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I'd just like to know how you all feel about our matches against Man U and Liverpool. Maybe its the Rooney thing or the fact that I don't live in Liverpool but for me beating the Mancs means slightly more than beating the Reds across the park. Don't get me wrong, I love when we turn over that lot next door but I've come to really hate Man U. What's the general consensus among Evertonians about both these teams?

Also, there hasn't been much said about it but does anyone know how the LFC crowd conducted themselves when Z-Cars was played at Anfield last week? Was there booing etc or did they behave well?
Neil  Styles, Dublin     Posted 04/09/2007 at 15:41:36

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Steve Claringbold
1   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:04:13

Obviously I’d love to beat Man Utd, but I would rather take a loss against Man U and beat Liverpool than the other way around.
Alan Codd
2   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:06:40

Id rather beat the liverpool any day.
and to be fair there fans behaved impeccably
Yogi Clementine
3   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:04:30

It’s because you don’t live in Liverpool and, I would suggest, might possibly be affected by living in Dublin. We hate the Mancs but would rather beat Liverpool, and would happily let the Mancs parade the treble through my front room if the only alternative was Liverpool winning any of them
Nick Entwistle
4   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:04:21

There was alot said on here, congratulating the club on their tribute and the supporters reactions to it.
To be fair though, like any set of supporters would dare to tarnish a tribute to a slain child just because of another team’s tune.
Also, as one newspaper bloke put it, not even Liverpool could bare to run out to Z-cars so played You’ll Never Walk Alone when coming from the tunnel.
Allan Hobbs
5   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:11:56

I dont think the Z cars thing the other night has anything to do with us, it was up to them and the family of the murdered boy to decide.

I dont care if we lose to Utd, I do however care even if we draw with the shite. I’d rather beat them than anyone, ever. : ))
Graham Nolan
6   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:24:26

As an evertonian born & bred in Dublin I would just like it known that I would much prefer a victory over Liverpool than a victory over anyone else.
Being from Dublin, evertonians are in the minority with the vast majority supporting either United or Liverpool.
I have little or no malice towards United, but hate the RS.
I would prefer a rubbish 1 nil victory over Liverpool rather than a beautiful 10 nil over United......anyday!!
James Smith
7   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:33:32

Man Utd don’t really concern me, in fact, I’m partial to joining forces with them in hatred and misery (see : CL finals) occasionally against our dear neighbours.
EJ
8   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:28:23

hi all .. I live in Singapore. For me, even though I’ve never been to Liverpool, I rather we get thrashed by Mancs and win by the odd goal at Anfield then the other way.

I never liked Liverpool, but never hated them that much till they got lucky and won the champions league, and BeneathUs snatched Sissoko from us, and finally, he called us a ’small team’.

ggrrrrr.. that did it.
Mike Hunt
9   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:31:24

Of course, for Merseyside ’bragging rights’ it is the pinkies. However, stuffing the mancs is the greater footballing acheivement as they are the better side. However, the School of Science is to dish out a lesson to them on 15th September on the hallowed Goodison turf....bring it on, let the Yak attack!
Marc R
10   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:32:52

Id rather we gave the scum manc twats a damn good thrashing anyday, I think most people who would rather beat LFC would be under the age of 30?
Lets hope we can do em both in the next 6 weeks...
simo
11   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:39:55

Nothing better than winning the Derby, staying in town and winding all them nobs up. Yackity yak the yak will is back
Brian Waring
12   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:40:40

Marc R,I’m 41,and would rather twat the redshite,more than Man U anyday.Funny thing is,when we play the redshite, and when Man U play them,it is probalby the only time the fans of Man U and us,become one.
karl Parsons
13   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:52:00

I passionately support TWO football teams. Everton FC and any fucker that kicks Liverpool’s arse!
Dave Lynch
14   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:49:16

Double edged sword with Man utd.
Them winning the title realy winds the reds up.
So gives us more ammo to wind them up. Give me a derby victory though any day of the week.
In all my 46 years, the sweetest moments have been when we stuff them.
Oh please a derby victory this season to listen to the excuses of the fat waiter.
I hate him more than i hated the French fool.
Allan Hobbs
15   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:54:59

Marc I’m 34 and Id rather smash the shite anyday, always has and always will be about beating them! Not fussed about Utd, in fact Im with Brian on the fact that they hate the shite as much as us so good on em!
Iain Atkinson
16   Posted 04/09/2007 at 16:32:06

I dislike both teams immensely.

