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Miserable but I don't know what else
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I was in a bad mood after the game yesterday. I thought it was a pretty scrappy game that on paper we should have won. But I felt better today. I stayed away from the computer to avoid reading any more match reports and watched the MU game to distract myself.
I ended up talking to a friend about that it was a poor showing BUT we were still 2-1-1 and since Everton is very much a team that on their day can beat anyone and when not on their day can lose to ANYONE, I wasn't too concerned about who we beat and who we lost too. I also reassured my friend our quality would go up a lot as soon as the paperwork with the Yak and Manny came through. Then I got on the web...
What the hell?!?!? First off Manny should be ashamed and I can only hope their is karma in the world and maybe one day he'll learn a lesson. On top of that, we need to find a replacement. 100% need to. I don't know who, but it better not be an MU reject. If we don't get Yak... I seriously will lose my mind. If Everton doesn't explain tomorrow someone, should get fired. Someone. There's a week left; they'd better do something to cheer us up.
Joey Brown, Posted 26/08/2007 at 22:55:23
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James Bicknell
2 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:19:22
2 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:19:22
we will now sign fletcher :(
Gareth Hughes
3 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:23:14
3 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:23:14
I just laughed it off when people suggested that Everton would pretend to sign Yak and Manny as a way of swinging a yes vote for the ground move and then not sign them after the result was secured.. However, after the gut wrenching news about Manny, I really do believe anything is possible with this board. They are at best incompetent, at worst downright deceitful. A central midfield of Neville and Carsley for the next few months is too much to bear.
Tony Hawkins
4 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:46:48
4 Posted 27/08/2007 at 00:46:48
Oddly I do not know what to say...
...How can the board NOT have got Manny’s signature? It was all a foregone conclusion that simply required a rubber stamp or a further 50% stake. Wasn’t it...?
And WHY didn’t the board check whether Yakubu was eligible for a Visa? They MUST have known?
I’m not against the move to Kirby and I’m not worried about the move itself but worried about the way it’s been financed.
I’m very nervous about the club right now. We’re on a knife edge where it could all go extremely well or horribly wrong and I’m just hoping.....
...How can the board NOT have got Manny’s signature? It was all a foregone conclusion that simply required a rubber stamp or a further 50% stake. Wasn’t it...?
And WHY didn’t the board check whether Yakubu was eligible for a Visa? They MUST have known?
I’m not against the move to Kirby and I’m not worried about the move itself but worried about the way it’s been financed.
I’m very nervous about the club right now. We’re on a knife edge where it could all go extremely well or horribly wrong and I’m just hoping.....
Joe McMahon
5 Posted 27/08/2007 at 01:13:54
5 Posted 27/08/2007 at 01:13:54
To be honest I don’t know what to say, I’m gutted. Arteta off in Jan me thinks, along with lescot & Cahill. AJ will stay as he’s as shite as the others. How can we competet with a midfield with DOGS OF WAR in it, and no natural goalscorer. 4 strikers...FFS
Nick Harrison
6 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:07:25
6 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:07:25
Manuel Fernandes WILL sign for Everton.
Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:11:31
7 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:11:31
At least this time they made it seem as if they were really serious about the last minute multi million pound bids. No doubt now we will sign no one and the supposed $23 million we would have spent on these guys will disappear back into fantasyland with the $12 million we were to use for Kuyt and Owen or The $6million we would have used for Smith or Parker. Nice one BK usual bullshit smoke and mirrors and leave Moyes to pick up the pieces with a threadbare squad all the while making a PROFIT from summer dealings and REDUCING our squad size.
Paul Dalton
8 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:19:21
8 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:19:21
Not looking good Nick I have to say. Think we have all been duped by the club to give the week coming up to the vote the feel good factor. If the Yak saga ends up like the Manny one then we have all been well and truely stiched up. How a week can change the whole outlook for the season.
Jon Barry
9 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:31:06
9 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:31:06
"Manuel Fernandes WILL sign for Everton."
hmm, do i take Nick from the internets word or do i take the official Valencia website, Sky Sports and the Daily Mails word ?
think ill take Nicks :p
hmm, do i take Nick from the internets word or do i take the official Valencia website, Sky Sports and the Daily Mails word ?
think ill take Nicks :p
Dupont Koo
10 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:01:19
10 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:01:19
Joey, now that you are in Georgia, I feel for you consider you live so close to Atlanta Hawks, the NBA version of our beloved Everton (i.e. Brilliant and on verge of greatness in the 80s but now saddled with an ownership that is nothing but messy & incompetent)...Go back to the main topic. Not sure if Manny is really going to Valencia at the moment I write this. If I were an ambitious, creative midfield playmaker from a Hispanic/Latin background, I would not come to Everton! Look at the Wimbledon of 80s-style long balls we have played since the Wigan game. Other than blaming Kenwright & his legal team (how can it take so long to get the paperworks done?), make sure to have Moyes sharing some of the blames (not that I’m a Loyalist to the dishonest and deceptive BK) for not firm enough to restrict the "Incompetents" (Stubbs, Carsley, Neville, Hibbert) from playing "Hoofballs"! If I were Manny, I would think, " For Christ’ sake, why am I coming here to be frozen out constantly in the midfield with balls flying on top of my head like Inter-Continental Missiles?!" Let’s wake up lads, we drove Manny away...
