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I oddly care surprisingly little about tonight's performance. Towards the end of the first half it just turned into one of those games where we were so bad it took on an almost surreal quality. Barring a twenty minute show of interest from Anichebe, and a goalkeeper who did nothing wrong, there was basically nothing redeemable in that performance.
I'm not even sure, given the absence of Arteta, Gravesen and Pienaar through injury, what alternative team I'd have selected. With the exception of Jagielka, who must be sitting on the bench wondering what exactly he's let himself in for when he can't displace Neville from midfield or Hibbert from right back.
We're not a bad team. We don't play nearly as bad football all the time as people suggest (though we revert to it too easily when things aren't going well), and in general I feel reasonably positive about us doing OK this season. But good god we were awful tonight.
Robin Cannon, Posted 21/09/2007 at 02:40:21
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Dutch Schaffaer
2 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:13:32
2 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:13:32
The thing is if Johnson had put those penalties away Everton would have won 3-1 and everything would have felt alot better.
Sadly Johnson is piss-poor and couldn’t score a goal if keepers were banned.
I know people will say he’s out of form and his confidence is low but look at James Beattie, even at his lowest you could always count on him to swagger up to the spot and put the penalty away.
Sadly Johnson is piss-poor and couldn’t score a goal if keepers were banned.
I know people will say he’s out of form and his confidence is low but look at James Beattie, even at his lowest you could always count on him to swagger up to the spot and put the penalty away.
Dave Jeanrenaud
3 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:20:32
3 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:20:32
Dutch,
So Johnson is piss-poor is he?? Is this based upon the fact that he missed two penalties or his general game?
What i am seeing is a bloke giving every effort in the Everton cause week in week out without any decent service to feed upon. Any forward in world football would struggle playing behind that midfield.
Kick a man whilst he is down why don’t you!
You will be chanting his name again in a few weeks you hypocrite.
So Johnson is piss-poor is he?? Is this based upon the fact that he missed two penalties or his general game?
What i am seeing is a bloke giving every effort in the Everton cause week in week out without any decent service to feed upon. Any forward in world football would struggle playing behind that midfield.
Kick a man whilst he is down why don’t you!
You will be chanting his name again in a few weeks you hypocrite.
Anthony Newell
4 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:33:53
4 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:33:53
When I heard numb-nuts Moyes on 5 live this morning anger just welled up inside of me and I found myself saying aloud: "Just go"
I think were starting to see now what happened under Walter Smith. The morale of players and confidence is just suffering because of barmy tactics and ineffective football. Expect things to get worse before they get better
I think were starting to see now what happened under Walter Smith. The morale of players and confidence is just suffering because of barmy tactics and ineffective football. Expect things to get worse before they get better
Anthony Newell
5 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:37:39
5 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:37:39
Absolutely spot on Mikhail
frank
6 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:54:11
6 Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:54:11
Dave Jeanrenaud. Any forward in the world would struggle playing behind any mid-field. Perhaps he should try playing IN FRONT OF the mid-field.
I actually didn’t think we were that bad last night apart from too many long punts from the half-way line. Defensively we were sound (bar the one obvious exception), we just need to be more patient in possesion. I think the expectation was that we were going to stroll through to 6-0 win and that rubbed off on the players causing a degree of panic - even as early as the first 20 mins. It’s not over yet.
I actually didn’t think we were that bad last night apart from too many long punts from the half-way line. Defensively we were sound (bar the one obvious exception), we just need to be more patient in possesion. I think the expectation was that we were going to stroll through to 6-0 win and that rubbed off on the players causing a degree of panic - even as early as the first 20 mins. It’s not over yet.
Tony Hawkins
7 Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:03:24
7 Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:03:24
I don’t agree that Everton need an extreme make over - I think Everton need a couple of new midfielders.
Hibbert was utter crap last night. Yes he got forward and put a few decent crosses in but he was ALWAYS out of position and that caused problems for the rest of the defense AND any sensible passes were long up the pitch straight to a Metalist player. Neville appeared able only to pass sideways or backwards - I agree he should be a rightback.
