my mate and we walked down Everton Valley.....the site of the main stand was awesome.

IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON.....THE LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF!

Roy coyne
16 Posted 12/08/2007 at 21:56:02

First well done Tony first class post that I agree with and no insulting remarks,and Mike Benjamin you are dreaming if you think 10,ooo supporters would come because of a better view IF the only seat left was the one with the worst view in the ground and it was that or nothing then like all true blues I would take it once again you are believing the club hype it wont happen unless we suddenly turn into a team that can win the league which sadly is a long way off

Roy coyne
17 Posted 12/08/2007 at 21:56:02

First well done Tony first class post that I agree with and no insulting remarks,and Mike Benjamin you are dreaming if you think 10,ooo supporters would come because of a better view IF the only seat left was the one with the worst view in the ground and it was that or nothing then like all true blues I would take it once again you are believing the club hype it wont happen unless we suddenly turn into a team that can win the league which sadly is a long way off

Mike Homfray
18 Posted 12/08/2007 at 23:11:32

We all love Goodison - but we need something better, and there’s only one option open to us.

So I have voted yes. No sentimentality, just common sense.

Chris R
19 Posted 12/08/2007 at 23:46:59

Ron
Have you ever heard of punctuation?

Hugo Kondratiuk
20 Posted 13/08/2007 at 00:40:20

Chris
Have you ever heard of spelling?

Chris Jones (Wakefield)
21 Posted 13/08/2007 at 00:57:48

Yes Hugo, I have "heard of spelling", which is why I took the trouble to post an apology for my poor typing skills.

As to filling ANY new 55k seat stadium (wherever it might be), perhaps the board might consider a flat £5 entry fee for the under 12’s? This would help create a new generation of fans. Good Lord I know that at 48 I can’t afford a £30 entrance ticket (when added to the cost of petrol for a round trip of 200 miles etc.) but it would be nice to know that youngsters born within 10-15 miles of the Pier Head could still afford to attend!

Gavin Ramejkis
22 Posted 13/08/2007 at 06:43:34

Chris Jones, recent club history in cup games has seen the club "stiff" younger fans with tickets which have priced them out of entry, even when the club have a significant amount left they have not dropped the price or offered a low pay on the gate to "get bums on seats", the bigger crowd would certainly have helped the atmosphere too. I fear the prime target of KW is too stubborn to do this, after all 1000 gate sales at £5 a go is still more than 1000 unsold tickets.

Terrymarsbar
23 Posted 13/08/2007 at 10:59:04

I truly believe that if we win the UEFA cup, the FA cup, The League..and our youth team win the League cup, That Gavin Ramejkis
and Tony Marsh would be seen standing outside Georges hall with a KEIOC flag shouting abuse while all around them swooned in a sea of blue delirium...
Please look up the word "supporter "....it aint what you are..
Some people just like a cause to hang onto, it makes there mundane and pointless existence have some meaning..The swinging jaws..dull expression..the articulated"you can stick your fuckin kirkby up yer arse" chants......I actually smile and have fun I most games, am I really in the minority?

Tony Cunningham
24 Posted 13/08/2007 at 11:15:23

Tony Marsh and co really has to try sitting in Row PP in the Gwladys St or the back row of the Bullens Rd. As Andy Baker mentions in another thread having the option of not having to cut your knuckles on the roof while celebrating a goal is a reason why we have to move.
I love Goodison and everything about her. I remember thinking things would never be the same when terraces disappeared and they haven’t been but time moves on and so must we. A new stadium will feel cold and empty at first but given time it will be as good as we make it and as good as the players on the pitch.
We have our chance now and must take it.

PATTY
25 Posted 13/08/2007 at 11:48:30

Will a new stadium give us that overwhelming surge of love and passion when you go into the stadium and take your seat. Nothing like the old lady for that - my heart swells with pride and love when that happens.

By the way, was anyone else surprised that Jags did not get on the pitch on Saturday, even for the last 15 minutes. Felt sure Moysie would bring him on, and was disappointed he didn’t although impressed with our new Stevie. If ’they’ can have a Stevie G, we can have a Stevie P.!!

Samuel
26 Posted 13/08/2007 at 12:55:38

May I suggest those who complain of a bad view dig a bit deeper intot their pockets and get a ticket in the Park End?

My misses assured me, such is the view, you can clearly see the bulge in Arteta’s shorts.

Dave Thompson
27 Posted 13/08/2007 at 13:19:03

Terrymarsbar...

We wouldn’t be standing outside St George’s Hall. That’s in Liverpool. What right would we have to parade around there?

The view from Knowsley Town Hall might just not be so good....

Will Mitchell
28 Posted 13/08/2007 at 13:38:38

Rob,

I think the question you now need to ask yourself is should we sacrifice our great old stadium and our inner-city location for something akin to pride park / riverside and a supposed extra 10mm turnover?

The common sense response is NO.