Joey Brown
11 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:48:39
11 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:48:39
Good point Dupont, and yes the Hawks are frustrating, I’m lucky enough to not enjoy basketball half as much as I do football though. But you make an excellent point about Manny, and I take back part of my anger towards him, the boy wants to play and he has the ability to be one of the best. He realized he wouldn’t play in Benfica much so wanted out. Everton offered him regular football and he decided it’d be great opportunity to show his ability and play at a high level. Then he probably watched the Reading performance and the Blackburn game and was like "Oh God no, I’ll be on the pitch but I won’t PLAY football." Someone whispered in his ear about Valencia wanting him offering him playing time, and the chance to play his style of football and he jumped at the chance since he still had it. Poor us. Good for him.
Daniel Howard
12 Posted 27/08/2007 at 04:38:53
12 Posted 27/08/2007 at 04:38:53
I’ve really had enough of the bungling incompetence of the people who run this club. I wouldn’t blame Moyes if he walked out tomorrow. Maybe him sitting nr Levy at Man U wasn’t complete co-incidence. Any pretence that we are a serious outfit capable of challenging the best was swept away with the Manny news. Yes, Manny was underhand but we’ve all held onto job offers whilst waiting for another to come through. I don’t blame him. This is criminal mis-management by people whose job it is to act in the best interests of the club. I believe heads should roll for this one. It is diabolical. No doubt the club will issue some pathetic statement and invent some excuse to explain the fiasco away, but once again, its all excuses, spin and half-truths but at the bottom of it all, utter incompetence. Get out Kenwright, and take Wyness with you.
Mic Deal
13 Posted 27/08/2007 at 05:00:57
13 Posted 27/08/2007 at 05:00:57
Well thats it c ya later everton this club is a joke we will never get anywhere with people that are running it at the moment kiss goodbye top four hopes. Well be lucky not to get relagated. think it’s best to fellow another club what a pitty. cahill and arteta won’t be there for much longer bye bye.
Paul Johnson
14 Posted 27/08/2007 at 06:47:46
14 Posted 27/08/2007 at 06:47:46
You can’t blame Manny I guess Valencia are a good side and are in Europe year in year out and Spain is of course bordering Portugal. You can however blame the club for announcing that he WILL become an Everton player even though it was not certain, rumours obviously get our hopes up but thats our fault for believing them but when the club comes out and makes statements that a player is joining us it’s a real kick in the teeth when as usual they go elsewhere. All we can do is hope we do get clearance for the Yak and we get someone akin to Fernandes although I doubt anyone will be as exciting as Fernandes and ultimately we will see what we could have had when Fernandes becomes the star we know he can be.
Rick Adams
15 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:41:54
15 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:41:54
No one forced Manuel fernandes to betray everyone like this i think some of the blame has to start flowing his way if this is the sort of person he was we have just had one hell of a lucky escape
col
16 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:45:16
16 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:45:16
Can’t believe all the bile on here aimed at BK. So, we have a greedy, unproven mercenary owned by a gang of sharks getting stage fright and it’s all BK’s fault!!
£12m was always going to be £6m too much for Fernandes. Great (sometimes) with the ball at his feet but just plain lazy for the other 89 minutes. Sighs of relief all round.
£12m was always going to be £6m too much for Fernandes. Great (sometimes) with the ball at his feet but just plain lazy for the other 89 minutes. Sighs of relief all round.
James Bicknell
17 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:07:38
17 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:07:38
"sight of relief all round"
lol, what a load of shit...pretty much every everton fan iv spoke to is screwing. i dont blame it on everton really or fernandes. The FA were taking ages to making the transfer go through, in meantime Valencia spot that all is not well make a bid for him which is garaunteed to go through in time for transfer window and thus they get manny. plus the fact they are a bigger club with a better team, champions league footie, nicer city.
and everyones a mercenary these days, if you never signed a player because he was in it for the money youd never end up with anyone good. The players who are arnt mercenarys tend to be shite !!!
lol, what a load of shit...pretty much every everton fan iv spoke to is screwing. i dont blame it on everton really or fernandes. The FA were taking ages to making the transfer go through, in meantime Valencia spot that all is not well make a bid for him which is garaunteed to go through in time for transfer window and thus they get manny. plus the fact they are a bigger club with a better team, champions league footie, nicer city.
and everyones a mercenary these days, if you never signed a player because he was in it for the money youd never end up with anyone good. The players who are arnt mercenarys tend to be shite !!!
Paul Johnson
18 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:14:05
18 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:14:05
That about sums it up James, you cant balame the club or Manny but the club just should not have announced it and got our hopes up. Also to col maybe he is a bit lazy but hes a luxury player and able to win you a game with moments of skill which is something only Ourtater can do at the moment.
Jimmy Last
19 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:13:48
19 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:13:48
not sure who exactly is to blame here, but lets not kid ourselves, why does this sort of crap never seem to happen with other clubs!! all of our transfers this summer have been a joke, with a minimum of like 2 weeks per transfer, i just wish we would have been gazumped for one of the others and manny arrived.....the sad truth is that we were on the verge of having a world class midfielder on our books for once (arteta excluded) and it has been snatched away from us at the last second...we are such a joke......
Alan Clarke
20 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:33:39
20 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:33:39
All footballers are mercenaries, in fact everyone is. I have no loyalty to my job and if someone offered me more money I’d go for the higher offer - nearly everyone else would. Fernandes is not an Evertonian and has no loyalty to us so why not go for the highest offer? From past experience, Everton must surely know this by now with players.
What Kenwright should do, is fly out to Spain and offer Fernandes an improved deal and entice him back to Everton. If we want to compete in the premier league with top class players then we have to pay big money. If we take the attitude that we only want players who play for the shirt then we put out a pub team.
If this deal falls through, Fernandes, the FA, MSI have played their part but the buck stops with our board.
