ToffeeWeb - Season 2007-08

Michael Kenrick

Unbelievable.

Mike Giller
1 Posted 26/08/2007 at 16:47:32

Manny Fernandes is joining Valencia for 5 years looks according to official valencia site and sky sports news. How did we fuck this one up?

Rob Esteva
2 Posted 26/08/2007 at 17:07:34

Hmmmm, wondered why there was such a delay on Manny! He's signed for Valencia!

Mike Southworth
3 Posted 26/08/2007 at 17:27:17

Manny's not coming to Everton... Disappointed? You could say that...

Jon Barry
4 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:35:31

unbelievable ?

pretty damn predictable id say !!!

Rob Burke
5 Posted 26/08/2007 at 17:34:26

Are the rumours true is Maunel Fernandes going to Valencia? I really hope not as I fought we were on to a winner here.

Colin Malone
6 Posted 26/08/2007 at 15:47:06

Going for next to nothing, better than we have, He'll benefit AJ with a bit of precision in he's passing. Not just big hoof, then its a case of AJ getting their before the defender. Murphy can pass into channels, with AJ wrong footing defenders. Go get him Moyes.

danny jones
7 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:38:57

Only at Everton! looks like we will be stick with Carsley and Neville in the middle for the rest of the season

Shaka
8 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:39:58

It?s been reported on Valencia? official site. The Guardian unlimited are also reporting it. So there must be some truth behind it. What are the chances of the Yak deal collapsing? Even Moyes himself didn?t sound to confident. What do the board care?? They got their stadium move. This was just another smokescreen to get people to vote in their favour. I smell a big pay day for Bk and Cronies. We’ve been had yet again.

Simon
9 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:39:15

That’s it for me as far as all things EFC are concerned. Just can’t be arsed with the incompetence / lies that come bundled with being a fan. Was prepared to give the board benefit of doubt this summer, but not now. What a joke!!

Tony Miller
10 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:42:27

I do not think its a smokescreen just sheer incompetence. This board are not bright enougth to come up with such an elaborate plan.

Gary Walker
11 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:46:23

According to said spanish web-site, negotiations started on FRIDAY. Wasn’t this the day Moyes told us all was nearly done and dusted? Well, I suppose it was, just not for us

Barry Blackmore
12 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:43:33

let’s not get carried away who’s to say that web site in the link is reliable? it’s not on bbc website or sky sports, also as it’s in spanish how can we comment on the exact content, has someone translated it? could be they’ve failed with a bid etc ....

let’s have less knee jerk reactions, i would have thought the events of the last week would put the trivial hysteria some people spout on here into perspective.

Per Stumo
13 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:45:42

Was it blocked by the FA? Did he fail his medical? Did he have excessive wage demands?

All I could think of watching yesterdays game was that we needed someone like Manny and how I was glad he’d be ready in a week or two. Well, so much for that.. fuck me, I’m disappointed now.

stuart mitchell
14 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:48:45

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Fernandes_%28footballer_born_1986%29

James Bicknell
15 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:49:55

Barry : Its on Guardian site and on Sky Sports News [on tv not website yet]. Its also on serveral portugese sites as well as the official Valencia site...

still think its not true ?

Andy Codd
16 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:50:20

Didn't you hear Bill Kenwright is far too busy to do transfers, what with his busy tv schedule of trying to become a millionaire and his exhaustive national search for a Joseph.

Roy coyne
17 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:49:14

If true its a disgrace and to think people have voted to give the most incompetent board in our history the power to decide our future

Barry Blackmore
18 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:51:16

oh wikipedia it must be right then .... load of shite. Just been on Valencia web site, fuck all about Fernandes, someone is pulling your collective pissers.

Ian Stewart
19 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:49:30

It’s reported on the reuters website, so that’s it I guess. Words fail me.

Barry Blackmore
20 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:57:51

James: it’s not on the official valencia homepage, just checked, i think it might just be possible that the spanish media is as mischevious as the english media or anywhere in the world for that matter.

