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Remember This Day At The End of The Season
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Message to all of us who get really exited/nervous/suicidal.. at the end of the each 'good' season (every 2 years) about whether we can hold on to sixth place or whether, if Man U win the League Cup as well, we could sneek in to europe in 7th. Whats the point?
For the second time in 3 years we have proved to be the laughing stock of the English Premier League and Europe. Our manager tactically is woeful and his team is probably the most wooden, uninspiring side in the whole of Europe. Yes there are worse sides than us but at least their players look comfortable on the ball. We just rely on scoring from set pieces. Football by numbers ? no flair, no imagination, no pace.
What's more it's gonna really wind me up when Captain Nev (who talks the talk but sadly is unable to walk the walk) starts spouting off again at Xmas that the early loss in the Uefa Cup dented our confidence and we are only just recovering our form because of it. Mark my words it will happen. Broken records and all that, Phil.
Mike Whittaker, Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:20:22
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Mark Crotty
2 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:08:53
2 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:08:53
because allan, a lot of people are quite rightly wound up today. we had the lessons 2 years ago, and we have not learnt from them, on or off the pitch, it was like deja vu last nite. fiasco off the pitch, team in yellow passing it better than us, full house of everton fas hoping for a good result - same old shite on the pitch.
evertonians deserve better and so if they want to have a rant and rave then let them do so, and stop worrying about threads, and start worrying about the team !
evertonians deserve better and so if they want to have a rant and rave then let them do so, and stop worrying about threads, and start worrying about the team !
Neil Styles
3 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:12:21
3 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:12:21
Guys calm down. Why is everyone so upset about last nite? The result was a freak, David Moyes’ tactics cant be criticized when a team puts 11 men behind the ball, the referee was poor, and to be blunt, its hard for a team with as much talent as ours (at least on paper) to get out of 2nd gear for a bunch of ukranians. OK, we should have wrapped up the tie but for AJ’s incompetence from the spot but rest assurred, we’ll finish the job in their place. Personally, Im not even worried about the return leg- its a sure thing. I’m more worried about Villa Park on sunday.
Neil Styles
4 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:12:21
4 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:12:21
Guys calm down. Why is everyone so upset about last nite? The result was a freak, David Moyes’ tactics cant be criticized when a team puts 11 men behind the ball, the referee was poor, and to be blunt, its hard for a team with as much talent as ours (at least on paper) to get out of 2nd gear for a bunch of ukranians. OK, we should have wrapped up the tie but for AJ’s incompetence from the spot but rest assurred, we’ll finish the job in their place. Personally, Im not even worried about the return leg- its a sure thing. I’m more worried about Villa Park on sunday.
Allan Hobbs
5 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:23:08
5 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:23:08
Mark, you’re missing my point.
I agree with you, but with every thread being the same it just gets pushed down and lost on the page. If we were only given one thread to speak on, then everyone would get their views aired.
I agree with you, but with every thread being the same it just gets pushed down and lost on the page. If we were only given one thread to speak on, then everyone would get their views aired.
Brian Wolf
6 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:35:53
6 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:35:53
When you say we are the laughing stock of the premier league I have to disagree.
After all, Bolton and Blackburn did not fare any better.
After all, Bolton and Blackburn did not fare any better.
ray
7 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:59:05
7 Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:59:05
Neil.....I’d like a couple of nostrils full of what you’re on, man.
Paul
8 Posted 21/09/2007 at 16:10:05
8 Posted 21/09/2007 at 16:10:05
Manuel Fernandes..Oh how close we may have been.
Mick simpson
9 Posted 21/09/2007 at 16:45:02
9 Posted 21/09/2007 at 16:45:02
Hibbit, Carsley, Osman, Neville, Yakubu (lump of lard), McFadden, Jaganelka fuck off, Johnson you can stay only if you score a fucking goal. The manager can piss off to.
Mike Allison
10 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:08:45
10 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:08:45
"David Moyes? tactics cant be criticized"
Sorry Neil, but if that was an attempt to calm people down it was a pretty bad one. We should have won that game 5-0, Metalist were woeful. Moyes’ tactics are the reason we didn’t. He started with a new formation we haven’t played before, we were even more narrow than usual, the opposite of what you should do if you expect the opposition to defend, and we couldn’t even attack from full back on one side because Hibbert was playing there. His substitutions, two like for like swaps, did nothing to change anything. I don’t really hold the players to blame as they were restricted by what they had been told to do, they had no space or passing options because we were playing so narrowly. It was as bad a tactical display as I have seen in a long time. Plan A was lump it forward and hope for a knock down or set piece, Plan B was lump it into the box and hope for a penalty. We created nothing of any note whatsoever from open play. There is no way around that.
