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A lot has been written in the last 10 months on the move and much is still to be uncovered by the club after the vote has closed. I have never trusted the club from the outset on this project... too many vested interests have been at the center of this project. The money trail will eventually stop at the doorstop of those who stand to most profit from this exercise and that will be the custodians and hidden benefactors of our club.
The drip drip feed of the release of the Kirkby plans has only further complicated the situation and in the end, once all the Yes and No voters have seen the full and true plans in broad-daylight, then one feeling will rise up like no other and shout... Conned!
It will be like being blindfolded and taken for a long ride outside of your city and dropped off the back of a bus in the middle of nowhere. A quick check around and the first sign that the familiar Liverpool skyline is nowhere in sight, except for Tesco carrier bags drifting like tumbleweed across a vast retail park. Welcome to the "me too" strip mall, shopping trolleys, shoppers fighting for car park spaces and the wife & kids who set about their battle plans for their weekly shop.
Apparently there will be a football ground somewhere in this shopping jungle and maybe a plastic pub full of Tesco shoppers tired from their weekly shop. Oh, but hang on, must not forget, I have to pick up the wife & kids and the Tesco shopping after the final whistle and then spend an hour or two crawling out of the car park to the edge of retail park.
STOP right there! I don't need a vote on this because every blue cell in my body tells me that this is wrong and I should be somewhere else except this place.
Enjoy Kirkby, really.... but I will be in one of the many cracking city center pubs, watching the game and laughing my ass off at the reds fans with my wife and her Tesco shopping trolley fooking miles away. We all have to make choices and this one was the easiest choice I ever had to make.
John Cribb, Posted 18/08/2007 at 10:27:34
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Mike Dunne
2 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:21:57
2 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:21:57
Good post....
I don’t think the club realise how much support they will lose. I have spoken to a number of people who feel like you do.
The attempt to railroad the club out to Kirkby is not for the good of the club or its fans. Like you I believe it will serve individuals and vested interests only, thats why we have the almost hyserical "yes but! - no but!" put downs by those representing the Club of the Goodison and The Loop alternatives. It is simply wrong.
I don’t think the club realise how much support they will lose. I have spoken to a number of people who feel like you do.
The attempt to railroad the club out to Kirkby is not for the good of the club or its fans. Like you I believe it will serve individuals and vested interests only, thats why we have the almost hyserical "yes but! - no but!" put downs by those representing the Club of the Goodison and The Loop alternatives. It is simply wrong.
John Charles
3 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:36:39
3 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:36:39
If yuo wont travel 4 miles to watch the blues then you’re not one of us anyway.
You’re not a blue like me on the basis of 4 miles.
Personally, if we decided to play at Marine’s ground I’d be first one in still... thats being a proper Evertonian.
Yuo don’t have to agree, you can even vote no, but its not concerning for some to say "i’m not going". Its 4 miles.. anyone who won’tt go out of ’principal’ needs thee head examining or arent proper Evertonians, rather, they are just people who go a match every weekend.
Anyone would think we were moving to milton keynes!
You’re not a blue like me on the basis of 4 miles.
Personally, if we decided to play at Marine’s ground I’d be first one in still... thats being a proper Evertonian.
Yuo don’t have to agree, you can even vote no, but its not concerning for some to say "i’m not going". Its 4 miles.. anyone who won’tt go out of ’principal’ needs thee head examining or arent proper Evertonians, rather, they are just people who go a match every weekend.
Anyone would think we were moving to milton keynes!
Colin Spears
4 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:39:22
4 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:39:22
Well I shall be fucking there,I tell you!What a load of miserable twats purport to be followers of our great club.We’ll be better off without a lot who write in here!
Tony Williams
5 Posted 18/08/2007 at 15:54:32
5 Posted 18/08/2007 at 15:54:32
You so called "fans" make me laugh.
So if Everton relocate to Kirkby you’re not going the match anymore.
Good then, as you are obviously not a fan of Everton, just someone who follows a team that happens to be inside a certain radius from your home.
I would say burn your season ticket in protest but I very much doubt you have one.