We are short in the midfield for quality which showed last night. No one ran the midfield and most of the balls we long balls down the channels (unless from Hibbert who put them down the middle)
The players who stood out for me were Leighton Baines and Wessel. AJ looked like he didn’t know what to do with the ball once he had it. Yakubu didn’t want to play, Carlsey didn’t appear to do anything and Osman isn’t strong enough. The Yobo and Lescott were solid and dependable enough as you’d hope.
I still come back to the point where AJ appears to be trying to make up for the lack of wingers by doing the job himself....
Hibbert was utter crap last night. Yes he got forward and put a few decent crosses in but he was ALWAYS out of position and that caused problems for the rest of the defense AND any sensible passes were long up the pitch straight to a Metalist player. Neville appeared able only to pass sideways or backwards - I agree he should be a rightback.
We are short in the midfield for quality which showed last night. No one ran the midfield and most of the balls we long balls down the channels (unless from Hibbert who put them down the middle)
The players who stood out for me were Leighton Baines and Wessel. AJ looked like he didn’t know what to do with the ball once he had it. Yakubu didn’t want to play, Carlsey didn’t appear to do anything and Osman isn’t strong enough. The Yobo and Lescott were solid and dependable enough as you’d hope.
I still come back to the point where AJ appears to be trying to make up for the lack of wingers by doing the job himself....
Alan Clarke
8 Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:24:01
8 Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:24:01
What the hell was that formation in the first half? When we are at half strength, why confuse the players by playing tactics they’ve never played before? Yakubu lost interest because he played almost as a left winger in the fist half. You could see he didn’t know whether to stay out wide or get into the area. This is Moyes’ fault for employing such crap tactics.
This is utterly reminiscent of Walter Smith and people keep saying on here in Moyes’s defence "what would you rather, we wnet back to the bad old days under Smith?" Last night and this season we have. Incidentally I see Walter Smith’s side beat the German chamions this week.
This is utterly reminiscent of Walter Smith and people keep saying on here in Moyes’s defence "what would you rather, we wnet back to the bad old days under Smith?" Last night and this season we have. Incidentally I see Walter Smith’s side beat the German chamions this week.
Richard Parker
9 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:01:38
9 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:01:38
I already had my say in another post, but that was before I read the OS today.
Moyes didn’t even have the bollocks to say we were shit. I’d have had a lot more respect if he’d held his hands up and said ’fair enough, we made a balls up of it’. But no, he blames a ref who gave us 2 pens and sent 2 of their players off.
I would say that the only player who can claim to have acquitted themselves last night was Wessels.
A lot of people have give Yobo and Lescott praise, but they can’t have watched the same match. There was more than one occasion, their goal aside, where I was shitting it, as they broke through our back line. They unlocked our defense more than once, I don’t think I can say the same for our lot!!!
Have some balls Moyes, admit you fucked it up and change something. Don’t rely on Arteta or Gravesen to bail you out.... do something about it.
Moyes didn’t even have the bollocks to say we were shit. I’d have had a lot more respect if he’d held his hands up and said ’fair enough, we made a balls up of it’. But no, he blames a ref who gave us 2 pens and sent 2 of their players off.
I would say that the only player who can claim to have acquitted themselves last night was Wessels.
A lot of people have give Yobo and Lescott praise, but they can’t have watched the same match. There was more than one occasion, their goal aside, where I was shitting it, as they broke through our back line. They unlocked our defense more than once, I don’t think I can say the same for our lot!!!
Have some balls Moyes, admit you fucked it up and change something. Don’t rely on Arteta or Gravesen to bail you out.... do something about it.
Brian Waring
10 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:01:56
10 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:01:56
How the fuck,are we going to find another 10-15,000 fans to fill a new stadium,when we are served up shite like that?Funny thing is,it’s not as if the football we played last night, was any different to what we played for most of last season,and for the start of this season as well.Also,you just know,that if Gravesen is not fit,it will be Carsley and Neville centre-mid on sunday,with Hibbert at right back.