Tony Miller
21 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:57:01

Came on here to see if any GOOD news. Obviously pissed off with this so for now I am going to forget about all things Everton for a while.maybe then I can enjoy my bank holiday get pissed and kick the cat as I can’t find BK.

Se ya

Ben Brown
22 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:02:38

sickening.

Steve Hopkins
23 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:01:18

Its on the Valencia site if you view the spanish version.

Gary
24 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:03:03

Hate to do this Barry but this is on the Spanish version of the site. The English part hasn’t been updated yet. This is what it says

Valencia FC have reached an agreement this morning, subject to a medical for the signature of Portuguese International midfielder Manny for the next 6 seasons with a buy-out clause of 60m?. The midfielder, 21, is a product of Benfica and will be presented by the club in the coming days

Paul Coleman
25 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:02:54

It is on the official Valencia Site. Only Everton could manage this. What a PR disaster. They should be telling us, instead of all this rumour and speculation. FFS put us out of our misery.

Steve Hopkins
26 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:04:26

I’m so fucked off I can barely contain my anger, this has ruined my weekdend

Barry Blackmore
27 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:04:34

i’ll hold my hands up it is on spanish version, they must be behind on tranlating the stories into english, shit.

ah well one rule for utd and the RS another rule for every other schmuck ...

Dave Roberts
28 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:02:33

Barry,

Keep posting mate! I’ve got the pills lined up in front of me here and it’s only you stopping me taking them!

Dave Roberts
29 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:07:54

Wrong post, Barry, wrong possssst.....

Barry Blackmore
30 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:07:56

dave:

can i have a pill to lad?

ah well stuck with neville and carsley in centre mid all season :(

who thinks we should give arteta a go in the middle? osman on the right and pienaar/mcfadden on the left ..... gotta be worth a look at!

Simon
31 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:10:37

Let’s face it.. we’ve been taken for mugs.. again! - Fortress Sports Fund or something..

Jarvis Cocker was wrong - cu*ts are running football, not the world!

Everton are a sham.

Steve Hopkins
32 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:10:57

I know I’m not the only one who wants some clarification from the club on this one, I also know that we don’t have the right to know whats going on behind the scenes but I’d really love it if everyone hear emailed the OS asking, even demanding some information.

I’d love to see the spotty web bitch that posted the ’test data’ running to the RED phone and stuttering "Mr Kenrwight Mr Kenwright we’ve got a problem" as his email server crashes and burns before his eyes.

Oh well at least the thought makes me feel a little better

Alan Clarke
33 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:25:14

Can I be the first to start up the riquelme rumour again?

Ben Greenwood
34 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:24:31

I may be naive about this, but Valencia have not signed anyone. They have agreed a fee with Benfica.

The press have picked up that story from the Valencia website.

It is up to the player now. We don’t know what the situation is at the moment.

George, London
35 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:16:35

Trying to keep a positive spin on this happening of events(if I don’t I would have broken down and sobbed for hours)looking at the english translation of the Valencia website link on Manny. It states that Valencia have simply had their bid for Fernandes accepted and they expect him to undertake a medical tommorow(monday). They are certainly jumping the gun by stating that they expect him to sign.

I remember reading or seeing somewhere that when Everton had their initial bid accepted by Benfica, they had a period of exclusivity or grace(correct me if I am wrong) where they could tie up the deal. If true than such period has expired and Benfica wanting to gleam money from their asset have accepted a Valencia bid.
Now I don’t want to hazard a guess as to why the deal hasn’t been completed in this intervening period but assuming that the FA have not put the brakes on such deal the decision of new players should rest solely with Fernandes himself. Considering he has stated on numerous occasions his desire to play in the Premier League we should edge Valencia(even though the can offer CL football).

As for the news stories-taken from usually reliable sources(skysports, the guardian etc). They can all be traced back to that original Valencia article.

Thats me trying to keep a grip on my sanity. Sit tight and pray.

Neil Pearse
36 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:37:09

Just run a quick check on the Net, and as far as I can see all the articles (Reuters, Guardian, Sky, PA Sports etc.) are derived from the same source - the statement on the official Spanish Valencia website.