So if Everton relocate to Kirkby you’re not going the match anymore.
Good then, as you are obviously not a fan of Everton, just someone who follows a team that happens to be inside a certain radius from your home.
I would say burn your season ticket in protest but I very much doubt you have one.
Paul Dewhurst
6 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:01:21
6 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:01:21
Read this post with absolute horror!!!! Is this what being an evrtonian is all about, am I missing something???? Then read the posts by John, colin and tony thank fuck not all evertonians are complete wankers. Thanks lads this stadium debate is almost as fucking stupid as the "well I wont go brigade"
Roy coyne
7 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:13:55
7 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:13:55
May I humbly suggest that Mr Cribb is not the wanker but the style of the replies and the tone I think there are a few here who are
Raoul Duke
8 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:37:32
8 Posted 18/08/2007 at 16:37:32
Fuck sake!!
Can we stop this stupid, childish name-calling people!?!
Can we stop this stupid, childish name-calling people!?!
Steve Williams
9 Posted 18/08/2007 at 17:08:30
9 Posted 18/08/2007 at 17:08:30
Well done the Board!!
They are the real architects of this disharmony nad wretched in-fighting.
They give me no confidence that they should lead this great club and its terrific fans. Divide and conquer.
After this who can trust them?
They are the real architects of this disharmony nad wretched in-fighting.
They give me no confidence that they should lead this great club and its terrific fans. Divide and conquer.
After this who can trust them?
tom morris
10 Posted 18/08/2007 at 17:52:24
10 Posted 18/08/2007 at 17:52:24
Steve Williams.
"After this, who can trust them?"
After what, giving the fans the opportunity to use their own intelligence and opinions and voting on the move ? The callous, unfeeling bastards.
What’s the alternative, not giving fans an opportunity to vote and just doing it anyway ?
Jesus wept fella, what exactly is that you want ?
Seems to me that whatever the club does, you’ll find fault with it somehow.
Talk about a ’no win’ situation!
"After this, who can trust them?"
After what, giving the fans the opportunity to use their own intelligence and opinions and voting on the move ? The callous, unfeeling bastards.
What’s the alternative, not giving fans an opportunity to vote and just doing it anyway ?
Jesus wept fella, what exactly is that you want ?
Seems to me that whatever the club does, you’ll find fault with it somehow.
Talk about a ’no win’ situation!
Gerard Madden
11 Posted 18/08/2007 at 18:08:26
11 Posted 18/08/2007 at 18:08:26
Utter nonesense!
I’ll be there in Kirkby with a great deal of relishment, i’m grateful for our club giving us the vote when they didn’t have to and i’m grateful they’ve allowed us to vote in the comfort of our own homes - letting us make a considered judgment in our own time.
Well done EFC and I can’t wait for our new home to be built.
I’ll be there in Kirkby with a great deal of relishment, i’m grateful for our club giving us the vote when they didn’t have to and i’m grateful they’ve allowed us to vote in the comfort of our own homes - letting us make a considered judgment in our own time.
Well done EFC and I can’t wait for our new home to be built.
Matthew Johnson
12 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:04:34
12 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:04:34
I would vote ’no’ to Kirkby, however if the decision goes against my own personal stance on the issue and Everton end up in Kirkby I would still 100% go to matches.
tommy gibbons
13 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:51:46
13 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:51:46
Cribb n Coyne what will you do, when Everton move, boo hoo hoo,
to that land so far away no supporters can make their way, Give us a clue just who you support, is it Everton or the rednose hordes, Coz all you do is whinge and cry that Everton will surely die, if they move so far away that you can’t get a pint on matchday...
Just a little prose for you to think on whilst you have a poo!!
Well, you talk through your arse don’t you!!
to that land so far away no supporters can make their way, Give us a clue just who you support, is it Everton or the rednose hordes, Coz all you do is whinge and cry that Everton will surely die, if they move so far away that you can’t get a pint on matchday...
Just a little prose for you to think on whilst you have a poo!!
Well, you talk through your arse don’t you!!
