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Spotted in Building - the nation's Favourite Building Magazine, dated 7 September 2007 under Business Leads:
Pre-Planning - Liverpool, Merseyside - New Football stadium, conferencing facilities and Tesco superstore. Tentative. Client: Tesco Stores Ltd with contact details.
What's "tentative"? Any anwers?
David Perrin, Posted 11/09/2007 at 11:59:40
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Michael Kenrick
Perhaps it means "not a done deal". Perhaps the parties involved have not yet put any firm plans together... Perhaps the project doesn't even have planning permission. What did the ballot say? "... and continue discussions regarding a possible move to Kirkby". Yes, I'd say "tentative" sounds about right.
Glen Strachan
1 Posted 11/09/2007 at 14:55:53
1 Posted 11/09/2007 at 14:55:53
The ?Everton to Kirby? plan is miles away from being ?a done deal?.
A hell of a lot can and probably will happen in the coming months and word is that the Cornflake Boys across the park don?t like the figures that they are seeing or indeed the way that LFC is being run.
They need to generate more income and with that in mind a ?shared stadium? deal could be very much on the cards with the present Everton regime or even more likely with the club?s next owner(s).
Negotiations for sales are going on at five or six Premier clubs at present with Sir Phillip Green looming large in the mix.
This man has been very good to Everton and its owner in the past although comments on this site about him being on the point of buying Everton himself seem well wide of the mark.
Sir Phillip , however , will be an important facilitator in setting up any sale of Everton.
My understanding is that the club (like many others) is for sale at the right price but a complication in our case is that our present owner (like Doug Ellis tried for at Villa) wants to retain some sort of position at the club even after his sale is completed.
There is a lot of money slopping around out there and some very big market players looking to buy English Premier Football Clubs.
I suspect Kirby will emerge as the eventual ?Plan B? with shared stadium very much back on the agenda.
Interesting times for the nation of Evertonia !
A hell of a lot can and probably will happen in the coming months and word is that the Cornflake Boys across the park don?t like the figures that they are seeing or indeed the way that LFC is being run.
They need to generate more income and with that in mind a ?shared stadium? deal could be very much on the cards with the present Everton regime or even more likely with the club?s next owner(s).
Negotiations for sales are going on at five or six Premier clubs at present with Sir Phillip Green looming large in the mix.
This man has been very good to Everton and its owner in the past although comments on this site about him being on the point of buying Everton himself seem well wide of the mark.
Sir Phillip , however , will be an important facilitator in setting up any sale of Everton.
My understanding is that the club (like many others) is for sale at the right price but a complication in our case is that our present owner (like Doug Ellis tried for at Villa) wants to retain some sort of position at the club even after his sale is completed.
There is a lot of money slopping around out there and some very big market players looking to buy English Premier Football Clubs.
I suspect Kirby will emerge as the eventual ?Plan B? with shared stadium very much back on the agenda.
Interesting times for the nation of Evertonia !
Stu Foster
2 Posted 11/09/2007 at 15:46:25
2 Posted 11/09/2007 at 15:46:25
EFC are currently negotiating a new shirt deal, and are trying to bundle this in with the naming rights for the ’new’ stadium - which they say will be ready by 2009.
The powers that be are certainly confident that this is going ahead!
The powers that be are certainly confident that this is going ahead!
Gerard Madden
3 Posted 11/09/2007 at 16:05:20
3 Posted 11/09/2007 at 16:05:20
Definition of tentative:
Not fully worked out, concluded, or agreed on; provisional: tentative plans.
Not fully worked out, concluded, or agreed on; provisional: tentative plans.
Dave Bennett
4 Posted 11/09/2007 at 16:02:35
4 Posted 11/09/2007 at 16:02:35
Glen:
haha...your having a laugh!! Theres no way a shared stadium will go ahead. Existing or new owners! Where did the ?word? generate from?
haha...your having a laugh!! Theres no way a shared stadium will go ahead. Existing or new owners! Where did the ?word? generate from?
Alan Rodgers
5 Posted 11/09/2007 at 17:21:40
5 Posted 11/09/2007 at 17:21:40
Glen ,you’re probably having a laugh but I for one would jump at the chance of sharing the new stadium in Stanley Park .In fact I would rather share Anfield than got o Kirkby.
Bobby Wallow
6 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:03:29
6 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:03:29
I would agree with you there Alan peaceful protest outside the players lounge after the manure game by KEIOC IF YOU VOTED NO THEN GET AROUND THERE AFTER THE GAME AND SUPPORT THE LADS IN OUR FIGHT TO STAY IN CITY WERE WE BELONG
nick dillon
7 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:12:08
7 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:12:08
I voted yes sorry i did so much crap and untrue stories with figures that dont add up so yes i will be there to support you lads and once again sorry for voteing yes
Dave Roberts
8 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:29:06
8 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:29:06
bobby wallow,
’get around there (the players lounge) after the game and support the lads in our fight to stay in the city....’.
Will you pricks stop at nothing in your determination not to accept that you lost the vote? Carry on your campaigning all you like you selfish little b****** but don’t try to drag the team down into the mire with you.