What Kenwright should do, is fly out to Spain and offer Fernandes an improved deal and entice him back to Everton. If we want to compete in the premier league with top class players then we have to pay big money. If we take the attitude that we only want players who play for the shirt then we put out a pub team.
If this deal falls through, Fernandes, the FA, MSI have played their part but the buck stops with our board.
Dan Button
21 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:27:29
21 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:27:29
You were asking about a replacement, Riquelme, seriously, is available for 10million??? Worth a bid if we cant get fernandes especially if we have 20 million quid to spend
paul wharton
22 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:33:05
22 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:33:05
what more do you want your going to kirkby. some people never happy
Andrew Humphrey
23 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:37:36
23 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:37:36
Just to confrim the lose of Manny http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=575314.html Uefa.com have helpfully translated what was on the valencia website. Haven’t seen anything on skysports website or the beeb, but I think its dead in the water now. Gutting. Even if he was pricey, we need quality midfielders and I can’t see anyone better for less. Koumas anyone?
stuart Duncan
24 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:20:02
24 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:20:02
As I see it:
1. Fernandes’s contract is 2 parts owned by 2 groups - Benfica and a "3rd Party".
2. The 3rd party wasn’t that keen to sell its half as it thought he would be worth a lot more in the future.
3. Benfica wanted out this week as, mentally, MF was out of there.
4. The Premier League was being very slow looking at the contract details
5. Valencia took advantage of the situation. They can buy the half that Benfica own and just that half - La Liga rules, we can’t.
So what could / should BK, KW and DM have done? Well either put their bids in early, like they did last year or not bother. Personally, I am impressed they tried to sign him.
I am also impressed by Valencia. What a great steal! I only wish we could pull one like that.
1. Fernandes’s contract is 2 parts owned by 2 groups - Benfica and a "3rd Party".
2. The 3rd party wasn’t that keen to sell its half as it thought he would be worth a lot more in the future.
3. Benfica wanted out this week as, mentally, MF was out of there.
4. The Premier League was being very slow looking at the contract details
5. Valencia took advantage of the situation. They can buy the half that Benfica own and just that half - La Liga rules, we can’t.
So what could / should BK, KW and DM have done? Well either put their bids in early, like they did last year or not bother. Personally, I am impressed they tried to sign him.
I am also impressed by Valencia. What a great steal! I only wish we could pull one like that.
Andrew Humphrey
25 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:40:52
25 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:40:52
Oh, just found the article on sky sports website. Never mind. I wonder whether he was pressured by his third party owners. This way Benfica get more money and they get to keep their stake. Certainly in everyone’s interests apart from ours!
Dave Denby
26 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:40:05
26 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:40:05
The worst thing about the whole episode for me is that reading the news didn’t suprise in the slightest. Like most I laughed at the thought that it would just be a publicity stunt to try and sway the vote. I would still question whether our board have got the brains to pull off such a stunt. Either way he’s not coming here and it just really pisses me off. It’s been said before how come pretty much every other team in the league simply call a press conference to announce a new signing yet we’ve got to make it into a soap opera. My mind goes back to Johnson sending his car to pick up Muller from Manchester airport only for him to sod off home again hours later. Yes we’ve done pretty well over the last two years with the players brought in but it’s things like this that really make me question their intelligence. Yes, i know that if Fernandes wanted to sign here he would of done but ffs can the board please just keep quiet until a deal is done?
Declan Critchley
27 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:52:05
27 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:52:05
Over the course of the silly season I didnt want us to waste our money on fernandes. But when it seemed we were set to sign him I was like a kid on christmas eve - think I’ll go off and cry...
mark-chester
28 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:00:52
28 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:00:52
The people to blame here are the dithering bastards called the FA and the greedy bastards that are the third party owners of fernandes!!
They are the ones that are destroying football, with their greed!!
There should be something done about these mega rich parasites, theyh do fuck all in reality and take all they can get at the expense of football, they are the real mercinaries!!!!
Just pissed off about the whole affair, in think we will get Yak but we desp need a class midfielder who can control the game and win 10 games a season on their own.
They are the ones that are destroying football, with their greed!!
There should be something done about these mega rich parasites, theyh do fuck all in reality and take all they can get at the expense of football, they are the real mercinaries!!!!
Just pissed off about the whole affair, in think we will get Yak but we desp need a class midfielder who can control the game and win 10 games a season on their own.
Gerry Western
29 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:05:05
29 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:05:05
Fernanades undoubtedly has talent and I’m disappointed we’ve missed out but there appears to be a view that he is the panacea for all our ills. Personally I seen him as yet another part of an overall solution. Someone who would edge us further along the path of progression. He is by no means the complete midfielder. What quite frankly pisses me off with this is that there appears to be no plan B. It is frankly an absolute disgrace given the complexities of transfers involving third parties that the club did not have a contingency. The latest stories appear to suggest we are trying to get hold the guy in the hope he will change his mind. Once again we are portrayed as totally incompetent - no plan B on stadia,team selection and now transfers.
philip mcavoy
30 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:38:56
30 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:38:56
It’s not the end of the world - when it comes down to it Valencia offered £10mil for benfica’a half of the player - we offered £12mil for the lot. So fernandes would effectively cost £20mil to valencia if they want to own him all? He’s not wort that.
Deals collapse for everyone be it man utd, chelsea. The Fa haven’t helped but it doesn’t mean it’s a conspiracy, kenwrights a fool or fernandes is a traitor.
Deals collapse for everyone be it man utd, chelsea. The Fa haven’t helped but it doesn’t mean it’s a conspiracy, kenwrights a fool or fernandes is a traitor.
Mark Creevy
31 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:40:49
31 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:40:49
Sadly, I think the silence from the official club website is deafening. They’ve not even updated the ’What the Papers Say’ news section yet.
