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Good times...bad times

It is with heavy heart that I accept we have voted yes to the move to Kirby. I know it isn't a million miles away but most have missed the symbolism behind such a move. It will likely have consequences in terms of support in later years but let's wait and see. I have never believed that Kenwright really loved the club and I think he has pioneered this move to help uincrease his own wealth - I bet he sells up within 2 years!

I think we all need to accept that Kirby is going to happen and that no amount of moaning or campaigning is going to change the result.

For me, I believe that the club's desperation to move has fractured into two sets of supporters:

1)Those of us who have seen some great football in the seventies and most of the eighties, understanding the saying Nil Satis Nisis Optimum and disbelieving Wyness and Kenwright on previous form.

2) The younger supporters who have been unlucky and not seen these great times and honestly believe that the likes of Atrtetea and Aj are amongst the best ever seen in a blue shirt.

I am glad that I have witnessed great times in Goodison and sadly feel that this will seal our fate as perceived number two club in the city. We are now going to be residing in a town that has a population less than half of that of Birkenhead!

Despite all of this - I still love Everton Football Club. It is the people running the club I dislike.
Russ Kavanagh, E Port Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:22:13

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Tommy Coleman
1 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:13:32

Well said Russ, you are right about the different groups of supporters, it seems the older generation have far higher standards than the younger groups. This, not helped, by the prolonged period of winning nothing under Kenwright.

Steve Lyth
2 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:16:28

Russ mate check your diction, very poor, 2 out of 10. xxx

Chris Keightley
3 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:28:20

You have voted yes and said goodbye to the No 1 team in liverpool we are no longer any more than what tranmere represent to the city fuck all.

Rupert Sullivan
4 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:30:31

Russ, I agree with most of what you say but I do think Kenwright loves the club, sadly this doesn’t mean he can run the club!! You may be right about the two years though...

Julian
5 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:23:02

I don’t buy your idea that Kenwright doesn’t really love the club.

He can’t really win though. He’s ben critisised for years for not getting investment in.

Now there is speculation that once we have a new ground investors might be interested in buying the club - and then Kenwright get’s stick becuase he might make a profit on his shares!

PS can we please all learn how to spell Kirkby?

Julian
6 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:36:37

Also, the Tranmere/Birkenhead comparison isn’t really a fair one.

There’s a real geographical boundary between Birkenhead and Liverpool, which has always been there not an imaginary political line which has only existed since 1972 (and which may be changed again in future).

Steve Lyth
7 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:48:54

Chris K, Russ did not get a vote mate.

Chris Keightley
8 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:54:45

Sorry Russ but its been a very emotional day, just hope that with everything that has gone on this week it dosent have an effect on the performance tomorow. i will be holding my badge as they run out to z cars regardless, once a blue always a blue.

Steve Ferns
9 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:01:45

Julian, is the M57 not a real boundary then? Why is a river more of a boundary than a motorway? Birkenhead is closer.

Enjoy parading your trophies around kirkby village. Well actually don’t, you will never win anything again. Everton as we know it is dead. Kirkby FC will takes its place.

Joe C
10 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:50:56

What blinkered, rose-tinted rot.

I watched the Blues from a very young age, from the late sixties onwards, and your "great football in the seventies and most of the eighties" just doesn’t stack up in my personal recollection.

We had a towering, majestic side in the early seventies which was allowed to break up and was never really replaced. My memories of the seventies were mostly of Mick Lyons and Bob Latchford, who, while great servants, never played in a dominating league winning team.

In fact from about 1973-84 we were mostly, frankly, dire, despite being a big club in a much more level playing field.

We had a great side from 1984-87 before that too was allowed to break up too soon (and if you ask me Dr David Marsh, followed on his heels by Peter Johnson, are the real villains of our current situation - their actions or rather inactions in the case of Marsh have been far-reaching for the club). For reasons well documented by the European ban, our club was hit hardest of all, and we missed the big boys boat at the worst possible time. Since then the playing field has no longer been level.

"Nil satis" is an ideal to aspire to, and a good one, but we are now clawing back some status from a 15 year cycle. Those of you who think we should and can win the premiership at the present time are frankly deluded. The criteria for that are not just good management but plenty of cash. We have to be able to generate more.

