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One noticeable characteristic of Everton is how long transfers take if the player involved is quality. Another noticeable characteristic is how quickly they can swoop for dross. To re-sign Gravesen is an act of desperation. He is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is and hardly a suitable alternative to Fernandes.
Team spirit will suffer if he tries to subdue and bully some of the younger team members as he did in the past. I hope we are not in for a season of Gravesen throw-ins, Gravesen free-kicks, Gravesen corners but I fear that we are. If his talent measured up to his ego, I could just about accept his return. Another typical Moyes signing and testimony to his apparently woeful lack of knowledge of suitable creative midfielders.
Brian Finnigan, Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:21:13
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2 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:38:36
Look, Tommy G is exactlythe kind of player we’ve missed - name one other player in the current squad that would bleed for the cause...
He took over from big Dunc in the role of the people’s player and I have no doubt he will resume that position now... He’s a good player, not a moron, so if someone else is better suited to taking free-kicks etc, I have no doubt he will let them! - at the time when he was with us before, were there any other options?!...
I for one am glad that mad-dog’s back onboard!...
Boo to the naysayers...
3 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:43:32
4 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:45:03
5 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:43:14
The last minute return of Gravesen smacks of the same desparation that got us Simon Davies not the well thought out signings named.
6 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:47:42
7 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:43:16
8 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:45:25
So badly did we miss him (and so badly did DM know we were going to miss him) that DM went and undertook a ’Panic Buy’. Mikky!
So we have that to thank Tommy for too!
9 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:48:42
10 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:50:32
Ok, so as it stands, our midfield is as follows:
Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Jagielka, Gravesen, Osman, Neville, van der Meyde, Carsley, McFadden...
I’m not losing any sleep... we’re not going to win the Premiership just yet, but we sure as hell aren’t going to finish out of the top 6...
11 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:53:12
12 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:51:36
we got gravesen on a loan, so he’s only costing us wages. how is that a bad signing?
13 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:55:34
It?s been too long since 1995.
14 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:55:12
15 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:45:15
I’m actually intrigued at how Mad Dog is going to line up in midfield, especially when all are fit. I’m hoping this will end Phil Neville’s sojourn in MF and push him to his natural fullback position, probably at the expense of Hibbert.
All is not lost and believe it or not, we aren’t the laughing stock of English football that some would have you believe. I’m looking for an upturn in our fortunes at Bolton and an increase in the number of carved openings for our attack-minded players! And after that? More of the same for the rest of the season!
16 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:57:04
He is not the answer to take us to the next level, however I think he’ll be a great squad player, who has played in Champions league teams for the last 3 years.
FFS sake, give the fella a chance. He’s not even pulled the shirt on yet and here we are slagging him off.
We’ve spent approx £20 million this window, and brought in 6 first team players.
Talk about the glass being half empty!!
17 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:06:44
He left for Madrid, was played out of position in almost every match and left for Celtic.
He scored 6 times in 18 starts in a shit league where even I would find it hard to motivate myself and I am crap.
I think he will provide passion, vision and creativity to our midfield and for free he will also give Moyes time to find a top class big money buy for January.
Come on Tommy, let’s ave it!
18 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:01:44
19 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:53:39
20 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:51:59
Of course its a desperate move. We are in a desperate situation because a greedy money-grubbing Portugese twat (and/or his agent) decided to bolt at the last minute. Of course Grav is not the replacement for Fernandes ? he's a stop-gap, which is evident from the fact we have loaned him rather than spending any of our transfer kitty on him.
When Moyes has more time (e.g. in the lead up to the January window) we may see a big name midfielder coming on to the books. But in the meantime I wholeheartedly welcome the crazy bald Dane back with open arms. He will fight tooth and nail for the blues, add a little flair and weigh in with a few goals. COYB!!!!
21 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:13:22
Graveson, Carsley and Johnson in the same team!!!!!
22 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:07:54
Dont judge Tommy on his Celtic form that league could drag anyone down.Arteta was supposed to be useless when he was at Rangers and look how he turned out.Beggars cant be choosersso lets have him as a squad player and take it from there.We need more bodies in the squad with Europe coming up.I reckon he will be buzzing when he pulls the old Blue jersey on at Goodison and it just might spark the old fire up.Lets hope so.
23 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:15:40
24 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:13:30
25 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:15:44
With Yak and Johnson up front, we need someone who can hold the ball and play the threaded pass. Neville, Jag. and Carsley are to similar (sideways or back).