Seth De Merit
11 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:17:23
11 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:17:23
It was an embarrassment from start to finish. From the ticket f**k up that was always on the cards, to drawing a game we should of won 4-0.
When Johnson missed his 2nd - I laughed. I laughed loudly and proudly. I did this because one doesnt want to break down in tears on a Thursday evening in their front living room.
Our football is horrible to watch.
Our PR is horrendous.
The treatment of fans is awful.
Johnson is shot to fuck. Dare I say it, Ive always always been pro Moyes, but now i think maybe, finally, im starting to change my mind.
When Johnson missed his 2nd - I laughed. I laughed loudly and proudly. I did this because one doesnt want to break down in tears on a Thursday evening in their front living room.
Our football is horrible to watch.
Our PR is horrendous.
The treatment of fans is awful.
Johnson is shot to fuck. Dare I say it, Ive always always been pro Moyes, but now i think maybe, finally, im starting to change my mind.
Tony Marsh
12 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:43:02
12 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:43:02
Seth thats it mate let it all out.It feels so good.Once it dawns on the rest of the Moyes faithfull that Davey is a fraud then we will be much better off as a club.Last night was the final straw it seems for many who have previuosly been loyal to the Moyes brand.Some Everton fans like anthony Newell,Ged Dwyer and Myself have tried to get the messsage across for years now that Moyes is a dud and now others are starting to realise it.
Dave Ainscough
13 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:50:05
13 Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:50:05
I am really beginning about not getting a ticket for the away match after booking the flight, when I have been really looking forward to it. That was a shambles, it reminded me of the Bucharest game at home when although we we’re 5-1 down from the first leg, we played against an average team (yes they wer average compared to any premiership team)and we could have easily stuck 4 or 5 goals past them. But then again how could we expect to score when we have Hibbert, Carsley, Neville and sometimes Osman, four players on the field and im not including Johnson or Mcfadden, who cant pass the ball!
I’m really beginning to have my doubts about Yakubu, if you cant out pace/out strength/out jump opponents of that class you must be either extremeley lazy or extremeley shite!
I’m really beginning to have my doubts about Yakubu, if you cant out pace/out strength/out jump opponents of that class you must be either extremeley lazy or extremeley shite!
nick thomas
14 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:07:03
14 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:07:03
the night was a farce!!! -starting with queuing for christ knows how long to pick up a ticcket for my old man that he bought -last saturday!!! -anyway onwards -AJ is not shit nor shud he be dropped -he is still a month into the season following an operation in the summer -he gives 100% (mor ethan can be said of Neville,hibbert,mcfadden, or osman)- Carsley and Neville -which one of the is the attacking midfielder. -we have never played 4 3 3 in 5 years so why do it now? -it is not a training exercise? -everton are and continue to be inept, predictable, but most importantly completely and utterly lightweight and devoid of an effective midfield -may as well cancel my european jolly for the group stages again!!!!
jim ager
15 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:28:30
15 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:28:30
Whats really annoyed me (although i guessed it would happen)is Moyes saying on the official website how good metalist were last night. I think that is crap, any other top 6 team in England would have buried them. Their nigerian striker was even worse than ours!
patty blue
16 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:29:11
16 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:29:11
What a load of miserable sods you all are - you can tell you are of the male gender!! Look, its not over until the fat lady sings but I do admit I can hear her practising her scales!!.
The team are probably feeling as miserable as we are about the whole shebangs and they need lifting, not slagging off. I was as upset and as disappointed as anyone else - when I went to bed all I could think about was the football and I admit to saying, when Andy Johnson, missed his last penalty, "Well great, you have fucked up any chances we have now". We all know, in our hearts, what the probable outcome of last night’s fiasco is going to be but we can hope until it happens and get behind the lads and try and lift their confidence for Sunday’s game against the Villa. Actually my son "hit it on the nail" really when he said - I couldn’t care less if they are out of any cups, at least they will concentrate on the Premiership". In fairness that was not my view - I would like them to win something. Come on you moaners and pessimists, let’s try and lift our lads.