Roy coyne
14 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:59:27
14 Posted 18/08/2007 at 19:59:27
Matthew no matter which way the vote goes I think it will take a long time for both sides to reconciled its so sad
Roy coyne
15 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:16:39
15 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:16:39
Ok Gibbons you turd how long have you been going to games I have missed 5 games at goodison since 1958 so you ignorant twat how long have you had a ticket so its your view or no view grow up or better still find a new hobby like cos Evertonian you ain’t
Sandy Brown
16 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:12:39
16 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:12:39
If he doesn’t want to go to the match when we move to Kirkby, it’s up to him. It’s his money, his choice. I’m not a season ticket holder, but I go to as many games as I can. To be honest, I highly doubt I’ll go to as many games in Kirkby as I do at Goodison. My choice, my money. Doesn’t make me less of an Evertonian.
Part of the match day experience for me is the walk to the ground, the familiar old streets, the familiar pubs, a cup of tea and a sarnie in the Church - call me an oul arse, but I find that more attractive than heading out to a huge shopping centre in Kirkby, to a ground sandwiched between a load of chain stores and cafes, and a couple of plastic "theme" pubs.
If Kirkby turns out to be as satisfying an experience as Goodison, I’ll go there just as much. If not, I’ll pick my matches and maybe there’ll be less incentive to pick some of the duller games.
Let’s be honest about this - some fans are simply not going to feel the pull to go to so many games in Kirkby. It’s no bid deal, Wyness and Leahy seem to think we can fill a 50-60,000 seater out-of-town stadium week in week out, so they obviously know something I don’t.
Part of the match day experience for me is the walk to the ground, the familiar old streets, the familiar pubs, a cup of tea and a sarnie in the Church - call me an oul arse, but I find that more attractive than heading out to a huge shopping centre in Kirkby, to a ground sandwiched between a load of chain stores and cafes, and a couple of plastic "theme" pubs.
If Kirkby turns out to be as satisfying an experience as Goodison, I’ll go there just as much. If not, I’ll pick my matches and maybe there’ll be less incentive to pick some of the duller games.
Let’s be honest about this - some fans are simply not going to feel the pull to go to so many games in Kirkby. It’s no bid deal, Wyness and Leahy seem to think we can fill a 50-60,000 seater out-of-town stadium week in week out, so they obviously know something I don’t.
tommy gibbons
17 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:58:13
17 Posted 18/08/2007 at 20:58:13
Thanks for the laugh Roy, and my dad is bigger than your dad!
you’ve missed 5 games? where were you! Anfield with the Cribb?!
You, Cribb n Sandy Brown (yeah right thats his real name) think that most Evertonians are like yourselves, it’s either your way or no way.. I think you’ll find your wrong! once the decision is made, only the few bitter n twisted turds like you will carry on the arguments! Whether its no or yes life goes on, true supporters will follow the club wherever it may be... it seems if the vote goes against you and your ilk, you’ll either go less or stay away altogether.. really?! go have a word with yourselves!
you’ve missed 5 games? where were you! Anfield with the Cribb?!
You, Cribb n Sandy Brown (yeah right thats his real name) think that most Evertonians are like yourselves, it’s either your way or no way.. I think you’ll find your wrong! once the decision is made, only the few bitter n twisted turds like you will carry on the arguments! Whether its no or yes life goes on, true supporters will follow the club wherever it may be... it seems if the vote goes against you and your ilk, you’ll either go less or stay away altogether.. really?! go have a word with yourselves!
Sandy Brown
18 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:19:33
18 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:19:33
Gibbons
You’re either on the blob or you’ve been smoking too much cat-nip, you transsexual poodle-abusing numbskull.
You’re either on the blob or you’ve been smoking too much cat-nip, you transsexual poodle-abusing numbskull.
Tommy Gibbons
19 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:30:33
19 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:30:33
Hey Sandy... do you know me?! you must go the same clubs as me if you know that much about me!
Anyway, nice to see you?ve got nothing else to do on a Saturday too when Everton are away!!
BTW boys, lets not get too personal unless ya wanna buy me a pint, then I?ll meet you anywhere ya like and trade insults...