This will give DM time to look for someone more permanent as there aren’t that many around. Stephen Appiah, and especially Vogel are not good enough for this role. Gravesen, I believe is better than both.I think his infectious enthusiasm added to the qualities we already have at the club will improve us even more.
26 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:23:09
27 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:30:37
I cant believe it..I agree word for word with everything you have just said...??????
28 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:39:17
29 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:28:33
The’res no denying he can be a bit of a headless chicken, but come on guys, he’s provided us with more entertainment than most of the current crop
Short term and with no fee, I wouldnt knock DM for this signing
30 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:29:49
He knows the club and I cannot remember him saying anything but good about us after he moved on( how often can we say that?).
Moyes is well aware of what he can offer us having worked with him before. He will be good to hvae in the squad and on the bench. If he grabs onto this oppertunity in what will probably be his swansong he could hopefully silence a few detractors.
A good addition although not for the future but for here and now.
I have my doubts but will allways get behind a player until he proves me wrong.
To end,
Oh Tommy Tommy-Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Graveson.
31 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:51:03
32 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:53:12
I have serious reservations over Yakubu’s signing and now past-his-best Graveson. A player who was hot and cold at his best.
This time last week were expecting an annouchment on Fernandes (Scum) signing and now we have Tommy Graveson!! What are you doing Moyes? I can’t defend when you have clearly gone mad.
My faith in Moyes is being tested to its limit.
33 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:49:55
34 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:59:55
Jeez mate, give it a rest, DM knows what he’s doing ffs, his record stands up no question. Your attitude is appaling.
35 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:01:00
36 Posted 30/08/2007 at 20:57:10
Help the walls are starting to bleed.
37 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:03:47
Got a mental picture of Graveson’s reaction to the hack you mention taking Arteta’s legs out.
It wasnt pretty but it made me laugth.
38 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:03:26
Normally Dutch is the most positive poster on Toffeeweb, his passion for Moyes is annoyingly over-the-top devotion. A real glass half full type of guy.
What’s happened Dutch? Have you lost your faith?
39 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:02:19
"Desperation leads to Gravesen". Smart quick thinking if you ask me. Find someone else who we could borrow, can pass and trap a ball, scored 6 times in his last 18 club appearances and needs zero settling in time.
"Ageing midfielder" - FFS he’s 31 and will be ooh 32 when his loan is finished.
He’s still Mad Dog, but he’s not Top Dog. He’ll have to fight to get into the team these days. More players, a bigger squad - isn’t this what Toffeeweb has been screaming for?
40 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:13:56
Keeper - missing
Left back - Pistone
Left centre half - Unsworth
Right Centre half - missing
Right back - missing
Left Midfiled - Beagrie
Centre Mid - Tommy Grav
Right Mid - Andy King ( I know he wasn’t strickly speaking a midfielder)
Upfront - Big Dunc, Dave Johnson and Jeffers
Manager - Howard Kendall
41 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:07:20
People are being too harsh on Moyesey. He obviously assumed Manny would be signing and when that fell through realised it was to late to sort out another big signing and Grav offers something he knows and can rely on (until January window?). If he plays to his form then he’s certainly good enough for our squad.
42 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:13:51
43 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:17:51
44 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:36:08
45 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:46:36
46 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:49:07
As for those slagging of Grav and the fact that he is a poor alternative to Fernandes - He hasn’t kicked a ball yet and the transfer window isn’t closed yet. I’d rather have Grav in on loan than millions spent on Nolan or Fletcher.
Give him a chance first
47 Posted 30/08/2007 at 21:59:16
Keeper - missing
Left back - Pistone
Left centre half - Unsworth
Right Centre half - Stubbs
Right back - Jakielka
Left Midfiled - Beagrie
Centre Mid - Tommy Grav
Right Mid - Andy King ( I know he wasn?t strickly speaking a midfielder)
Upfront - Big Dunc, Dave Johnson and Jeffers
Manager - Howard Kendall
Just leaves a keeper. I know Mark Ward was a midfielder but I’ve heard he is good at handling things. So can we put him between the sticks?
48 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:07:26
did Pistone leave and come back? Or did it just seem like that because of the length of his injuries?
49 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:09:27
50 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:12:59
51 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:15:43
52 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:14:11
If I was going for a good each way bet, I would put a tenner on Papa Bouba Diop holding an Everton shirt aloft tomorrow. You heard it here first!!