The team are probably feeling as miserable as we are about the whole shebangs and they need lifting, not slagging off. I was as upset and as disappointed as anyone else - when I went to bed all I could think about was the football and I admit to saying, when Andy Johnson, missed his last penalty, "Well great, you have fucked up any chances we have now". We all know, in our hearts, what the probable outcome of last night’s fiasco is going to be but we can hope until it happens and get behind the lads and try and lift their confidence for Sunday’s game against the Villa. Actually my son "hit it on the nail" really when he said - I couldn’t care less if they are out of any cups, at least they will concentrate on the Premiership". In fairness that was not my view - I would like them to win something. Come on you moaners and pessimists, let’s try and lift our lads.
ray
17 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:41:29
17 Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:41:29
Richard, at least there’s someone else who was at the same match as I was. I’ve mentioned on another post here that they found plenty of space going forward, Baines was often left exposed and Lescott and Yobo looked as if they were filling their kecks everytime Metalist attacked.Hibbert was awfull and so was Neville, but in his defence, when Hibbert had the ball and was bricking it at least Neville made himself available to relieve him of the ball. The fact that Neville then hoofed it forward or backwards only made himself look crap.There was no composure, no confidence and no flair.Osman, too lightweight, Carsley is not the Carsley of last season,McFadden still flatters to deceive and Yakubu? Dear Lord, is that what we’ve spent our money on?
Allan Hobbs
18 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:08:25
18 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:08:25
We’re not our just yet fellas!
We’ll have Tommy and Arteta back for the 2nd leg and I for one am damn sure we’re a better side than Metalist and I’m also confident we’ll score at least once over there.
Up the blues!
We’ll have Tommy and Arteta back for the 2nd leg and I for one am damn sure we’re a better side than Metalist and I’m also confident we’ll score at least once over there.
Up the blues!
Anthony Newell
19 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:18:02
19 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:18:02
Just think, if the clowns in charge of our club can’t get the simple commercial basics like ticketing right how do you trust them with a ground move to Kirkby?
The words "Make-over" are absultely bang on and thats right from the top downwards. I don’t think we have a bad set of players now but there seems to be a general malaise at manager and board level which is just stopping us from moving forward.
We know the manager won’t be dismissed so that means we have to hope someone comes in and buys the club and reshapes it completely. That’s the only way this grand old club is going to move forward. Every aspect of the running and operation of Everton Football Club is an embarrassment at the minute and it’s high time it changed. Go, all of you shisters and let someone who knows what they are doing have a crack
The words "Make-over" are absultely bang on and thats right from the top downwards. I don’t think we have a bad set of players now but there seems to be a general malaise at manager and board level which is just stopping us from moving forward.
We know the manager won’t be dismissed so that means we have to hope someone comes in and buys the club and reshapes it completely. That’s the only way this grand old club is going to move forward. Every aspect of the running and operation of Everton Football Club is an embarrassment at the minute and it’s high time it changed. Go, all of you shisters and let someone who knows what they are doing have a crack
Mick Mc
20 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:24:03
20 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:24:03
Basically we are not very good when it comes to taking a game by the scruff of the neck and dominating teams and the manager is clueless with basic tactics and team selection. everyone can see that Hibbart is shit and Neville cant pass , Carsley is to slow and Osman is to light weight. How long can we put up with this, full house great atmosphere at times and a piss poor performance again Moyes you not a bad manager but I would question your brand of football and in particular some of your buys, in particular forwards, Yakubu looks like a lazy fat bastard, Johnson cant hit a barn door and Beattie well he was just shit.
norman merrill
21 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:16:31
21 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:16:31
The reason we wont win any silverware with Moyes & Irvine in charge, is that they are both tactically inept.
Gavin Ramejkis
22 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:32:10
22 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:32:10
Patty with all respect what the hell is it worth even playing in the league if you don’t subsequently give a toss about cup performance, is your son happy with the mid table shite this club just about deserve? I was waiting for one of the apologists to come up with this kind of tripe, as soon as any cup goes pear shaped as it does every year since DM has been in charge one of the usual suspects comes up with the league is more important, well maybe it is but then why not aim for anything between 7th and just above the relegation slots, wouldn’t any player just love to be playing that mediocre tripe every week.