I struggle to understand how any Evertonian could have no malice towards Man Utd when they were instrumental in luring Rooney away. I remember seeing a picture of Alex Ferguson and Paul Stretford laughing and joking on a golf course just before the 2004 European Championships and realising that some very underhand dealings were going on behind Everton?s back. Regardless of any internal difficulties Everton were facing at the time, Ferguson was doing his utmost to unsettle Rooney in the hopes of forcing Everton?s hand. He actually said when they bought him that it had come a year earlier than he would?ve liked and it was only when he thought Rooney might be sold to another club did he act. He wanted to get Rooney on the cheap by trying to make sure he would not sign a new contract at Everton and then buying him when he only had a year left.

I also remember being relieved that Gravesen ended up going to Real Madrid in January 2005 because there were number rumours surfacing beforehand that Ferguson was planning on taking him on a free at the end of the season. I really couldn?t have faced another defection so close to the Rooney thing.

Ferguson and the Utd board have tried their best to screw us over massively over the past few years and this is where most of my animosity towards them has stemmed from.

I know some of our other players have defected to Liverpool in recent seasons as well but the circumstances of the Rooney transfer just seem more deceitful to me which is why I probably dislike Utd more.

Don?t get me wrong, I still share everyone else?s dislike for the RS and look forward to us beating both teams this year (home and away)!!!!
Allan Hobbs
17   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:03:48

Rooney was always going to leave, at least we got good money for him Iain. One player is never bigger than the club and look at us since, doing better without him eh!

I’ve put Rooney well out of my mind, and I still cheer him on in an England shirt.
Brian Waring
18   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:05:46

Iain,don’t get me wrong mate,I fucking despise ManU (even though my other half is a Man U fan)and apart from the redshite, I want every one else to twat them.Also,I don’t think all the blame rests with ManU and agents,in the Rooney saga.think we played our part in him going.
Stig Meacham
19   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:02:43

As is the case with many on this board, I come to the Club from a foreign country. I can’t honestly say that the city rivalry was bred into me.

What I can say however, is that in all this time paying attention from a distance, I have come to utterly loath the RS. It’s not down to some manufactured, ’I wanna relate and participate, too!’ mindset, either.

It’s down to the way that club conducts itself on and off the pitch, from the owners down thru the ball boys. Spoilt, entitled, crybabies. Every decision goes their way, be it an FA ruling or a penalty. I can’t imagine the agony it must be for you local Blues to watch the smug prats parade all thru the city after they ’win’ some cup or other.

So it’s a victory over the Sh*te for me. I don’t like the concept of a big four, and was very upset about Rooney-gate (tho I’m not anymore), but give me a 3-0 like last time and I’m made up for the month!
Kevin Sparke
20   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:19:42

Iain Atkinson you said:

’I struggle to understand how any Evertonian could have no malice towards Man Utd when they were instrumental in luring Rooney away.’

The truth is that Everton Football Club personified by Bill Kenwright were desperate to offload Rooney. It just happened to be Manchester United who had a prerequisite wad of cash.

If Chelsea would have bid £30 million he’d have gone there; if Liverpool would have had £30 million and 50p he’d have gone there...

Kenwright needed the money.., Rooney was sold to get Everton FC out of the financial shit... end of.
Allan Hobbs
21   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:28:10

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Mike Mulhall
22   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:31:14

what a pointless submission!
Allan Hobbs
23   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:32:02

Not as pointless as yours unless you say which one you’re referring to Mike!
murf
24   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:32:46

I’m 48 and have supported Everton since 1968 and the only time I get sick with nerves is Derby day! I can live with Utd beating us but I hate the RS with a passion when it comes to matches against them.
A derby win every time for me!
I guess its a monday morning at school or work thing - they were hell in the seventies and the RS, no matter how they call the mancs & chelskis, were the most insufferable dicks when they won! I would support the combined might of the Waffen SS, KGB & Beelzebubs legions against that shower of shite!
Clive f#cking Thomas didnt help either!
Murf
Iain Atkinson
25   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:32:27

Kevin Sparke ? perhaps my point wasn?t clear??Ferguson and Stretford laughing and joking on a bloody golf course before Euro 2004!!! Maybe I?m just a cynic but I don?t think they were discussing Ferguson?s swing.