Bill Goodall
32 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:41:47
32 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:41:47
We have been beaten by a richer club thats all, makes me wonder if MF has gone there would they possibly be not to fussed about losing Riquelme on a permenant basis
philip mcavoy
33 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:54:23
33 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:54:23
Bill Riquelme is owned by villareal nit valencia..
Plus he’s rated at £10mil and is 29. A bit pricey for a player who we’ll always make a loss on
Plus he’s rated at £10mil and is 29. A bit pricey for a player who we’ll always make a loss on
Phil Smith
34 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:50:58
34 Posted 27/08/2007 at 09:50:58
Fernandes is half owned by a person who speculates their money investing developing young talent and part owned by Benfica. Put yourselves in their position
Choice (a) an english league club who conduct themselves in an amateurish way quite obviously trying to spend as little as possible and an english league being obstructive of shared ownership deals.
Or choice(b) a renowned Spanish team offering over the odds just for 50% ownership allowing the club to profit far more and the private speculator to retain their interest in an asset that will, barring ill fortune, probably double in value in a few years. Also a spanish league with no restrictive practices towards shared ownership.
Add to this the evidence of his own eyes watching a poor team by-passing the mid-field with a starting 11 that indicates that Moyes sees players such as Lescott as just another squad player to be left on the bench whilst players that almost everybody but Moyes thought would be used to fill gaps caused by suspension or injury play from the start in all 4 games so far. How can any of you lay any blame on anyone other than the management team at Everton.
Manny has my best wishes for his future which will probably be all the brighter for not blighting it by making the mistake of signing for Everton.
Choice (a) an english league club who conduct themselves in an amateurish way quite obviously trying to spend as little as possible and an english league being obstructive of shared ownership deals.
Or choice(b) a renowned Spanish team offering over the odds just for 50% ownership allowing the club to profit far more and the private speculator to retain their interest in an asset that will, barring ill fortune, probably double in value in a few years. Also a spanish league with no restrictive practices towards shared ownership.
Add to this the evidence of his own eyes watching a poor team by-passing the mid-field with a starting 11 that indicates that Moyes sees players such as Lescott as just another squad player to be left on the bench whilst players that almost everybody but Moyes thought would be used to fill gaps caused by suspension or injury play from the start in all 4 games so far. How can any of you lay any blame on anyone other than the management team at Everton.
Manny has my best wishes for his future which will probably be all the brighter for not blighting it by making the mistake of signing for Everton.
robert carney
35 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:55:21
35 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:55:21
Total cock up comes to mind;
If this failed because of the third party ownership. It will just go to show the favourtism shown to West Ham, Liverpool and Manchester United.
Bardwick and Scudamore are the people who should at this moment be removed from our wonderful game.
They have bent over backwards for the aforementioned but now seem to think it is time to clean up the act for anyone else.
I understand Fernandes trained with us last week. Lets not forget he was here for five months last year. The blame does not seem to land at his feet for me.
We should look at the more obvious. Wyness as CEO comes to mind.
If this failed because of the third party ownership. It will just go to show the favourtism shown to West Ham, Liverpool and Manchester United.
Bardwick and Scudamore are the people who should at this moment be removed from our wonderful game.
They have bent over backwards for the aforementioned but now seem to think it is time to clean up the act for anyone else.
I understand Fernandes trained with us last week. Lets not forget he was here for five months last year. The blame does not seem to land at his feet for me.
We should look at the more obvious. Wyness as CEO comes to mind.
Tom Edwards
36 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:07:42
36 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:07:42
Once again, we have been lied to and bullshitted by Billy and Buster. Assuming he is being conned like the rest of us, I wouldn’t blame Moyes if he resigned today. I am, like my dad was, a lifelong Blue, but right now I am seriously considering my postion. No doubt, when I have calmed down, I will resume this doomed love affair, but at the moment I am seriously dissillusioned with all things Everton.
George, London
37 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:44:14
37 Posted 27/08/2007 at 10:44:14
Really dissapointed. Mainly because Fernandes is what our team really desperately needed. Philip McAvoy is right though-deals do fall through for most(all) clubs. Why did the club take two/three weeks (not) to tie this deal up-even Moyes believed he would sign in the next 24 hrs last Saturday and he is notoriously coy about what he says. Apparently, Tim Cahill knew about this on Friday. All if’s and buts.
Interestingly, I was reading an article in which Sir Alex Ferguson lamented the role of the "super" agent(in relation to the Heinze fallout). To effect he said that Agents weilded so much power over their players that these same players become almost dependent on their Agents for almost every aspects of their life. Agents dictated where players plied their trade.
I can’t help but draw parrallels with this "ordeal".Money rules the heart-on the basis of the proposed deal. Valencia paying in effect £10 million for 50% ownership whilst the agent retains his share. A 60million(euro’s) buy out clause of which if such event transpires his agent will be taking a healthy cut of. Simple accumaltion.
Like Alan Clarke mentioned, most footballers like with any other profession are mercenaries. Fernandes doesn’t/didn’t have any long standing loyalties towards us. And as Evertonians we sometimes fail to comprehend why anybody woulds crawl over broken glass to play for our beloved club.(C’mon admit it, when you single handedly skinned half the fith form team and buried your shot beyond Bill Jenkins in goal you could have given Sheedy a good run for his money).
What ever the conclusion, I guess we’ll never know the full details of this increasingly nightmarish saga.
Interestingly, I was reading an article in which Sir Alex Ferguson lamented the role of the "super" agent(in relation to the Heinze fallout). To effect he said that Agents weilded so much power over their players that these same players become almost dependent on their Agents for almost every aspects of their life. Agents dictated where players plied their trade.