Neil Pearse
23 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:32:47
23 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:32:47
Tony, okay we are all letting it out! I think you have never given Moyes enough credit for getting us to the level he has. This is a real achievement, and he doesn’t deserve to be called "a fraud".
But I have to admit now that you have been right all along that he could not take us to the next level. I hoped he could, because changing managers around all the time (a la Newcastle) is no way to run a football club. I also hoped that he would learn - not a ridiculous hope maybe. But I now doubt that he can in anything like the timeframe we need - i.e. this year.
Realistically, I suspect that Moyes has until the end of the season unless we start to plummet down the league (now possible in my view), or unless our stars start to want out. But also realistically I suspect that even Kenwright now knows that Moyes is going to have to be replaced next summer at the latest. At least gives him time to look.
But I have to admit now that you have been right all along that he could not take us to the next level. I hoped he could, because changing managers around all the time (a la Newcastle) is no way to run a football club. I also hoped that he would learn - not a ridiculous hope maybe. But I now doubt that he can in anything like the timeframe we need - i.e. this year.
Realistically, I suspect that Moyes has until the end of the season unless we start to plummet down the league (now possible in my view), or unless our stars start to want out. But also realistically I suspect that even Kenwright now knows that Moyes is going to have to be replaced next summer at the latest. At least gives him time to look.
Luke Brooks
24 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:29:33
24 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:29:33
People on this site have been moaning about the return of Tommy G and how Tiny Tim would get nowhere near our team...well what a load of sh1te. That midfield was embarrasing...add those two and we would have won at a canter.
The Yak is lazy and weak, he has a long way to go before he’ll get any praise from me. But I will praise AJ, he works effortlessly and the goals will come - you don’t become a bad striker overnight. Neville is the captain and should have stopped him taking the 2nd peno.
In the meantime, does anyone actually know Davie M? If so, please, please, please tell him that Tony Hibbert would struggle to get into most sunday league sides. If you can’t pass then you can’t play in the Prem or Europe, simple as. Pick Jags...now!!
The Yak is lazy and weak, he has a long way to go before he’ll get any praise from me. But I will praise AJ, he works effortlessly and the goals will come - you don’t become a bad striker overnight. Neville is the captain and should have stopped him taking the 2nd peno.
In the meantime, does anyone actually know Davie M? If so, please, please, please tell him that Tony Hibbert would struggle to get into most sunday league sides. If you can’t pass then you can’t play in the Prem or Europe, simple as. Pick Jags...now!!
Barry Cass
25 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:19:35
25 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:19:35
The manager should hold his hand up this morning and admit he got it wrong. I’m pretty sure no other team would have attempted to try a new formation out on such an important night. Yes, we were without Arteta, Gravesen and Pienaar who would have given us some quality going forward but to play Carsley(who is shite at the best of times) and Neville (who is a full back) at the centre of the park is astounding when you are trying to force the game. The midfield was devoid of any pace, Faddy again proved he’s not up to it and Baines was left woefully exposed because he had no cover in front of him.
Moyes has been complaining about the small squad but only he can do something about it not us ! I personally would have played :
Wessells
Hibbo Yobo Lescott Valente
Ossie Neville Jagielka Baines
Johnson Yakubu
I know Baines would be out of position but he honestly looks like our best attacking option at times and Nuno has ’European’ experience. 442 is how we play each week and we don’t really get as embarrassed as we did last night.
Finally, I dont agree with all this AJ’s crap and Yakubu is a waste of money as they are both strikers not wingers ! They thrive on chances being created and are there to score goals. Van Nistelrooy wouldn’t score in our team as it seems that you have to be able to get the ball and create your own chances as the midfield wont do it for you. The fact is our Manager has been here for 5 years and has still not managed to bring in a top class central midfielder ! Lee Carsley was here when Moyes took over and we were on the brink of relegation and he’s still in our team now !! How’s that progress ??
An absolutely gutted Blue !!!
