I too cannot understand the boundary argument - it’s all too convenient for my liking. Many people have argued that we have to stay within the ’City of Liverpool’ boundary because ’we have been there for over a hundred years’ (....zzzzz) and it is where we belong. Well, if that is the basis of the argument have we not also been at Goodison for over a hundred years and in Walton for over a hundred years? These places must also be our home therefore. How is it then, that it is ok to leave the Goodison Park boundary or ok to leave the Walton boundary? Goodison Park and Walton also have boundaries you know? The whole thing is about people selfishly choosing which boundaries are ok to leave and which one’s aren’t. How pointless is that?

Peter

You’ve obviously not been listening to the ’No’ arguments.

Firstly, it?s not a boundary issue. A move away from inner-city Liverpool, the cradle of our history, to a hinterland retail park is highly undesirable because it will jeopardise what makes the club unique: our cultural heritage and our strong sense of identity in relation to the dramatic urban landscape of inner-city Liverpool. A move to Speke would be similarly undesirable.

Also, as has been demonstrated on this site by other contributors, the financial arguments for Kirkby are far from convincing. Why sacrifice so readily what makes Everton, Everton? And all for the sake of a supposed (very meagre) £10mm increase in turnover. (I note that even this figure, extracted from thin air by Wyness & Co, is premised on a large increase in the average attendance and Corporate Hospitality revenue streams).

Will,In the first place Inner City Liverpool was not the cradle of our history. Secondly, if your opinion of Walton includes its description as a ’Dramatic Urban Landscape’ then for Christ’s sake get a life! As for retail, have you walked up Walton and County Roads recently? They are RETAIL thoroughfares, shops and burger bars, pubs and cafes, DIY and Pound Emporiums.And all this Goodison is in the middle of!

What makes Everton, Everton can change by the day. Everton is not Everton because it is in Walton. There was a time when it was not in Walton, not even in Liverpool. What makes Everton , Everton is what goes on on the pitch and not where the stadium is.

For goodness sake, Peter, just take a little time to read the archives on TW, WSAG and other websites and you’ll realise the "no" vote has many strands. It’s not one lumpen view. Yes, there are some for whom the "boundary" question is pivotal. And I disagree that they?re acting like "spoilt children". However, there are many others, like me, for whom the boundary is irrelevant and we’d easily accept playing in areas of Sefton, for example, but they’d have to be the right areas. It’s all to do with visibility. With profile. With prominence. And Kirkby ain’t got any. You cite Garston, for instance, and yeah, I’d readily concede that I wouldn’t think it the best location for EFC. But at least in terms of marketability the area abuts one of the fastest growing airports in western Europe with a far greater throughput than Kirkby. So, Garston over Kirkby every time, even if we did leave our ?north end? roots. Now, at this late stage in the vote, I think it’s established by most, on either side of debate, that you either "get" where the ?no? voters are coming from or you don’t. I can well understand why many "yes" voters just don’t "get it" or ?comprehend? it, as you put it. And, like on another thread today, about the Leahy letter, where "Gavin" a "yes" voter asks some pertinent (TM - Keith Wyness) questions of me, I can only offer up one response: it’s the wrong location. It’s not where a 21st century Everton should be basing itself. There are many reasons why Kirkby has become what Kirkby has been disgracefully allowed to degenerate (in the truest sense of that term) into these last 40 years; and essentially it’s because the town has been badly let down by politicians, planners and regulators so many times (including the, by now near-beatified to listen to some, Knowsley Council). It’s not up to Everton to rally to Kirkby?s cause. Now that really would be sentiment. Ask yourself why Kirkby has been allowed to become the woefully misrepresented place it is. You’ll find, if you’re honest, that a large part of the answer is that it’s too often been "out of sight and out of mind" - even within the sainted Knowsley borough (ask yourself why KMBC is chiefly based in the favoured child of Huyton and not the ?we try not to talk about him? blacksheep that is Kirkby...and by the way, I?m on Kirkby?s side here!). And it’s for those same "off the beaten track? and ?sweep Kirkby under the carpet? reasons why it’s just so ill-fitting for Everton to land themselves there. Kirkby gets swept aside all too easily because it can be swept aside so easily. Right from the off, 50-odd years ago when the beleaguered and unwitting victims of Liverpool?s so-called ?slum clearance? were promised a ?country garden village? with a ?bath square? (lol) Kirkby and its people have been scandalously short-changed time and again because it, and they, are ?out there?. Everton can?t afford to get caught up in what was and remains a sociological own-goal of Sandy Brown proportions. That’s essentially the only argument that many "no" voters, like me, need. And, like at Goodison when we get "taunted" with "you’ve only got one song" and we reply "we only need one song", well so it is with many (admittedly not all) "no" voters. Kirkby?s just the wrong location. We’ve come to that instinctive conclusion through our heads, not our hearts. We realise the gamble of our stance (do you accept the gamble of yours?) but we also know the nuances of the whole "location, location, location" nature of our viewpoint (bizarrely it seems that for many "yes" voters the equation is: "a seemingly solid funding package = a naturally great location" - but it doesn’t necessarily follow). Finally, I probably agree with your last sentiment that it is "time to move on" but that doesn’t necessarily mean to Kirkby. My advice: seeing that you can?t yet ?comprehend? the ?no? vote then, at this late stage, I really wouldn?t bother. August 28th just can?t come quick enough...for both of us.

If you really support Everton you should vote yes to the kirkby move i am getting quite tired of all the keep us in liverpool rubbish,the fact is when we met liverpool at wembley it was called the all merseyside final not the all liverpool final.kirkby has a L postcode and its up the bloomin road,we have the chance to reinvent ourselves with a great new stadium with low costs.We cannot afford to build our own and if we stay static no doubt about it we will be in the championship before too long.I understand all the points about other sites ie the loop but can you imagine the traffic jams coming around the tunnel the whole city would come to a stand still on match days.Get real look to the future and vote Yes.

I voted no.Not because of boundaries.I’m originally from Huyton(in Knowsley)but,if people ask where I am from,I say, "I am originally from Huyton in Liverpool"because for me, it’s in Liverpool.The reason why I voted no,was that I think financially moving to Kirkby is the wrong thing to do.Thats it,plain and simple.

No, you "get real" Mike Flaherty and don’t question whether I "really support" Everton just because I’ve voted "no"! I’m "tired" of lame unsubstantiated comments like yours.

Have you actually read any no vote postings its a lot more than boundaries even if this was in the city there are too many ifs and total lack of trust as well as insufficient facts.