Tony Miller
11 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:08:36

I agree that this vote split supporters. However your assumption that those who sawa the 70’s 80’s etc voted one way and those who have only seen recent times is a leap to far for me.

Tony Miller
12 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:12:30

Julian, is the M57 not a real boundary then? Why is a river more of a boundary than a motorway? Birkenhead is closer.

I take it if you can walk across water?. Boundaries like this are natural not man made.Birkenhead is closer to the Dock road but it is not closer to Goodison Road.

Enjoy parading your trophies around kirkby village. Well actually don?t, you will never win anything again. Everton as we know it is dead. Kirkby FC will takes its place.

Kirkby village where’s that then?. Everton as YOU know it is dead, but Everton itself is still very much alive.

Allan
13 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:18:25

What a load of twaddle the main post is; I’m in my mid 30’s and a blue all my life. I know and love the club as much as anyone of any age, and your view is blinkered, not to mention offensive. This isn’t about who knows best or who saw the best players in blue; its about what’s best for the future. The yes vote has shown that most people are forward thinking and not clinging in vain to past glories. I don’t give a fuck what the shite think, they already think the city is there’s anyway. Move on, new chapter. The futures bright.

Steve
14 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:31:09

Well its done, as we all really knew it would be.
Kenwright is an absolute disgrace as a chairman of a football club, AND as chairman of Everton he should hang his head in shame.
Not because he will move us to Kirkby but the way he has been invisable during this epic time which will shape the future of the club.If he makes a fortune I couldn’t care less if he makes a fortune and Everton football club suffer he will have an awful lot to answer to..
So lets see some fucking plans to make the whole football world stand up !!!

Roy coyne
15 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:39:17

Allan the People that could not be bothered to vote have a lot to answer for,I would accept that the people who voted yes believe its right for the club as the nos vote do notbut the 11000who could not be arsed voting are a disgrace

jimmy
16 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:44:31

well my worst nightmare has just happened and the retards who voted yes have just started the slow and lingering death of my beloved, everton football club you have just made that useless fat,schemeing ladyboy kenwright afucking fortune but have tore from my heart everything that made me an evertonion

Dave Roberts
17 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:59:47

Err, two sets of supporters? Those who remember the seventies and the success of the Eighties... and the poor youngsters?

I remember the fifties and the success of the sixties mate. Can I have a set of supporters I can fit into please?

Thanks

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:57:59

Tony Miller, Kirkby Village is the town centre is known as. Same as Bootle Village, and Huyton village. People still refer to going into Liverpool City Centre as going into town. Just old fashoined phrases that have stuck.

You can get to Birkenhead in five minutes from Liverpool, via the tunnel. I frequently drove into Hamilton Square for work.

Your right that Everton as I know it is dead. I cannot believe you do not feel the same way.

gee
19 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:04:32

good grief blue tinted glasses time again we were great and its all down to goodison... hmmm grounds dont win games players and the fans behind them do!

money buys players and a new ground is going to create money and investmentsimple fact if we want top compete we have to evolve.

and "the retards that voted yes" you completely insulting biggoted bastard jimmy, who makes you the judge of everyone else - im sorry if you heart has been ripped out, perhaps its your head that should be removed from the clouds (or your arse) not bothered which.

COYB!!!!!!!! time for new history

Steve Lyth
20 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:14:32

Stevie Ferns, there is a lot of us who feel the same as you but it aint over yet mate, this is Everton after all.

Mike Mulhall
21 Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:44:40

Can we please give it a rest regarding "EFC will lose their identity in agreeing to move to kirkby", its getting to the point of being sad. There are greater and more important things going on in the world other than moving 5 or so miles down the road to an area that is just outside city boundaries!

How will the move affect our fanbase? That is a ridiclously stupid question, if we currently get a following from abroad then I am sure we will still get fans from the "city boundaries". The Kirkby move is essential now as made clear by the board! So what if tesco will make a mint out of the development! Did you expect them to lose dosh? No Chance! We will make money on it and I know I will have greater satisfaction in going the game to a ground with facilities that are worth paying £35 to £40 a ticket for! Goodison of late is tired and prettty much passed it! the area is tired and a fresh impetus will do us all good.