Moyes has been complaining about the small squad but only he can do something about it not us ! I personally would have played :
Wessells
Hibbo Yobo Lescott Valente
Ossie Neville Jagielka Baines
Johnson Yakubu
I know Baines would be out of position but he honestly looks like our best attacking option at times and Nuno has ’European’ experience. 442 is how we play each week and we don’t really get as embarrassed as we did last night.
Finally, I dont agree with all this AJ’s crap and Yakubu is a waste of money as they are both strikers not wingers ! They thrive on chances being created and are there to score goals. Van Nistelrooy wouldn’t score in our team as it seems that you have to be able to get the ball and create your own chances as the midfield wont do it for you. The fact is our Manager has been here for 5 years and has still not managed to bring in a top class central midfielder ! Lee Carsley was here when Moyes took over and we were on the brink of relegation and he’s still in our team now !! How’s that progress ??
An absolutely gutted Blue !!!
Andy Ellams
26 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:37:28
26 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:37:28
Moyes isn’t a bad manager, he has just taken the club as far as he can. He can hold his head up high for that, but it is time for him to move on and rescue somebody else now.
dominic duerden
27 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:40:25
27 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:40:25
What a difference when Anichebe came onto the pitch. Yakubu was really struggling and taking him off did him a favour.
When you consider that Vaughan is back soon I wonder why Moyes gambled so much money on Yakubu , I think he will end up like Beattie , ie , stuck on the bench.
Tony Hibbert is so bad it is embarrassing , what does Moyes see when he watches the game ????
I think we will win in the Ukraine , when Arteta is back .
When you consider that Vaughan is back soon I wonder why Moyes gambled so much money on Yakubu , I think he will end up like Beattie , ie , stuck on the bench.
Tony Hibbert is so bad it is embarrassing , what does Moyes see when he watches the game ????
I think we will win in the Ukraine , when Arteta is back .
Peter
28 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:51:34
28 Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:51:34
Hibbart fuck off, If your going to play Neville put him at right back or on the bench, Carsley not good enough for the premiere league, Osman get the gym and put some fucking weight on, Yakubu do me a favour wake up you lazy bastard, Johnson you havent scored for years so you can gib it to West Ham, Jagenelka not sure about you, your a bit shit but I will give you a chance. That leaves Arteta, Yobo, Lescott, Howard and maybe Bains. Victor your ok for 10 minutes and Vaugne you have got potential, the rest well who knows. There you have it lads we are officaly shite with about 4 decent players all the rest are crap.
Allan Hobbs
29 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:02:34
29 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:02:34
To be fair, we were all over them for the entire game. The ref fucked up when not allowing the first penalty which would’ve meant we were 2 nil up, then if they scored or not we’d have still won 2-1, or even 3-1 had AJ’s head not been all over the place for the last one.
It wasn’t as bad as you all think, you’re just a bit caught up in the emotion of it all.
We’re still in the UEFA cup and I’m confident we’ll score over there. I reckon we’ll get through no problem, we’re a way better side than them and with Tommy & Arteta back in 2 weeks we’ll whip em.
It wasn’t as bad as you all think, you’re just a bit caught up in the emotion of it all.
We’re still in the UEFA cup and I’m confident we’ll score over there. I reckon we’ll get through no problem, we’re a way better side than them and with Tommy & Arteta back in 2 weeks we’ll whip em.
Allan Hobbs
30 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:05:55
30 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:05:55
Peter - you write as though they’re listening!
Jay
31 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:30:45
31 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:30:45
Peter well said Baines, Lescott, Arteta and the Goal keepers are the only decent players we have in the team. The rest ov them are utter Sh*te!!!!!
Richard Parker
32 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:24:02
32 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:24:02
Allan
It was as bad as we think. It was hopeless.
It’d be one thing if DM had come out and kicked the players arses for a shitty performance like that, but for him to blame the ref is a poor show.
2-0 up against 10 men would have flattered us. They played better football than us and if the performance isn’t 400% better at their place, then we will get done and we’ll be back to where we started 13 months ago.
I was optimistic at the start of the season, I still am, but Moyes’ reaction is not easily foriven.