Doesn’t mean it’s not true of course, or that they are jumping the gun. Not on the BBC (yet!), so maybe we can pray a little longer. As many of you have said - it would be nice if the club would put us out of our misery one way or another.

Ben Brown
37 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:40:43

George;

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=394739

Not concrete I realise, but it sounds more and more like he’s already agreed to it. In which case, the Everton move must have completely broken down.

Neil Pearse
38 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:44:46

The Valencia press release only mentions that this is "pending medical tests". Nothing about e.g. contractual negotations with the player. Very strange if all they have done is agreed a fee with Benfica. Looks like he’s gone.

Dave Roberts
39 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:41:07

Ben, George,

I’ve put the pills away again! Positive comments only on this thread please until we know for sure. I’ve got a piss-up (an anniversary) tomorrow that I’ve been looking forward to all week and I’d rather go to it alive! There’s another thread with somebody saying that Manny was at Goodison yesterday. I’m going to have another read of that now!

Paul Coleman
40 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:51:22

Even if it was the PL blocking the deal, then surely Everton should just buy Manny’s other half.
If they couldnt afford it then just pull the plug on the Yakubu deal.
Yakubu will be an 11m flop. We seem to go for limited strikers who have got a good goalscoring record in the past. Johnston,Yakubu, Beattie...but look what happens when they stop scoring. They have nothing else about their game to make them of any value to the team. Players like Rooney can still dictate a game even when they are going through a dry patch.

George, London
41 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:44:17

Ben Brown, I do somewhat believe that Valencia have had a bid accepted. But the only way I can fathom how(if) the deal had broken down is because of FA intervention, which if the case smacks so badly of double standards(considering the Tevez and Maschearono saga’s) I can smell the already burning FA standards manuscript of the pyre. Apparently Fernandes was at the game on saturday and training with the squad last week, which seems to suggest that all was(past tense) with Everton and the player. Anyway I don’t want to theorise. Neil I wish I could put out of my misery by the club one way or another but I fear my heart wouldn’t be able to take it if(when) it transpires to be my fears confirmed.

Neil Pearse
42 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:03:41

If Manny really WAS training with us last week, and at the game yesterday (Saturday evening for God’s sakes!), something here really doesn’t make sense.

There’s surely no way he would have been at the game if he’d already agreed to go to Valencia (or even if the deal with Everton was unravelling). But if the deal was okay last night, could it really have moved so fast this morning - Valencia being able to say that he was theirs pending a medical?

I am now wondering whether he really was training with us or at the game yesterday. Anyone got any certainty about these things??

Dave Lynch
43 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:14:05

Neil.
The only thing certain with Everton are us mug punters who get kicked in the bollox time and time again mate.
If BK told me Xmass was in december i’d check me calander.

Nick Entwistle
44 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:25:33

I’ve had a good search on both BBC and the Guardian’s website, and I can’t find stories pertaining to the Manny saga.
Have they been deleted due to being utter rubbish... or am I just rubbish at this tintenet malarky?

Dave Roberts
45 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:14:51

I thought I’d put the live Spanish game on to take my mind of Manny. I turned it off! Valencia are on. AND they’re playing Villareal! What a fucking weekend.

Neil Pearse
46 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:42:34

Nick, all the stories I have seen (in about half a dozen places) are simply reports of the original Valencia statement. Still not appeared on the BBC on my recent check. But would Valencia lie / be so incompetent about this?

tom potts
47 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:53:27

after the wigan game we saw bill kenwright in knutsford services he told us both deals were done deals Yakubu and Fernandes , so utter crap yet again from Bill so disappointed typical EFC always letting the fans down, if you ask me I think its all a big PR stunt to get us to vote for the move they’ve got what they wanted nows the time to move the carrot away only need the FA to not grant us Yakubu his work permit and EFC have got out of spending any money well done the board!!!

Tony Maden
48 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:36:36

My mate nearly fell over Manny in the car park and he’s not the kinda person to make it up. Seems pretty unlikely he was there at the match while agreeing terms with Valencia unless BK asked him to turn up as a favour to make people believe we actually were in for him. Also, this 60M Euro buy out clause - surely our board would have fancied that - shows how much other teams rate him as well. If the board let this happen and Yakubu falls through as well then they are even more incompetent or duplicitous than Mr Marsh accuses them of being.