I can’t help but draw parrallels with this "ordeal".Money rules the heart-on the basis of the proposed deal. Valencia paying in effect £10 million for 50% ownership whilst the agent retains his share. A 60million(euro’s) buy out clause of which if such event transpires his agent will be taking a healthy cut of. Simple accumaltion.
Like Alan Clarke mentioned, most footballers like with any other profession are mercenaries. Fernandes doesn’t/didn’t have any long standing loyalties towards us. And as Evertonians we sometimes fail to comprehend why anybody woulds crawl over broken glass to play for our beloved club.(C’mon admit it, when you single handedly skinned half the fith form team and buried your shot beyond Bill Jenkins in goal you could have given Sheedy a good run for his money).
What ever the conclusion, I guess we’ll never know the full details of this increasingly nightmarish saga.
Bill Goodall
38 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:19:51
38 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:19:51
yes realised as i was sitting eating dinner that i made a twunt of a mistake by puttin Riquelme in Valencia not Villereal
Gavin Harris
39 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:35:13
39 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:35:13
It is horrible to think that Manny is in Valencia today having talks and a medical.
Slept on it and still gutted as fuck.
Slept on it and still gutted as fuck.
mike benjamin
40 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:48:20
40 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:48:20
valencia will be presenting MF at 1pm their time as a new signing
mike benjamin
41 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:48:20
41 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:48:20
valencia will be presenting MF at 1pm their time as a new signing
Ross Trotter
42 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:50:53
42 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:50:53
Gutted.
There’s not many players we could sign now to curb this overwhelming feeling of being let down. Dunno if I feel let down by the club or the player? It’s hard to blame Fernandes but as mentioned, we probably will never know the full story.
Anyone think we’ll actually sign any players before Friday?
There’s not many players we could sign now to curb this overwhelming feeling of being let down. Dunno if I feel let down by the club or the player? It’s hard to blame Fernandes but as mentioned, we probably will never know the full story.
Anyone think we’ll actually sign any players before Friday?
James Austin
43 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:06:19
43 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:06:19
pretty confident we will sign yak...only problem is he will be useless with no decent service from the centre of midfield.
wouldn’t be suprised to see fletcher turn up unfortunately
wouldn’t be suprised to see fletcher turn up unfortunately
Gavin Harris
44 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:13:11
44 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:13:11
News conference underway anyone? Should have kicked off by now, I wanna see manny in the shirt before believing anything is dead cert.
Declan Critchley
45 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:16:37
45 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:16:37
Can’t help but feel that if the FA weren’t such wankers about third party ownership that Fernandes would have been our player before Valencia even had a chance to step in
Tony Hawkins
46 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:51:04
46 Posted 27/08/2007 at 11:51:04
Fernandez isn’t completely blameless here and neither is his agent BUT the board holds most of the responsibility.
Here’s how I see it.
1. Everton put in a low bid
2. Bid rejected
3. Everton put in a new bid £6m for 50%
4. Bid accepted.
5. 50% ownership not considered by the board and FA state rules about co-ownership and effectively rejecting the transfer
6. Board work on obtaining further 50% (may be making an offer)
7. GSA don’t want to sell
8. Valencia make a bid for Benfica’s 50%
9. Benfica accept - which they are at liberty to do
10. Manny accepts new offer because the agents GSA don’t want to sell.
From what I can see the Everton board have tried to buy a player who is essentially not available to us.
It’s a bit like the board offering £2.5m for a £5m player and we have all seen that happen!!
I love Everton but I am very disillusioned by the board. It’s almost as if they can’t do anything right (or at least very little correct).
The Pienaar, Baines and Jagielka deals were brilliant but all this is a mockery.
For a peoples club they are certainly not holding any punches!
Here’s how I see it.
1. Everton put in a low bid
2. Bid rejected
3. Everton put in a new bid £6m for 50%
4. Bid accepted.
5. 50% ownership not considered by the board and FA state rules about co-ownership and effectively rejecting the transfer
6. Board work on obtaining further 50% (may be making an offer)
7. GSA don’t want to sell
8. Valencia make a bid for Benfica’s 50%
9. Benfica accept - which they are at liberty to do
10. Manny accepts new offer because the agents GSA don’t want to sell.
From what I can see the Everton board have tried to buy a player who is essentially not available to us.
It’s a bit like the board offering £2.5m for a £5m player and we have all seen that happen!!
I love Everton but I am very disillusioned by the board. It’s almost as if they can’t do anything right (or at least very little correct).
The Pienaar, Baines and Jagielka deals were brilliant but all this is a mockery.
For a peoples club they are certainly not holding any punches!
Ross Trotter
47 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:20:19
47 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:20:19
All of that makes sense Tony and fair play to the third party for getting the best deal they could. However, what doesn’t make sense is Moyes saying he believed the transfer would be complete ’within 24 hours’. Now unless he is kept completely in the dark, surely he would never have come out and said that publicly if there was a hint of the transfer not going through.
I’d like to think that Moyes is as fuming as the rest of us about this.
I’d like to think that Moyes is as fuming as the rest of us about this.
John Holmes
48 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:24:16
48 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:24:16
If this does go through and Fernandes moves to Valencia I think 100% of the ’blame’ lies with Fernandes and/or his co-owners.
The accusations against the board seem to be:
We messed around for weeks sorting it out: This may be the case but both the Tevez and Mascherano deals took similarly protracted periods. It seemed every few days Ferguson was telling United fans Tevez was nearly signed. I see any reason why this should be classed any differently.