Sorry Neil, but if that was an attempt to calm people down it was a pretty bad one. We should have won that game 5-0, Metalist were woeful. Moyes’ tactics are the reason we didn’t. He started with a new formation we haven’t played before, we were even more narrow than usual, the opposite of what you should do if you expect the opposition to defend, and we couldn’t even attack from full back on one side because Hibbert was playing there. His substitutions, two like for like swaps, did nothing to change anything. I don’t really hold the players to blame as they were restricted by what they had been told to do, they had no space or passing options because we were playing so narrowly. It was as bad a tactical display as I have seen in a long time. Plan A was lump it forward and hope for a knock down or set piece, Plan B was lump it into the box and hope for a penalty. We created nothing of any note whatsoever from open play. There is no way around that.
Lewis
11 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:38:10
11 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:38:10
I agree somewhat with Mike Allison, yet fact is, if AJ had scored those 2 penalties then we wouldnt be inundated with tedious threads from loads of narky bellends covering old ground. Phew. Sorry. Hard day at work. We will win away im sure and all will be forgotten. Havent loads of teams been shite in the first game of a tournament and gone on to do well?
tony savage
12 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:39:47
12 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:39:47
sadly lacked any creativity.Why didn’t we play a more orthodox 4.4.2.When is moyes going to realise hibbert ( hoof the ball at every attempt )can not go forward with any real conviction.Plus look how many goals we concede from his side.either play neville at right back or jagielka.If we have an injury prone season to key players we are dead in the water.Give yakubu a chance you must give him service or he won’t score.
ray
13 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:50:18
13 Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:50:18
Mike Allison
Sorry Mike but your comment "I don?t really hold the players to blame as they were restricted by what they had been told to do, they had no space or passing options because we were playing so narrowly." can’t excuse them one bit. Blame Moyes all we like but they’re the ones who can’t hit a 20yd pass or run into space or even trap a ball cleanly.They’re the ones who switch off and allow forwards/defenders to slip past them etc.They must shoulder the blame as much as Moyes. Do they need to be told every ’effin thing? Have they no sense of resposibility? I bet you can work unsupervised....I wonder if Moyes has to wipe their arse for them?
Sorry Mike but your comment "I don?t really hold the players to blame as they were restricted by what they had been told to do, they had no space or passing options because we were playing so narrowly." can’t excuse them one bit. Blame Moyes all we like but they’re the ones who can’t hit a 20yd pass or run into space or even trap a ball cleanly.They’re the ones who switch off and allow forwards/defenders to slip past them etc.They must shoulder the blame as much as Moyes. Do they need to be told every ’effin thing? Have they no sense of resposibility? I bet you can work unsupervised....I wonder if Moyes has to wipe their arse for them?
gaz daniels
14 Posted 21/09/2007 at 19:27:37
14 Posted 21/09/2007 at 19:27:37
the article sums up how i felt last night, whats the point of finishing six because moyes will never be good enough to take us anywhere in europe.
Last night was moyes’ fault he picks,trains and signs the players.
thing is a lot of them are really great players, just not under moyes
Last night was moyes’ fault he picks,trains and signs the players.
thing is a lot of them are really great players, just not under moyes
Alan Clarke
15 Posted 21/09/2007 at 20:40:19
15 Posted 21/09/2007 at 20:40:19
Mike Whitteaker is absolutely spot on. I can no longer get excited about 6th place if we aren’t going to compete in Europe. Since most people accept now that 6th place is a good finish now as we can’t compete with those top 4 then there really is nothing to play for.
How depressing.
How depressing.
Mike Allison
16 Posted 23/09/2007 at 00:04:30
16 Posted 23/09/2007 at 00:04:30
Ray I don’t think its a case of them being ’supervised’ by Moyes, they played in the positions he told them to. The only way they could have done better than they did is some kind of on-pitch mutiny where they decided they would play with width after all. Phil Neville is out of position in midfield, and Tony Hibbert is out of position on a professional football pitch. Three strikers won’t do anything if there’s no way of getting them the ball.
Blue Swede
17 Posted 23/09/2007 at 00:27:28
17 Posted 23/09/2007 at 00:27:28
And whats more the "highlights" where shown on eurosport so now the entire continent are laughing!!!!!!!! I know.I´ve had to hear it.
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1 Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:47:37
Just a thought.