Neil Pearse
49 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:50:17

Manny in the Goodison car park on Saturday evening, and signed up for Valencia by Sunday afternoon. Something about this makes no sense at all. There must be some story behind this one! I just wish there were a happy ending... (I doubt it.)

tom potts
50 Posted 26/08/2007 at 20:53:49

Sure he didnt see Steven Pinnear they look almost the same just a bit shorter, mind you can you blame Fernandes after yesterday’s performance!!

Rob Paterson
51 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:17:05

I do not know if Manny was at the match on Saturday but if this deal was struck on Friday as is suggested I can only say that Manny was beyond any doubt in Piccolino’s on Cook Street on Friday afternoon.Saw him with my own eyes. Does that help the investigation ?

Ben Brown
52 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:12:36

I read it like this;

Fernandes has been around Goodison for quite some time, with everyone including him expecting the deal to be sorted out. For whatever reason we couldn’t sign him, be it legal, money or otherwise.

Valencia have got wind of the situation, quickly agreed terms with Benfica, given Fernandes’s agent a ring and persuaded him that Manuel may as well sign for them since the Everton deal has met an impasse. We can hope that it’s still at this stage as it still gives us a chance to convince him to give us time to finish the deal. I reckon it’s more likely that we really aren’t allowed to sign him because of the PL rules OR we would have ended up having to pay an absolute shitload. Like 20 million or something.

I agree with everyone though, the question is ’why?’. Why haven’t we just signed him?

I can’t describe how devastated I will be if we don’t get him or a different top quality centre mid before the end of the window. The opportunity is there for us to be really significantly better than the mediocre football we have played for years. And it looks like we’re going to miss the opportunity.

Stan Sheppard
53 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:24:25

If it was any other club he would be signed already, as would Yakubu.

United waited a long time on Tevez but they kept the fans informed throughout.

Its always cloak and daggers with us. So depressing.

John Connolly
54 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:35:26

Fernandes was a guest of BK at the Blackburn game yesterday and even spent an hour with BK afterwards bedore flying straight to Valencia last night. Apparently Fernandes assured BK he would sign but the player has pulled the rug from under the BK?s feet. Everton are understood to be absolutely shocked by this turnaround and didn?t see it coming! This will be the main headline in tomorrows Daily Post!

Andy Orme
55 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:35:06

I beleive that fernandes will still sign this week!
because the deal has taken so long due to the ownership problems ,valencia are taking a chance that the deal may not go through and decided to put in an offer.
yes this offer may have been accepted but if you were benfica would you wait and hope that everton will complete the deal or would you increaae your chances of a sale!
that said we do have a poor record of delivering top signings!!!
i won?t beleive he is not coming until i see it on the echo back page!!!
keep the faith!

Steve Burke
56 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:42:46

Yes unfortunately it seems to be now true. Sky text have updated the Everton page. On all accounts Fernandes has ?chosen? Valencia- 6 year deal, depending on a medical, with a 60 million buy out clause. Yes he was at the match yesterday, with the PR people/Sky saying he was ?BK?S SPECIAL GUEST?. So what has happened for him to chose Valencia from Saturday evening to Sunday morning!Obviously Bill did a job on him!

On all accounts there was interest from Valencia last week, but Manny ?said? that he wanted to play in the Premier League. Obviously our PR man, Mr Ross will be doing overtime tonight trying to spin this one. Yes there were legalities regarding the whole transfer saga- part ownership, but reading between the lines I think that Everton will use this excuse, and that they were prepared to pay 6m, but the rest on the never never! Thus they were never going to pay another 4/5 million. The player?s gretting fed,with the FA/Everton, the agent?s still saying he?s for sale, because we are the club that have the most protracted dealings witrh any players, because we don?t want to pay the money- Valencia come along-will pay the 10/12 million and wham bam Manny?s on the plane to Spain- and we have been left with egg on our face again, ?10 million ?saved?. Call me a cynic but that?s the way I look at it all- something stinks for him to be at the game last night, and then he?s on his way!