Anyway, nice to see you?ve got nothing else to do on a Saturday too when Everton are away!!
BTW boys, lets not get too personal unless ya wanna buy me a pint, then I?ll meet you anywhere ya like and trade insults...
Roy coyne
20 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:03:19
20 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:03:19
Sorry Tom to old to turn gaye but you enjoy your self are you sure your old enough to drink and my dad is bigger ha
Roy coyne
21 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:06:48
21 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:06:48
Tom the turd forgot to tell you I missed the matches when I had a heart attack a few years ago just after Camara scored for Wolves.
Steve Williams
22 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:58:13
22 Posted 18/08/2007 at 21:58:13
Tom Morris:
Clearly you are blinkered. I’ll spell it out in as many simple words as I can.
The Board has:
1. Given NO real detail as to what options they have considered.
2. Given NO information on their market research as to why Kirkby is the ONLY option.
3. Given NO financial breakdown as to who foots the bill for how much for what, and for how long.
4. Denied the fans the opportunity of comparing the Kirkby site against any other by publicly stating there are NO merits of any other site.
5. Threatened the fans that a NO vote will kill Kirkby and we would be left to rot at Goodison.
Please tell me how anyone can use their intelligence and form a reasoned opinion when next to NO information is available? It is precisely this that gripes me so much. We are asked to vote with only propaganda to work with - on both sides I may add.
On top of all that the Board knew or ought to have known that giving fans the apparent Hobson’s choice would lead to this bitter in-fighting that is threatening to break up the Everton family.
If only they had been honest and open from the outset then there would be no need for any of this.
It is precisely for these reasons that I, and many thousands of other Evertonians, don’t trust the Board. Now if you don’t like my views, then that’s fine, but don’t try to make out they are invalid. Because if you do, then you are doing down many of our family, and I bet BK and KW are lapping it up. As I said divide and conquer.
What we really need is a cooling off period when all parties can offer full information. The only way to do this is to vote NO and force further information into the public arena. You never know, when we are all better informed we may just decide that Kirkby is the best after all. Surely you don’t believe all that tosh about the club ditching Kirkby if there is a no vote? Believe me BK stands to lose £50m Kirkby is ditched (information directly from KW in the literature given out). Whatever the outcome, at least we would all have got there together and no-one can have any recriminations or accuse the various sides of underhand tactics.
Clearly you are blinkered. I’ll spell it out in as many simple words as I can.
The Board has:
1. Given NO real detail as to what options they have considered.
2. Given NO information on their market research as to why Kirkby is the ONLY option.
3. Given NO financial breakdown as to who foots the bill for how much for what, and for how long.
4. Denied the fans the opportunity of comparing the Kirkby site against any other by publicly stating there are NO merits of any other site.
5. Threatened the fans that a NO vote will kill Kirkby and we would be left to rot at Goodison.
Please tell me how anyone can use their intelligence and form a reasoned opinion when next to NO information is available? It is precisely this that gripes me so much. We are asked to vote with only propaganda to work with - on both sides I may add.
On top of all that the Board knew or ought to have known that giving fans the apparent Hobson’s choice would lead to this bitter in-fighting that is threatening to break up the Everton family.
If only they had been honest and open from the outset then there would be no need for any of this.
It is precisely for these reasons that I, and many thousands of other Evertonians, don’t trust the Board. Now if you don’t like my views, then that’s fine, but don’t try to make out they are invalid. Because if you do, then you are doing down many of our family, and I bet BK and KW are lapping it up. As I said divide and conquer.
What we really need is a cooling off period when all parties can offer full information. The only way to do this is to vote NO and force further information into the public arena. You never know, when we are all better informed we may just decide that Kirkby is the best after all. Surely you don’t believe all that tosh about the club ditching Kirkby if there is a no vote? Believe me BK stands to lose £50m Kirkby is ditched (information directly from KW in the literature given out). Whatever the outcome, at least we would all have got there together and no-one can have any recriminations or accuse the various sides of underhand tactics.
tommy gibbons
23 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:20:11
23 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:20:11
Roy, 1/5/2004 appx 4.10pm
Jim Lloyd
24 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:20:41
24 Posted 18/08/2007 at 22:20:41
Bloody Hell, what is going on here? I m concerned that we are ripping ourselves apart , while those in the board, who ought tom have made the decision anyway, calmly do a Pontius Pilate and just let us get on with agonising about moving out of our city.