I?m sure there was an element of relief from the bank manager when Rooney was sold but the point I was making is that I don?t like it when our players our ?tapped up? by another club, hence why I want us to stuff them even more.

Anyway, we?re getting a bit off track here. Rooney?s gone and we?re on the ascendancy again. Onwards and upwards I say!
Tony Marsh
26   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:51:46

Well this is one problem you wont need to ponder over once we move to Kirkby.As all the Kopites I come across these days love nothing better than to rub salt in the wounds with comments like />Your not our Derby game any more Tranmere are the nearest rivals for us.Or Everton dont matter to us your not from our city.So I reckon you start hating the Mancs<>more than the Reds of Anfield.They just dont care any more and who can blame them.Oh by the way this is part of what the yes vote has done like it or not.Then again you dont care what te RS say do you??????
Eric Holland
27   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:19:02

I would rather beat the R shite with a poxy rebound of the goalies arse hit the post hit the bar , then not cross the line but goal given. They would be moaning for years, spicky bastards. COYB.
alan cox
28   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:55:31

the reserves any day.I love the mancs ,arse and chelski as they stop the shite from winning the league ,this year i am worried though!
McKinney
29   Posted 04/09/2007 at 17:56:16

Please drop the Rooney argument.

The reason Rooney was always going to leave our club was due to the fact that he was too good. As much as it pains me to say it, the way he burst onto the scene, straight into the England squad and playing the way he does. We were just not an attractive enough prospect for a player as good as him. At nearly £30m there aren’t many clubs outside the top 4 that would have turned that down, whether they were desperate to offload or not. Hopefully we are now becomming a team that players like him would want to stay at.

On the Scum Utd vs RS debate, it’s gotta be beating the RS that wins every time. I read further up that somebody said that the Scum would be a bigger footballing scalp, well maybe in previous seasons, but the way this one’s started I’m not so sure. It pains me to say it, but it looks like the RS have finally got a team that can challenge for the title. God I hope they don’t win it! It’s bad enough putting up with the European Cup crap, never mind if they win their first Premiership title. It doesn’t bear thinking about!

COYB
chris masey
30   Posted 04/09/2007 at 18:03:53

I thinks its unanimous. Lets put it this way, do I look out for Man U’s score to gain extra satisfaction if they lose, no. Do I look for Liverpools, YES. If Everton win and Liverpool lose, it is the perfect weekend. Even more so if we are the ones that cause defeat. On the other hand, I would trade rooney braking his leg and ending his career, for a one-off loss against Liverpool. Am I allowed to say that?? Sorry, still bitter and very twisted I suppose..
Mike Kennedy
31   Posted 04/09/2007 at 18:02:35

I hate Liverpool and have done for 40 years. I do not have enough hate in me to spare it on any other team
Paul Cook
32   Posted 04/09/2007 at 18:21:52

You bunch of miserable sods! I love our Red friends across the park. What have they ever done to us? Ok, apart from getting us kicked out of Europe in 1985, the Clive Thomas incident, being called a "small team" by their nonce look-a-like manager, have millions of glory seeking bandwagon jumpers, the up its own arse, sanctimonious Kop and being supported by the Tory loving cunts Jimmy Tarbrush, Cilla Bitch Black and Ken Git Dodd.
We should respect them and love! How dare we insult these fine human beings.

P.S. Paul Stretford is lovely guy and I for one hope he doesn’t die of a very painful cancer of the arse!
Peter Singer
33   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:08:54

General consensus among Evertonians, isn’t that a contradiction in terms?