Yes there can be the argument that so if he does not want to play for us, sod him! but there is something seriously gone wrong here. Pissed off with the whole affair- Everton a ?laughing stock?.

We all know that we cannot survive Centre Mid with Neville and Cars. Jags showed potential yesterday, but we all know that we are lacking creativity in midfield, and cannot rely on Arteta. Yes hopefully we will get Yakubu, but cannot be totally confident till it?s been confirmed!

Basically we have missed out on excellent potential in Fernandes, and the whole thing stinks!

Stuart Mitchell
57 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:48:46

I hope we sign Riquelme now, need something to cheer me up!

andy orme
58 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:44:09

if what j.connolly says is true then we don’t want fernandes !
i can’t believe it myself are your sources accurate or is it more fuel for the fire!
we need facts not conjecture as i have stated he has had no medical!!
not discussed terms!!
are we again acting like only evertonians can , lets be positve!!

andy orme
59 Posted 26/08/2007 at 21:53:37

i just hope that with moyes being at the man u - spurs game today , that we aren’t going to sign jenas he is shite!!!!!

Tony Miller
60 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:03:22

Andy/
I think we as Evertonians allways fear the worst due to events over the last decade or more.

The thing is though when it does go right albeit not often enougth we do appreciate it.

david taylor
61 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:00:58

well..firstly hello all...

lets presume (and it has really really wound me up) manny isn’t coming and we DID have the 10-12million to buy him 100%.. then who are we gonna sign to dominate the centre midfield like manny could... granted we’ve got chill to come back shortly.. but we all know we have missed a dominant force for a long while (since gravesen left)... who can we now move on to?!?... i cant think of anyone who is available and as good as manny?

andy orme
62 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:18:53

Strange thing is that this story has now been pulled from sky website and guardian website, the only site featuring the news is valencia’s own! even the la liga show tonight featuring valencia has not mentioned the supposed transfer!
i am probably clutching at straws but maybe this is not as nailed on as we all believe!

andy orme
63 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:18:53

Strange thing is that this story has now been pulled from sky website and guardian website, the only site featuring the news is valencia?s own! even the la liga show tonight featuring valencia has not mentioned the supposed transfer!
i am probably clutching at straws but maybe this is not as nailed on as we all believe!

David Taylor
64 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:28:23

oh and as a side issue... manny was in newz bar last night with some of his ?team mates?... i just don?t understand whats happened....

gutted.

James Bicknell
65 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:31:03

its on he sky website andy http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11827_2687798,00.html

Joe Jennings
66 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:31:15

Just dont understand WTF has gone on here.

Always too good to be true ey.

The theories of a huge PR stunt are well and truly underway.

I’m just overwhelmed to say the least, I really thought he was in the bag. If true, surely we need to seek reinforcements.

Suggestions anyone? I dont know why but signing Johan Vogel is just not the same

David Taylor
67 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:36:11

i really dont know who we can sign that will be both available and as good as manny, there will no doubt be ’attempts’ to sign someone before the deadline but we will run out of time, and moyes will be ’happy with his squad as it is’...

huddlestone @ spurs is one..but they would never sell him...

Robert Moore
68 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:43:53

OMG iam in shock

yakubu better sign were very short at the moment, come on tim & james hurry up!! we badly need ye this month has been crazy, every few hours the news changes up one minute down the another

Joe Jennings
69 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:48:37

That Huddlestone is very overrated in my opinion. In the Euros this summer, he hardly set the world alight and just wasnt what I expected.

Someone above mentioned Danny Murphy, which is a decent shout and I know Moyes is a keen admirer. However, he is 31/32. Slow, not particularly strong.

Stephen Appiah, anyone?

Matty Dee
70 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:45:21

Valencia website now reporting they have canceled the unveiling of their new club suits (!) so they can unveil Fernandes tomorrow at 1pm after his medical at noon.
How is it that Everton fail to sign a player after two weeks of wrangling, yet Valencia can have him signed & paraded in 48hrs?