I don’t ever want to see us leave this city. I think that we will just become a club, maybe successful, maybe not but we will not be a Liverpool club, we will have left our roots behind. Anyway, that’s just my view, I’ll fully respect any Evertonian who doesn’t think it matters.
I’ll go to the game, maybe not as much, maybe a bit more..but I’ll go. So will most Evertonians but please remember, especially you Tom, that whichever way this goes a lot of us are going to feel hurt and will say things in the heat of the moment, which we normally wouldn’t.
For the life of me I cannot abide Bill Kenwright as chairman of this club. I know he is; it’s a fact of life. I know he’s an Evertonian but I still don’t trust him. Too many incidents for me;The King’s Dock, NTL,Fortress Sports, so he might be an Evertonian but I don’t think he will ever willingly reliquish control of EFC.
Just ask yourself why are we being given the vote! If there is truly, no alternative to Kirkby what is the point of us voting.
I’ll tell you why I think we’ve been given the vote. It’s to cover Kenwright’s arse. If it works out, then he will receive the plaudits for being such a great fellow and letting the decision be taken by all the Blues. If it goes to ratshit, then he will be able to say we voted for it.
I can’t understand why there is such a god almighty rush for us to make the most important decision in Everton’s history.
Myself! I would want to see the detailed plans that Bestway and LCC come up with. If they are rubbish, we will then have a clear conscience about what decision we are making.They have only had a few weeks to come up with an outline plan, for god’s sake, will a few months be too much to ask to see if the last chance to stay in Liverpool or not, is a viable one.
Kenwright in my opinion, has abrogated his responsibility and left it to us to decide. So let’s see what’s on offer before we make our minds up.
I don’t ever want to see us leave this city. I think that we will just become a club, maybe successful, maybe not but we will not be a Liverpool club, we will have left our roots behind. Anyway, that’s just my view, I’ll fully respect any Evertonian who doesn’t think it matters.
I’ll go to the game, maybe not as much, maybe a bit more..but I’ll go. So will most Evertonians but please remember, especially you Tom, that whichever way this goes a lot of us are going to feel hurt and will say things in the heat of the moment, which we normally wouldn’t.
For the life of me I cannot abide Bill Kenwright as chairman of this club. I know he is; it’s a fact of life. I know he’s an Evertonian but I still don’t trust him. Too many incidents for me;The King’s Dock, NTL,Fortress Sports, so he might be an Evertonian but I don’t think he will ever willingly reliquish control of EFC.
Just ask yourself why are we being given the vote! If there is truly, no alternative to Kirkby what is the point of us voting.
I’ll tell you why I think we’ve been given the vote. It’s to cover Kenwright’s arse. If it works out, then he will receive the plaudits for being such a great fellow and letting the decision be taken by all the Blues. If it goes to ratshit, then he will be able to say we voted for it.
I can’t understand why there is such a god almighty rush for us to make the most important decision in Everton’s history.
Myself! I would want to see the detailed plans that Bestway and LCC come up with. If they are rubbish, we will then have a clear conscience about what decision we are making.They have only had a few weeks to come up with an outline plan, for god’s sake, will a few months be too much to ask to see if the last chance to stay in Liverpool or not, is a viable one.
Kenwright in my opinion, has abrogated his responsibility and left it to us to decide. So let’s see what’s on offer before we make our minds up.
Roy coyne
25 Posted 18/08/2007 at 23:46:18
25 Posted 18/08/2007 at 23:46:18
I know Tom I checked up on it a few weeks ago.I had planned to go to wolves but forgot I had promised to take the wife ro a garden centre in Widnes was driving through Prescott listening to the match and the last thing I remember was Camara scoring and woke up in the Royal and no one told me the score.
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1 Posted 18/08/2007 at 14:31:59