53 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:22:59
I have another player for your midfield who impressed in a short spell at everton, went back to portugal but super BK bought him back for £12 million...oh wait im dreaming again
54 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:23:04
Arteta is are set peice master and thats how it will stay, even tho he will be able to deliver when Arteta is not producing!
55 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:26:56
56 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:30:47
With Jags in goal that leaves right back free, so I’m going to switch Pistone to right back, put Unsy left back and bring in Howard Kendall as player manager at centre back. He was player manager and had slowed up a bit so might make a good Baresi type of sweeper.
57 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:24:16
What people dont mention is in that time the number of shite players he had along side him in the midfield. We never had a consistent and settled midfield The number of players who tried to establish themselves and be any good is very long..... Pembridge, Nyarko, Alexanderrson, Gascoigne, Linderoth, Tal, Ginola, Gemmill, Blomqvist, Stephen Hughes, Li Tie, plus full backs who played in midfield Unsworth, Watson, Naysmith etc
Gravesen was the constant member of the side, with little help and no continiuty. Yes, he was frustrating at times, but there was no doubt in 04/05 he was outstanding.
Given the timeframe we had after the Fernandes saga, the squad is stronger with Gravesen in. No outlay of transfer fee and someone who knows what the club is about.
Be good if we could add one more tomorrow but would have settled for this a month ago
58 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:38:45
Has Bear baiting season finished already ???? Dutch baiting seems to be in fashion.
Appiah will also sign tomorrow, the deity has spoken.
59 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:42:41
60 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:44:01
61 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:52:08
I have heard he is a good attacking player.
62 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:47:54
I can’t see the FA letting play on the front of a train, although if it was Liverpool, I’m sure allowances would be made.
Graveson’s signing might put Pip’s nose out a bit as he will assume the mantle of team motivator automatically. Hopefully though, Phil will now be picked at right back, which automaticqally strengthens our midfield, and back four.
Still be Appiah if Stephen signs though - all the times I’ve watched Grav play for us, only 1 in 3 was really good, and he is definitely not box to box.
63 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:53:13
64 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:50:57
Did Alan Harper go and come back? Not sure.
65 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:38:34
Put Baines at left back...it’s his second stint at Everton aswell
66 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:00:38
67 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:57:28
68 Posted 30/08/2007 at 22:12:52
Tommy is passionate, he’s frustrating, he blows hot, he blows cold. He can at his best, be the best (how else would he have got to Madrid?). Tommy is what I like to call a conductor. He is the kind of midfield general we need. Has anyone ever seen Tommy shy from the ball? Has he ever not offered a pass? I know Arteta does this, but he does not have Tommy’s size, build, or presence to seriously play in the middle and so he’s best out on the wing coming inside to influence play.
I loved Tommy from the day he signed. All those who ask what he did in the first four years either: 1) have never played football to a decent standard, 2) did not go to the games, 3) do not like football to be played beautifully.
i remember the first time we saw Tommy. Me and my mate Johno went up to Preston for what was then our annual pre-season game. Tommy was billed as the opposite of gazza. Mad dog, the big butch enforcer. He burst through one on one with the keeper and we all expected him to leather it straight past the keeper, instead he feinted and hit a delightful chip over the keeper. From that moment on I knew Tommy was special.
So why did people moan about him for 4 years? Can anyone remember our team? a typical team would have been: Gerrard and a back four of Watson, Weir, Stubbs and Unsworth. With pembridge, gemmil and Alexandersen joing Tommy in Midfield and Super Kev or Big Dunc up front with Radzinsky.
Is it any wonder he could be so frustrating. How could you pass to any of them? Alex wouldn’t bomb down the wing. Pembo, I was won round by the fella, but he really did get the jitters if he got over the halfway line. gemmil, a pass to him was like a pass to the opposition. Tommy wouldn’t hoof it to either of the big fellas and the opposition always watched Rad for the ball over the top and Rad was so slow mentally that my nan would have beaten him to it. That usually meant Tommy dithered time and time on the ball looking for killer pass. He also saw the ball so really as Unsworth and Stubbs really mortar bombed the oppostion looking for Ferguson, whether he played or not, that Tommy would get so frustrated that he would run round the pitch demanding the ball. Also if he ever lost it he would go on a mission to get it back such was his passion.
further, some say good then past it now. 31 years of age past it? Has he lost that legendary pace? oh he didn’t have any? Has he had a bad injury? No? Then he can’t have lost his touch. The only thing is he hasn’t played much. Then surely he must have plenty in the tank for an old man? Moyes will get him fit. If there’s one thing he’s good at its getting hardworkers into the best shape of their lives. Tommy is one of those.