David Taylor
71 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:55:29

not as overated as phil neville, but thats another argument ;o)

appiah is a good call... wonder if veira fancies a couple of seasons back in the premiership?!...

malbranque?!.. dunno the chances of gettin him but i dont think he’s gonna play most games for spurs when they have a fully fit team... although admittedly he’s no centre mid dominator.. more a slightly taller osman...

Joe Jennings
72 Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:59:18

We would get him for around 5m me thinks. If not, may not be a midfield powerhouse but always liked Gary O’Neil at Pompey.

Good technically, strong considering his size, eye for goal.

Andy McKenzie
73 Posted 26/08/2007 at 23:08:39

it does?nt matter who we sign they will not even come close to the ability fernandes has, i am so pissed off right now and don?t even blame fernandes for this, he?s been offered the chance to play for a bigger club and we should have had this wrapped up before something like this happened, there are only two possibilities

1, the club have messed up
2, the premier league have messed up

its another farce to add to the growing list and it really pisses me off.

Nelly Blythe
74 Posted 26/08/2007 at 18:52:40

I posted Pt 1 on Thursday... many of you called me a doom-monger....I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN DIDN'T I.... I FUCKIN KNEW IT!!

Expect Yakubu's work permit application appeal to be refused on Wednesday and him heading back to Boro. They've got your vote now, they couldn't give a shit!!

THIS CLUB IS A FUCKIN JOKE!!! never happens to any other club.... A FUCKIN JOKE !!

Roy Coyne
75 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:11:50

I can not be the only one sick to death of the deceit and incompetence of Kenwright. If it's true about Manny, why have we not been told on the official site and given the reasons? We were led to believe we had got Benfica's 50% so he could not go anywhere with out our permission.

Okay... roll on Kirkby; he would not lie about that... or would he?

Roy Coyne
76 Posted 26/08/2007 at 19:11:50

I can not be the only one sick to death of the deceit and incompetence of Kenwright. If it's true about Manny, why have we not been told on the official site and given the reasons? We were led to believe we had got Benfica's 50% so he could not go anywhere with out our permission.

Okay... roll on Kirkby; he would not lie about that... or would he?

Steve Pugh
77 Posted 26/08/2007 at 23:21:57

You know its true, I don’t want to believe it but that dying feeling inside tells me its true.

This is nothing to do with BK et al. being geniuses and leading us all on. In fact I believe this is a sign of how inept the everton board are, you see I think BK did intend to sign Manny and Yak all along, he just delayed it to fit in with the vote. Manny simply got fed up and walked. Hopefully Yak has more patience.

Why not get Graveson back, he wasn’t bad from what I remember and he could hit the ground running etc. etc.

Lue Glover
78 Posted 26/08/2007 at 23:22:13

I?m stunned by this news. If he has chosen Valencia over us then good luck to him, at least he won?t be playing against us in the EPL. If this has happened because of a mess up within EFC then I might want to throttle someone. Finally, IF this was all a big con regarding the vote, well, that?s me done with everton.
I wait with anticipation to find out what?s gone on - if we ever find out the truth that is.
I was having quite a pleasant day until I read these posts. Damn damn damn. Question now is - who can fill tha creative gap that was so evident yesterday v Blackburn? Maybe DM will give Shandy another chance.

Brian Waring
79 Posted 26/08/2007 at 23:38:26

I have never known another club like us.Other clubs seem able to wrap deals up within days.With us,it’s like a fucking soap opera.In next weeks episode.Yakubu realises how much of a bullshitter Kenwright is,he has now changed his mind,and has chosen to stay at Boro.

James Bicknell
80 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:25:01

"How is it that Everton fail to sign a player after two weeks of wrangling, yet Valencia can have him signed & paraded in 48hrs?"

THIRD PARTY OWNERSHIP IS NOT A BIG ISSUE IN SPAIN.

Phil Traynor
81 Posted 27/08/2007 at 20:37:21

A statement has just appeared on evertonfc.com. We tried and tried and tried...........