Dave Roberts
22 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:16:33

Don’t want to split hairs mate, but how can we be the perceived No2 Club in the city if we are in Kirkby?

We will be, though, the number one Club there!

Tony Miller
23 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:21:26

Steve Ferns. The thing is Everton will never die in my eyes no mattter where they are or in fact what league they are in although they have only been in one during my spell on earth..

Thats just the way I feel as I have said before I know others don’t feel the same. I do not hate or castigate them for feeling different as that’s life.

Steve Ferns
24 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:26:30

Dave Roberts, your last comment has just summed up the yes vote.

Steve Ferns
25 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:29:05

Tony, I have never castigated anyone on here. I have frequently requested no voters curb aggresive posts.

I don’t hate you for airing your views. You have come to your own opinions. I believe you are wrong, but do not think that we should suddenly turn tale and accept it. Liverpudlians know how to protest and protest we shall. There is plenty more fight left in this city. We’ll even recruit the kopites’ help if that whats it takes for this great city to retain two top clubs.

jimmy
26 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:26:13

to gee please bring a friend to fill the seat that i wont be using in the historyless tesco cowshed i hope you dont regret what you have done ,i wontanyone for st domingo rovers?

Tony Miller
27 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:33:56

Steve F.
Never said you have but others have on both sides and this in my eye’s is wrong.
It has been unfortunate that some resort to abuse particularly when there has been good debate on both sides.
I have no problems with the no voters carrying on with the fight. This is providing it is done in the correct way as otherwise more damage will be caused. This vote caused a rift that will take time to heal if in fact it does.
However the rift can turn into a chasm if protest go to far we are all Evertonians, we may not allways agrea not just on this issue, but players formations etc. That is one of the things I enjoy a good debate different opinions, life would be boring otherwise. I do stress however I enjoy a GOOD debate not one were threats and abuse are thrown at people you until recently shared a common goal with.

Again I am not targeting this at you but there are others who have raised their heads from behind computer screens who could cause problems if they acted the same in the real world rather than the virtual world.

Good luck with your protests I am sure you will keep it clean.

Steve Lyth
28 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:27:23

Mike without wishing to sound pedantic, the move to Kirkby will affect the fan base through future generations. That was my main reason for voting NO and the fact that all the commercial reasons cited by the board are complete bollox.
We have been mismanaged commercially for years and it wont change until the board we have are replaced. Your comments regarding the identity issue becoming sad, well mate I can assure you its going to get a lot sadder, cue every visiting teams fans from here on in.They will remind you of the loss of our identity at every game. Still sticks and stones, blah blah blah.

Bob Fletcher
29 Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:42:18

Steve Ferns, Kirkby Village is the area by the railway station. Kirkby Town Centre is known by everyone in Kirkby as ’The Townie’

Russ Kavanagh
30 Posted 25/08/2007 at 09:25:53

Sorry to all residents of Kirkby - I will now have plenty of time to learn how to spell it.

Regarding the rose tintee view - yes it is in some respect but to say tfrom 74 onwards was Lyons and Latchford is wrong. Gordon Lee and Billy Bingham came painfully close to producing top sides. Their were other very good players who played for the blues: Duncan Mac, Mark Higgins, Billy Wright, Martin Dobson, Colin Todd and Davie Thomas to name but a few...

Certainly some of the football was exquisite. I really can’t see any of todays side apart from Arteta getting into those teams. We usually scored wide marging wins several times a year.

I accept the Kirkby vote but still say that Goodison and the City of Liverpool played a large part in it. I am from Cheshire and can still see the need to be tied culturally and financially to the City (ps - my Dad’s side are from Liverpool, Dingle area so I am only half a woolyback :))

Ray Roche
31 Posted 25/08/2007 at 12:32:06

Steve Lyth.....stop calling everyone "mate".You haven?t GOT any mates,mate.

Steve Lyth
32 Posted 25/08/2007 at 14:42:10

Ray ? You dont know me or if you did you would know that I am immensely more popular than you will ever be MATE

ray
33 Posted 26/08/2007 at 16:19:37

Steve, I’ve been told that you have to get someone else to call your dog for you......even HE can’t stand you!
How’s Scott and Gaynor, by the way?
Well,I hope.