’get around there (the players lounge) after the game and support the lads in our fight to stay in the city....’.
Will you pricks stop at nothing in your determination not to accept that you lost the vote? Carry on your campaigning all you like you selfish little b****** but don’t try to drag the team down into the mire with you.
Dave Roberts
9 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:38:13
9 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:38:13
nick dillon,
Your mother will be proud of you mate, you cringing little turd!Give me an honest to goodness no voter any day!
Your mother will be proud of you mate, you cringing little turd!Give me an honest to goodness no voter any day!
Gerard Madden
10 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:47:16
10 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:47:16
Dave Roberts - I wouldn’t get too alarmed about any such ’protest’, it will be small going by the small gatherings that KEIOC muster when elsewhere. A lot may depend on the result actually, a win for us and you’ll be lucky to see more than a few dozen, a defeat and there’ll be double the number (though still small).
David Barks
11 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:53:42
11 Posted 11/09/2007 at 19:53:42
I don’t know where that stadium share idea has popped out from again, and I have been completely against it in the past. However, currently I would take it. There would have to be arrangements made to not have any bias leaning one way or another regarding the design, but why couldn’t we have the same arrangement that the Milan’s have. That said, it will never happen, although it would be the best financial arrangement for both clubs.
John Doolan
12 Posted 11/09/2007 at 21:33:00
12 Posted 11/09/2007 at 21:33:00
Protest all you like but until someone comes up with the money then my Yes vote stands. The no voters seem to belive that if they wish hard enough the money will appear. The reason the majority voted Yes is that without the money a city site is just so much vacant land
Once again - show me the money
Once again - show me the money
Dave Roberts
13 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:06:46
13 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:06:46
John Doolan,
Spot on!
Spot on!
Dave Roberts
14 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:10:24
14 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:10:24
Gerard,
Thanks for the reassurance. I hope you are right. I just will not accept that the players should be subjected to this dispute. I appreciate that some of them were encouraged to make comments in tacit support of a move to Kirkby but this was by their employers ffs! I cannot remember any of them saying they wanted anything more than what was best for the club which is what we all should want. All they want to do is play football.... and that is all that we want them to do...surely?
Thanks for the reassurance. I hope you are right. I just will not accept that the players should be subjected to this dispute. I appreciate that some of them were encouraged to make comments in tacit support of a move to Kirkby but this was by their employers ffs! I cannot remember any of them saying they wanted anything more than what was best for the club which is what we all should want. All they want to do is play football.... and that is all that we want them to do...surely?
Roy Coyne
15 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:34:04
15 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:34:04
Dave when I said the same as you when Kenwright used them as properganda I dont recall you agreeing.and although I accept the fact we as NO voters lost the ballot if some people wish to protest its their prerogative as far as I know we are still living in a free society and IF I guy regrets the way he voted be it yes or no there is no need to be abusive at least he could be bothered to vote unlike some others
Bee eater
16 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:42:07
16 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:42:07
I don’t think Kirkby will happen.
The "yes" voters may have a point in asking the "no" lobby where the money for a site in the city is going to come from ... but I’ll be asking them the same question in a years time about Kirkby. Stadiums just dont get built for the paltry amounts that the club and Tesco are quoting... unless it becomes a smaller project (just wait til the revised "40000 capacity, with possibility of expanding to 50000" stuff comes out)
The fact is that this is anything but a done deal (and Everton fans ARE STILL debating the move! like it or not) and therefore the fight must continue to either find a better location, preferably in the city, or at the very least to improve on the current half-baked plans.
The "yes" voters may have a point in asking the "no" lobby where the money for a site in the city is going to come from ... but I’ll be asking them the same question in a years time about Kirkby. Stadiums just dont get built for the paltry amounts that the club and Tesco are quoting... unless it becomes a smaller project (just wait til the revised "40000 capacity, with possibility of expanding to 50000" stuff comes out)
The fact is that this is anything but a done deal (and Everton fans ARE STILL debating the move! like it or not) and therefore the fight must continue to either find a better location, preferably in the city, or at the very least to improve on the current half-baked plans.
Rogan Kershaw
17 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:51:50
17 Posted 11/09/2007 at 22:51:50
I voted No I could not betray my heritage my father and grandad brought me up to be a blue now I bring my grand kids to see the lads.I wrote to TESCO BILL before the vote to offer this suggestion...open the ground up one end for yes one end for no with whoever he wanted to oversee the count....thats right no response
Rowing Blue
18 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:09:13
18 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:09:13
Don’t get too excited about the initial tentative email. The plans about the infrastructure may be tentative but they are well on the way. The issues still remain about traffic routes, new roads etc. Therefore tentative but advanced. Sorry about throwing a dampener on this. I voted no by the way but democracy, of sorts, er..sorts of rules.
Gerard Madden
19 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:40:54
19 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:40:54
Bee eater - ?Everton fans ARE STILL debating the move! like it or not?