Tell the players who were shit that they were shit and change it, don’t blame someone else for your own shit. That’s the problem.
He needs to get us playing in the next 3 games and get us to the group stages. We then need to carry on playing until next May. I don’t want to see another performance like that this season.
It was as bad as we think. It was hopeless.
It’d be one thing if DM had come out and kicked the players arses for a shitty performance like that, but for him to blame the ref is a poor show.
2-0 up against 10 men would have flattered us. They played better football than us and if the performance isn’t 400% better at their place, then we will get done and we’ll be back to where we started 13 months ago.
I was optimistic at the start of the season, I still am, but Moyes’ reaction is not easily foriven.
Tell the players who were shit that they were shit and change it, don’t blame someone else for your own shit. That’s the problem.
He needs to get us playing in the next 3 games and get us to the group stages. We then need to carry on playing until next May. I don’t want to see another performance like that this season.
Tony Williams
33 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:39:02
33 Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:39:02
Who said Moyes didn’t rip them a new one in the changies? What good would it do to come out and publically call his players shite?
You can’t please some people, we keep on hearing that we need to be more adventurous and Moyes picks a 4-3-3 to attack what was a crap side. It went wrong because the players were fooking shite and couldn’t string two passes together.
My main grip against Moyes was that he should have changed it at half time, take off Hibbert, move the useless passer Pip to right back and bring on Jags.
When Hibbert gets the ball it invariably finds an opposing player, can’t fault his defending but we cannot play him anymore purely due to the fact he gives away possession 90% of the time.
The players underperformed and Moyes was too late in bringing in the changes.
They were shite and we will beat them at their gaffe comfortably with Arteta in and their two centre backs banned.
You can’t please some people, we keep on hearing that we need to be more adventurous and Moyes picks a 4-3-3 to attack what was a crap side. It went wrong because the players were fooking shite and couldn’t string two passes together.
My main grip against Moyes was that he should have changed it at half time, take off Hibbert, move the useless passer Pip to right back and bring on Jags.
When Hibbert gets the ball it invariably finds an opposing player, can’t fault his defending but we cannot play him anymore purely due to the fact he gives away possession 90% of the time.
The players underperformed and Moyes was too late in bringing in the changes.
They were shite and we will beat them at their gaffe comfortably with Arteta in and their two centre backs banned.
Richard Parker
34 Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:20:08
34 Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:20:08
Tony
I’m not one of the people claiming that we play poor football. I have been and still am pro-Moyes, but what I saw last night was extremely worrying to say the least. I don’t ask for us to be more attacking, especially in a home match where away goals are at a premium against a team we should beat without too much trouble.
I’m not asking him to rip into his players in the public spotlight. I’m asking him to be honest. To hold his hands up and say I fucked up, the players didn’t perform and it will be corrected.
It was his lame attempt to blame the ref and not look at him and his boys that pisses me off.
Also, I don’t really rate Hibbert, even defensively. I can think of at least 2 or 3 goals conceded this season alone that were down to him. But he was far from the worst player on the pitch last night and his passing was far from the worst.
I’m not one of the people claiming that we play poor football. I have been and still am pro-Moyes, but what I saw last night was extremely worrying to say the least. I don’t ask for us to be more attacking, especially in a home match where away goals are at a premium against a team we should beat without too much trouble.
I’m not asking him to rip into his players in the public spotlight. I’m asking him to be honest. To hold his hands up and say I fucked up, the players didn’t perform and it will be corrected.
It was his lame attempt to blame the ref and not look at him and his boys that pisses me off.
Also, I don’t really rate Hibbert, even defensively. I can think of at least 2 or 3 goals conceded this season alone that were down to him. But he was far from the worst player on the pitch last night and his passing was far from the worst.
Brian Wolf
35 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:06:13
35 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:06:13
Peter,
Well done lad you’ve strung a sentence together this week. Spellings still a bad though. This week I give you a C+ keep up the effort.
Well done lad you’ve strung a sentence together this week. Spellings still a bad though. This week I give you a C+ keep up the effort.
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