The board has lied and knew we could never sign him: This is a ridiculous claim with holes all over it. How did Everton know someone else would come inand gazump us? Why go to the trouble when if they wanted to appease the fans they could just spend the money on Yakubu? Breaking the transfer record is enough on it’s own without throwing in Fernandes as a sweetener. Why was he training with us if it was never really close to completion?
Everton tried to get him on the cheap: There was a buy out clause for Benfica’s share which we have fulfilled and the third-party had been touting their share for £6m all summer. We were willing to pay what was requested. If we couldn’t pay the third-party’s fee initially it was because we didn’t have the money to hand not because we were trying to wheedle out of it.
Everton should have had contracts in place to present this happening: Firstly we don’t know that they didn’t, Everton themselves have not responded to the goings-on yet. Secondly, people are acting like this was a normal transfer which has been messed up. It isn’t. In normal transfers the player has some say in where he goes. In this instance the player is simply an assett controlled by an owner. It’s like the Bosman ruling never happened. Therefore the player’s wishes are not being considered as would normally be the case allowing for gazumping to occur.
My personal view on what has happened is that the third-party has simply gone behind Everton’s back and seen an opportunity to get more money (and let’s remember that’s ALL they are in this for, they are far worse than agents who at least have a cursory concern for the player’s footballing career).
It drives me insane that those who seek to slag off Kenwright and Wyness at every turn for creating smokescreens and lying are engaging in rank hypocricy by inventing conspiracies and mistruths to hoodwink the rest of us into following their agenda. It’s EXACTLY what you are accusing the board of and you’re doing it yourselves.
The accusations against the board seem to be:
We messed around for weeks sorting it out: This may be the case but both the Tevez and Mascherano deals took similarly protracted periods. It seemed every few days Ferguson was telling United fans Tevez was nearly signed. I see any reason why this should be classed any differently.
The board has lied and knew we could never sign him: This is a ridiculous claim with holes all over it. How did Everton know someone else would come inand gazump us? Why go to the trouble when if they wanted to appease the fans they could just spend the money on Yakubu? Breaking the transfer record is enough on it’s own without throwing in Fernandes as a sweetener. Why was he training with us if it was never really close to completion?
Everton tried to get him on the cheap: There was a buy out clause for Benfica’s share which we have fulfilled and the third-party had been touting their share for £6m all summer. We were willing to pay what was requested. If we couldn’t pay the third-party’s fee initially it was because we didn’t have the money to hand not because we were trying to wheedle out of it.
Everton should have had contracts in place to present this happening: Firstly we don’t know that they didn’t, Everton themselves have not responded to the goings-on yet. Secondly, people are acting like this was a normal transfer which has been messed up. It isn’t. In normal transfers the player has some say in where he goes. In this instance the player is simply an assett controlled by an owner. It’s like the Bosman ruling never happened. Therefore the player’s wishes are not being considered as would normally be the case allowing for gazumping to occur.
My personal view on what has happened is that the third-party has simply gone behind Everton’s back and seen an opportunity to get more money (and let’s remember that’s ALL they are in this for, they are far worse than agents who at least have a cursory concern for the player’s footballing career).
It drives me insane that those who seek to slag off Kenwright and Wyness at every turn for creating smokescreens and lying are engaging in rank hypocricy by inventing conspiracies and mistruths to hoodwink the rest of us into following their agenda. It’s EXACTLY what you are accusing the board of and you’re doing it yourselves.
nick harris
49 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:34:54
49 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:34:54
of course the board are responsible !
they could have signed manny months ago. they have had months to address the lack of playmaker and a decent striker and have chosen to leave it till 3 weeks into the season and 3 days to go till transfer deadline day.its a bloody shambles.
3 transfers , vogell ,fernandes and yakubu have all been a complete balls up and have been dealt with poorly.
yet again us fans are left the laughing stock of the prem .
enough is enough , someone has to be made accountable.
as i said on the os last night , the board cant even make a transfer properly so how can we trust them to move the club to kirkby ?
a vote of confidence in kenwright is needed before any more kirkby plans are set into motion.
every season there is let down after letdown with kenwright.i have absolutly no confidence left in the board.
its no point saying "look how far we have come under kenwright " as my argument would be we could have done much better with a more competant person at the helm.
also bank holiday or not , with this bad news moyes or kenwright should have addressed the fans first thing this morning but have left us all in limbo .... again.
furious
they could have signed manny months ago. they have had months to address the lack of playmaker and a decent striker and have chosen to leave it till 3 weeks into the season and 3 days to go till transfer deadline day.its a bloody shambles.
3 transfers , vogell ,fernandes and yakubu have all been a complete balls up and have been dealt with poorly.
yet again us fans are left the laughing stock of the prem .
enough is enough , someone has to be made accountable.
as i said on the os last night , the board cant even make a transfer properly so how can we trust them to move the club to kirkby ?
a vote of confidence in kenwright is needed before any more kirkby plans are set into motion.
every season there is let down after letdown with kenwright.i have absolutly no confidence left in the board.
its no point saying "look how far we have come under kenwright " as my argument would be we could have done much better with a more competant person at the helm.
also bank holiday or not , with this bad news moyes or kenwright should have addressed the fans first thing this morning but have left us all in limbo .... again.
furious
Kieran Kinsella
50 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:18:52
50 Posted 27/08/2007 at 02:18:52
I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the "one-hour chat" between BK and Manny.
In reality it was probably a bit like the chat between the club and Gary Speed when Speed was told "you're being sold so don't come to the game." Thereafter, Kendall told the world the Speed was to be sold because he didn't show up for the game!