Tommy is passionate. Did we not hear stories have how he hung a picture of big Dunc above his matle peice in spain to remind him of everton commitment and dedication. I hope it is true.Tommy is passionate and I hope that his passion allows him to kick off the dust.
Imagine Tommy taking the ball off the back four and looking to pass to Pienaar, Spuddy, Cahill, Johnson or Osman with a killer trademark reverse pass. Makes your mouth water.
Tommy’s on a free. He’s 31. he offers craft and guile. He knows how to awaken a crowd, however you feel about badge kissing, fist waving or clumsy tackles, he could always get the Glawdys to life even in the darkest of the Walter days.
The only question over Tommy was his defensive capabilities. Moyes knows all about this. The year we finished 4th was due to Moyes saying to carsley "sit" and telling Tommy to forget about defending, and so playing 4-5-1 to accomodate this. Tommy has the craft, the vision, the touch, the passion. He’s on loan, costs nowt but wages, he knows half the team. He loves the fans. How can we lose?
One last point, lets forget about the whole "mad dog" tag. And he’s an attacking midfielder, not a defensive midfielder. The mistake about that comes from Germany. Following Beckenbouer, Germany likes a sweeper in front of the back four who picks up the ball and sprays it around, "quarterback" style. The position requires no real tackling ability as the game is different to ours and whilst we have Carsleys in England, they have Matthaus in germany (did you ever see him make a tackle?). That’s the kind of role Tommy grow up playing, Once he got to behind the front one or two he found found his niche.
And that’s it. Play Tommy in the Cahill role, forgive him his defensive deficiencies and his refusal to make a simple pass and enjoy the entertainment. I have enjoyed few everton games as much since tommy left as I did when he played.
Tommy is a real Everton player, just like McKenzie and Limpar. he’s flawed, he’s frustrating, he’s an engima, but boy am I glad he’s back.
Welcome home, Tommy.
69 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:07:46
70 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:05:57
he is my favour to sign stephen appieh for 5m for turkey
he is ghana captin and is a great midier and for 5m he is a bargain
well done mooyes on yak and tommy g
up the blues!!!!!!!
71 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:11:21
You been smokin’ your surname mate ???
72 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:25:38
73 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:24:25
74 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:29:39
I say this, as I saw him a couple of years ago. He looked good aginst poor opposition. He looked poor against good opposition. He runs into blind alleys. he fouls people too much. He does not have the eye for a long pass. He is not creative. Basically, do not believe that he is JJ Okacha reborn. He would not be a bad squad player, but I wouldn’t spend more than £2 million on him. Plus he plays for Ghana alot. Ghana is a higher priority for him than his club. He’s got over 50 caps and he’s only 27.
75 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:25:22
Tommy couldn’t wait to come back to us. Fernandes told us to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
76 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:12:28
Second time around, he will not need to be trying to do everything on the pitch now that the squad is better than in Smith’s day. My other concern is that his arrival may well hold back Jagielka and Pienaar.
Some of my criticism of Moyes is linked to the fact that 70% of his purchases have been from other British Clubs and he does seem reticent to explore the foreign markets. His philosophy of better the devil you know has resulted in some poor quality football during his tenure and after 5+years he should be willing to involve more young, overseas players.
Finally, if the offer of a million is genuine, you might be surprised how positive my reaction would be.
77 Posted 30/08/2007 at 23:50:52
78 Posted 31/08/2007 at 00:23:22
I just think some thought we were getting the guy to take us single handedly into the top 4 and now think he haven’t. oh, hang on didn’t Grav do that? 40 points in half a season with him, and 20 without? If not for spuddy, i think we would have been caught.
79 Posted 31/08/2007 at 00:33:20
I bet the people who are slaggin him off are the same people who said sign Kevin Nolan.
Now that would be a step back.
80 Posted 31/08/2007 at 01:25:59
Gravesen & Mikky in the same team, all we need now is for Mikky to shave his head!
Oh and one more thing... Tony & Dutch stop messing about... this is not the Twilight Zone!!!


1 Posted 30/08/2007 at 19:40:02