Of course fans are still debating it, it would be strange if the debate had finished. Where I disagree with you though is the implication that the vast majority of fans are still debating it to any great extent beyond the net nerds, look on any forum and those ?debating? it are the same tiny number of obsessives (including me!) with 95%+ talking about other matters. Look at the turnout for the KEIOC meeting at the weekend - less than a couple of hundred! A drop in the ocean compared to the size of the fanbase. It?s a big mistake to assume the quarter of blues that voted ?no? are all ?battlers to the bitter end? as I know a few ?no?s myself who have moved on from the vote now with the attitude of ?It?s time to move on?, there is however a small group who will battle on regardless, what I find interesting is what the protesters will come up with next when they realise a small ?peaceful? protest (as planned this weekend) doesn?t shake the earth's foundations, what is there next to do after a ?peaceful? protest? Hmmm.
Of course fans are still debating it, it would be strange if the debate had finished. Where I disagree with you though is the implication that the vast majority of fans are still debating it to any great extent beyond the net nerds, look on any forum and those ?debating? it are the same tiny number of obsessives (including me!) with 95%+ talking about other matters. Look at the turnout for the KEIOC meeting at the weekend - less than a couple of hundred! A drop in the ocean compared to the size of the fanbase. It?s a big mistake to assume the quarter of blues that voted ?no? are all ?battlers to the bitter end? as I know a few ?no?s myself who have moved on from the vote now with the attitude of ?It?s time to move on?, there is however a small group who will battle on regardless, what I find interesting is what the protesters will come up with next when they realise a small ?peaceful? protest (as planned this weekend) doesn?t shake the earth's foundations, what is there next to do after a ?peaceful? protest? Hmmm.
Harry Charles
20 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:30:41
20 Posted 11/09/2007 at 23:30:41
I think both Everton and liverpool are making massive mistakes, leaving there grounds, because watching football is changing, they watch it on the tele now, with their Sky season tickets. the kind of money that liverpool are borrowing off the yanks will kill them, and Everton dont wont to lose there massive local fanbase by going out of town, that may well kill them,
Rebuild goodison slowly, say 50-55,000 that will be more than plenty, and keep the local support of the biggest local walking fan base in the country, Kirby will kill them. or anywhere else for that matter. BILL HAVE YOU LOST YOUR WAY, KIETH WHYNESS AND LEAHY WILL BE SOON GONE, EVERTON ARE FOREVER. [THE PEOPLES CLUB] IS WERE YOU HAVE IT. UP ON THE STANDS AT GOODISON
Bert Trautmann
21 Posted 12/09/2007 at 01:51:50
21 Posted 12/09/2007 at 01:51:50
?Kirkby will kill everton?... ?betray my heritage?
Mercy! some whoppers posting here!
A new stadium with steep stands, no pillers in the way, paid for by a multinational company. is it possible the working class want to stay and the middle class want to move?
Mercy! some whoppers posting here!
A new stadium with steep stands, no pillers in the way, paid for by a multinational company. is it possible the working class want to stay and the middle class want to move?
Gary Kraskacz
22 Posted 12/09/2007 at 02:06:41
22 Posted 12/09/2007 at 02:06:41
Can someone answer me this question. I get the feeling that not many of us evertonians want the new stadium. So where did all the people that voted yes come from?
I am so against Kirkby, and it feels more forced than anything. Kirkby dont want it. Most fans dont want it, and the only people that are licking their chops at the prospect are the stakeholders of LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
Scenario: 2 businesses in a city. 50/50 share of custom. One business leaves the city... what happens???... we could all find out the hard way if Kirkby goes ahead. Generations of Evertonians will be lost to the darkside if this goes through because who will want to be associated with an Everton that's not inside the city boundaries.
I am so against Kirkby, and it feels more forced than anything. Kirkby dont want it. Most fans dont want it, and the only people that are licking their chops at the prospect are the stakeholders of LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
Scenario: 2 businesses in a city. 50/50 share of custom. One business leaves the city... what happens???... we could all find out the hard way if Kirkby goes ahead. Generations of Evertonians will be lost to the darkside if this goes through because who will want to be associated with an Everton that's not inside the city boundaries.
David Barks
23 Posted 12/09/2007 at 03:05:39
23 Posted 12/09/2007 at 03:05:39
Gary,
the people that post on toffeeweb hardly constitute a sizeable portion of Everton’s fan base. You call Kirkby forced, even though the club did the unprecedented and gave the fans the vote, hence the fans chose. You say most fans don’t want it, but the vote was just held and 60% of those voting voted for it.
As for moving outside the city boundaries, Everton have done it before and we’re still standing. Everton haven’t been playing in Everton, but we’re still called Everton. Why should a move 4 miles up the road suddenly change all that?
the people that post on toffeeweb hardly constitute a sizeable portion of Everton’s fan base. You call Kirkby forced, even though the club did the unprecedented and gave the fans the vote, hence the fans chose. You say most fans don’t want it, but the vote was just held and 60% of those voting voted for it.
As for moving outside the city boundaries, Everton have done it before and we’re still standing. Everton haven’t been playing in Everton, but we’re still called Everton. Why should a move 4 miles up the road suddenly change all that?
Lee Spargo
24 Posted 12/09/2007 at 12:23:07
24 Posted 12/09/2007 at 12:23:07
I see that the magazine quote infers that Kirkby is a part of Liverpool......................
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