I can imagine BK saying to Manny "Look Pal, it worked out for us both. We raised your profile so Valencia came in with a bid and I got the city of Kirkby and Tesco's to bail me out of a financial hole. We'll blame it on the premier league and the third party thing and we'll leave Moyes to get on with things. The last time I stitched him up like this he finished 4th so lets hope for a repeat."
The only downside for BK is that word broke with 5 days left for Moyes to spend his supposed transfer kitty. Usually these things happen on deadline day (Rooney, Kilbane) so poor old Moyes has no hope in hell of coming up with a Plan B.
Joe Brennan
51 Posted 27/08/2007 at 01:43:27
51 Posted 27/08/2007 at 01:43:27
Just received this from Alan's Nan:-
Presidente Querido, ¿Usted puede recordarme - Rafa? - era el encargado pobre pasado que usted tenía. Acabo de ver que el funcionamiento pathetic de su equipo contra el "submarino amarillo" y yo conocemos exactamente al jugador que usted necesita. Su nombre es Manuel Fernandes y usted necesita solamente pagar mitad de su valor. I mismo ha probado esto con Mascherano el jugador argentino de la estrella del Copa pasado Mundial. Espero que esto pudiera ayudar con que usted los problemas con "Don Corleone Carboni" y su encargado pobre actual. Amor Y Besos, Rafa Parque Liverpool 2008 De Stanley Del Estadio De Yankee Del Franchisee Del Perro Caliente.
My Spanish isn't too good but a rough translation is:-
Dear President,
You may remember me ? Rafa? ? I was the last poor manager you had. I have just seen your team?s pathetic performance against the ?Yellow Submarine? and I know exactly the player you need. His name is Manuel Fernandes and you only need to pay half his value. I myself have proved this with Mascherano the Argentinian star player from the last Copa Mundial. I hope this might help with your problems with ?Don Corleone Carboni? and your current poor manager.
Love & Kisses,
Rafa Hot Dog Franchisee Yankee Stadium Stanley Park Liverpool 2008. Stranger things happen at sea.....
Sur Jo
52 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:47:21
52 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:47:21
So Manuel Fernandes is heading to Valencia. Well, if a player does not want to play for Everton FC (no matter how much gifted he is or how pricey he is), we just do not need that player. Let him go. Fernandes has a right to choose and he chose Valencia. So be it.
I do not see any malice either from BK or DM here. Hey, we entertained the lad for the Blackburn game. BK even had him in company for an hour or so. DM already claimed on EFC?s website that the deal is close to completion. So EFC did really move for the player. But the lad did not place EFC as his priority. Hey, better late than never; it?s good to know that we did not sign a traitor.
Dupont Koo
53 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:48:12
53 Posted 27/08/2007 at 03:48:12
With the collapse of the Fernandez deal, I saw another comment down the Mailbag that Yakubu might be denied a work permit and the move to Goodison. Does anybody in the club know what "Due Diligence" means? If both deals eventually fail (which is highly likely at the moment), we might just have been treated with the same old menu served by the good old BK Regime time & time again: Quite sure about the players not intent to join us... went through the motions and told all of us fans that they DID SOMETHING. This is becoming a sick old template used by BK, "Come on lads, I did sanction the money, just that for SOME reasons, the deals could not go through..." Enough with the CON, BK!
Robert Chanman
54 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:33:49
54 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:33:49
I'm convinced that Everton FC are the European Champions of Fools. As this year was potiently providing the most exciting level of recognition and class onfield in years, the reality is this team is foolish and continues to break thier fans' hearts again. When it comes to securing a deal or complicated work permit dramas, they are so predictable and always fail. I suggest they keep buying so called U16 wannabe champions, because thats all the seem to cling onto to compensate all their bidding rejections. Unfortanutley this club continues to get shafted or simply count chickens before they hatch.
Adam Doyle
55 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:47:27
55 Posted 27/08/2007 at 07:47:27
I absolutely LOVE the way us blues thought we were signing him, only to realize that we are, in fact, Evertonians and that the FA would allow Man U or the Kopite scum to buy third-party players, but of course Everton don't have those privileges now, do we? I think a suitable court drama would benefit us.
David Rodaway
56 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:48:56
56 Posted 27/08/2007 at 08:48:56
Now the votes has been cast and its a yes to kirkby, the two feelgood transfers hit a snag - Surely not even Everton would do that?
nick harris
57 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:01:59
57 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:01:59
it not only confirmed by valencia but also benfica now.
go to news now and type in fernandes and the link is on there.
can i just say again yes fernandes is to blame for being a turn coat but that doesnt change the fact 3 transfers have been a joke this summer and also doesnt change the fact that the club have left it too late to address our squads short comings.manny or another player should have been signed months ago !
damn the player for being a git and the club for being incompetant.
go to news now and type in fernandes and the link is on there.
can i just say again yes fernandes is to blame for being a turn coat but that doesnt change the fact 3 transfers have been a joke this summer and also doesnt change the fact that the club have left it too late to address our squads short comings.manny or another player should have been signed months ago !
damn the player for being a git and the club for being incompetant.
Ross Trotter
58 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:06:50
58 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:06:50
We might aswell stick in a bid for Ronaldinho at this rate, we’d only be 24 hours from completing a major coup
Ed Casey
59 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:53:59
59 Posted 27/08/2007 at 12:53:59
It says on the Valencia site that they’ve tied Manny up for 6 years with a 60million Euro get out clause (SIXTY MILLION EURO)!!!!!!! What have we let go of here???? Absolutely gutted is an understatement. Have to agree with a lot of the other comments here. He should have signed some sort of pre-contract agreement (the board should know everything they need to about exclusivity agreements by now) that tied him up awaiting the FA ratification. That Yak won’t sign is too much to believe - I wait with bated breath! Very sad day in all. Glad to see the players paying their respects to Rhys Jones this morning. When things like that happen it puts some perspective on things, how much does it really matter that a player has gone elsewhere when a tradgedy of this magnitude has occured. I’m sure I’m with all Everton fans in thinking about Rhys’ parents at this time!