Anyway, I’d also take a win against Liverpool and a defeat from the Mancs over the other way around.
scott sinclair
34   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:06:53

of course we should hate lfc more no one remember hysel we would of been kings of europe made millions and probably would of done better in the ninties
Allan Hobbs
35   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:18:28

Intelligent input King, thanks for your insight.
Paul Cook
36   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:20:26

To be fair Alan, King’s input was a well thought out, deep and meaningful response to whatever you had done or said. Given how articulately he uses the English language he must be a Kopite
Allan Hobbs
37   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:27:29

I’d rather stear clear Paul, I know when I’ve met my match. :)
Kevin Sparke
38   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:44:24

Iain,

Rooney wasn’t tapped up... he was touted.

Things were spinned to make things look otherwise.

So... the deal that ’saved’ EFC was spun to suggest that a greedy bastard left to be a manc... 35,000 Blues boo Rooney and Kernwright rubs his hands...

The Rooney deal was one very big confidence trick

... not for sale for ’50 million poubd my arse’
Dave Lynch
39   Posted 04/09/2007 at 19:54:05

Know what lads !
I’m going to make a new years resolution to get up 1/2 hour earlier. So i can hate Liverpool longer.
Steve Claringbold
40   Posted 04/09/2007 at 20:12:22

King,

If you are going to post something like that at least do so with your full name or real name and don’t be such a coward about it.
Matt Willey
41   Posted 04/09/2007 at 21:39:58

Kopites = twats ... its official and the few "smart" ones amongst them actually agree;
http://www.theroadend.co.uk/twat.php



Chris Massey sums it up for me; "do I look out for Man U?s score to gain extra satisfaction if they lose, no. Do I look for Liverpools, YES. If Everton win and Liverpool lose, it is the perfect weekend. Even more so if we are the ones that cause defeat"
Roy coyne
42   Posted 04/09/2007 at 22:17:09

Kevin Sparke mate you must be wrong if what you say is true then Mr Kenwright is a liar,as for the shite or united debate I only hate three teams most of all the Shite because they rewrite history to suite themselves,second Utd whent there in 63 as teenager we got beat and Igot beaten finally Leeds dirty bastards under Revie
Robert Carney
43   Posted 04/09/2007 at 22:50:07

Have?nt got time to read all the comments above. The shite will always come first for me.

We do owe the Mancs a thrashing though.
Howard comes to mind just recently.
Also who remembers the the fun we had when we put five past them all them years ago.
Keith Harrison
44   Posted 04/09/2007 at 23:36:06

I’m 48 and have both nearly equally - the RS just gaining over the Mancs. Much rather beat the RS though.

I actually agree with Kevin Sparke on the Rooney scenario. Selling him probably meant the club could pay off a banking covenant or similar which in essence saved the club.

Kenwright got his mate Freddy Shepherd to send a joke fax with Newcastles bid of 20 mill on it just to make Manure up the ante.

And it worked.

By the way Allan, how’s your Nan, and your creeping towards glib again mate.
Keith Harrison
45   Posted 04/09/2007 at 23:46:19

I meant hate, not have.

Sorry.
Gary Sedgwick
46   Posted 05/09/2007 at 02:54:27

Also, there hasn’t been much said about it but does anyone know how the LFC crowd conducted themselves when Z-Cars was played at Anfield last week? Was there booing etc or did they behave well?

Neil, your last question appears to have been overlooked since your original post. Perhaps you should have posted it separately?

I too have been interested in the "opposition’s" response. Only Alan Codd, Nick Entwistle and Allan Hobbs posted any reference to it within this posting.

I viewed it within the LFC website. This is, so far, the only site I have been able to see it for myself. Yes, it IS slanted towards the other half of Merseyside but it does show a tremendous unity within the community. Watch Crouch and see how he is the first LFC player to make any move that shows support. After watching it, even with its slant, tell me it is not a moving tribute that should be seen by all of us "Evertonions" with a link somewhere.

Apologies to the TW staff for the link, it needs to be viewed by us "Evertonians."

Link:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156827070829-1346.htm

Select the best option for your viewing and watch - it is truly a moving tribute - even it does come from a LFC site. This is not a time to discuss RS et al, it is a time to unite.

Thank you for a chance to respond

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