John Holmes
60 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:12:12
60 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:12:12
Nick Harris, the Yakubu transfer has not fucked up, he simply requires a work permit which will almost certainly be granted. He didn’t fulfil the criteria for automatic granting of one and thus an appeal was required which will note he is clearly, as a regular Premiership player, not simply seeking to exploit the British welfare system and therefore award him a permit.
Incidentally, has anyone actually got confirmation that the presentation of Fernandes has occurred at Valencia? Their website is still leading with the story that was published at 10pm last night. No pictures yet despite him supposedly being presented over an hour ago...
Incidentally, has anyone actually got confirmation that the presentation of Fernandes has occurred at Valencia? Their website is still leading with the story that was published at 10pm last night. No pictures yet despite him supposedly being presented over an hour ago...
Shaka
61 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:24:30
61 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:24:30
SSN reports Valencia have confirmed the signing of Fernandes for 12.25 mill.
Allan
62 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:21:41
62 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:21:41
On the Valencia website, they dont actually say they’ve signed Manny; it just says they’ve signed an agreement to sign him, ie they have a financial agreement with Benfica the same as we do, difference would appear to be that they’re paying double what we are.
Manny might not have much of a say in this deal by the looks of things, money talks remember. Ever bought a house and been gazumped at the final hour? It happens people, nothing we can do about it and I dont think you can blame the player under those circumstances.
Manny might not have much of a say in this deal by the looks of things, money talks remember. Ever bought a house and been gazumped at the final hour? It happens people, nothing we can do about it and I dont think you can blame the player under those circumstances.
John Holmes
63 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:26:41
63 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:26:41
Sky Sports still says the same as it does last night. In fact, despite this story appearing EVERYWHERE. Nothing has been reported apart from what it says on the Valencia website which was posted last night. Everything else is just filling in the gaps. If you read the stories there is not a single fact which was not known before the Valencia story or is not drawn from Valencia’s statement.
I’m not saying it’s not true, but it certainly doesn’t look clear cut. He may certain;y end up at Valencia, but something remains deeply suspicious about this whole thing.
I’m not saying it’s not true, but it certainly doesn’t look clear cut. He may certain;y end up at Valencia, but something remains deeply suspicious about this whole thing.
Allan
64 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:29:28
64 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:29:28
Actually, having read more on other sites it doesnt look good. Looks like Valencia are paying £10m for just 50% of the player, so even though we’ve offered £12m for 100% of him, that not as good a deal. The 3rd party owners under the Valencia deal would be entitled to more money, plus money for any further sell-ons.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
Shaka
65 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:34:24
65 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:34:24
Here’s an article taken from the Daily Mail.
Manuel Fernandes chose to snub Everton and join Valencia yesterday after losing patience over negotiations between the Premiership club and his sponsors.
The Daily Mail says the Portugal Under 21 midfielder had spent the past week training on Merseyside as Everton tried to iron out an agreement with the Premier League and Fernandes’ agents, Global Sports Agency, for his permanent transfer from Benfica.
However, it is understood Fernandes was concerned a deal had not been done and flew out of Liverpool after Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Blackburn.
Valencia paid about £10million for Fernandes - who spent the second half of last season on loan at Everton - and will give him a six-year deal with a £28.5m buy-out clause.
Manuel Fernandes chose to snub Everton and join Valencia yesterday after losing patience over negotiations between the Premiership club and his sponsors.
The Daily Mail says the Portugal Under 21 midfielder had spent the past week training on Merseyside as Everton tried to iron out an agreement with the Premier League and Fernandes’ agents, Global Sports Agency, for his permanent transfer from Benfica.
However, it is understood Fernandes was concerned a deal had not been done and flew out of Liverpool after Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Blackburn.
Valencia paid about £10million for Fernandes - who spent the second half of last season on loan at Everton - and will give him a six-year deal with a £28.5m buy-out clause.
Jake Stevens
66 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:21:51
66 Posted 27/08/2007 at 13:21:51
Why the hell is everyone acting as though Yakubu is our great big hope!!!
Hes been shit since last christmas and is a lazy fuck. Hes overweight too...
Second top goalscorer in premiership for the last four seasons, bla bla bla. If he’s so marvellous why havn’t United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and the red shite ever shown any interest in him???
Middlesborough admitted that he was virtually non existant for the second half of last season yet all us Evertonians have a real hard on for him.
Get real !!!
Look at Santa Cruz. Ex Bayern, class and always was, and only a fraction of the price and we do sweet fuck all. McCarthy who we were supposed to sign for god knows how long, 23 goals and now considered Chelsea standard...
I hope he doesnt get the permit...
Hes been shit since last christmas and is a lazy fuck. Hes overweight too...
Second top goalscorer in premiership for the last four seasons, bla bla bla. If he’s so marvellous why havn’t United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and the red shite ever shown any interest in him???
Middlesborough admitted that he was virtually non existant for the second half of last season yet all us Evertonians have a real hard on for him.
Get real !!!
Look at Santa Cruz. Ex Bayern, class and always was, and only a fraction of the price and we do sweet fuck all. McCarthy who we were supposed to sign for god knows how long, 23 goals and now considered Chelsea standard...
I hope he doesnt get the permit...
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