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Its not knee-jerk, stupid

The only benefit of last night is that surely now there can only be a small rump of deluded fans who don't see the 'Average One' for what he is.

You can be sure however that in the next few days the deluded brigade will be out in force leading the backlash - the words 'progress', 'Walter Smith', 'not fighting relegation' and 'stability' wil be used frequently.

However, this time there should be no going back - Moyes is without dispute totally incapable of putting out a side which even pretends to play good football. He is the onest of one-trick ponies and the club is simply treading water.

Towards the end of last season I had to listen in disbelief as fellow blues argued that Moyes had turned the corner and things would now change ? well they haven't and never will. I will happily go record now in saying that I want Moyes out even if we finish 4th this season as I simply cant take this shite football any more. It's killing the club and it will kill the fan base.

Liverpool sacked Houllier when they finished 4th and went on to better things ? why are our standards so much lower? I will for one will never settle for this obscene imitation of the beautiful game.

ps - what are the odds on Moyes exiting all 3 cup competitions at the first attempt? MOYES OUT!
John Doolan, Liverpool Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:29:32

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Ged Dwyer
1 Posted 21/09/2007 at 19:46:16

Laughable, disgraceful, embarrassing. Nothing but the pathetic will do is what Kenwright should change our motto to. Every other premiership club would be looking for a new manager after last nights fiasco. Once again Everton's name was dragged in the mud by Moyes but he's still allowed to stay and plough his own brand of hoofball. He ruins player after player, he has no idea of how to play football, has no idea about tactics but for some reason we still have Evertonians saying you're not a good Evertonian if you don't get behind the manager. So wrong. YOU ARE A GOOD EVERTONIAN FOR KNOWING THE MANAGER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND WANTING BETTER FOR THE TEAM. Enough is enough. Go Moyes and do us all a favour and tell Kenwright to sell up. This is now beyond farce

Alan Clarke
2 Posted 21/09/2007 at 20:49:27

"But Moyes has done brilliantly since he took over, we no longer battle with relegation. We’ve finished 4th and 6th - higher than we ever would have done under Smith! The average age of the squad blah blah blah"

If any smart arse make this comment, then you obviously aren’t attending the games and watching the utter crap Moyes serves up.

Mickey Ball
3 Posted 21/09/2007 at 21:46:32

Moyes never has as player or manager been able to play attractive football. He has dragged to many players into his own defensive crap.. Just what stopped Beattie, Johnson and now it looks like Yak from being player’s who were dangerous in and around the box with other teams, ALL scored goals, until Moyes and his fellow shitbag Irvine got to grips with them???????

Tony Marsh
4 Posted 21/09/2007 at 21:58:48

Your right John there is no point in Moyes carrying on.If he does go on as he is doing then its more
of the same.Its pointless garbagge
with no means to the end.How much
humiliation can one set of fans take before they impode.
Qualifying for Europe with Moyes as manager is not worth the hassle.Embarrasing exits and world wide laughter is all we achieve.If Moyes was any kind of a man he would fall on his sword tomorrow.As for Alan Irvine I have had my suspiscions for a few years now the it is he who is dictating tactics to Moyes.Its a very strange set up when you see the Caveman with the note pad telling DM what needs to be done.>Most top clubs have a blend on the bench. Coaching staff consisting of experience,a local player,a former player,a continetal type continental type etc.We have two dour jocks who
cant teach any player anything new because they know fuck all themselves.

Alan Clarke
5 Posted 21/09/2007 at 22:40:44

It’s groundhog day - 2 dour jocks in charge again.

Davey boy Jones
6 Posted 22/09/2007 at 03:57:12

To be fair to Alan Irvine I think Moyes is tarnishing his reputation. From the limited interviews I have seen with him on Everton TV Irvine seems to be a much better personality than Moyes, far more positive and upbeat, and has stated several times that he is a believer in the ’beautiful game’ philosophy. When he only has the likes of Phil Neville to wrk with his hands are a bit tied. Moyes is a joke and his departure is long overdue. Whoever said they’d still want rid if we finished 4th i’m with you all the way. The greater good is what matters and it is in the best interests of the club to replace the man with someone who can coach proper football. We will NEVER win anything under David Moyes, ever.

Ste Boileau
7 Posted 22/09/2007 at 09:27:55

Spurs finished 5th and 5th, they start badly and they’re looking to get rid of their manager. Their chairman sets his sights high and wants a return for what he spends. Chelsea get rid of their manager because they’re playing shite football despite winning back to back premiership trophies. We play terrible 80s style football, contiunually embarrass outselves in competitions and we never talk of changing the manager. Yes Moyes has steadied the ship by making us hard to beat etc. But we now have a talented squad of players who need to be taking us onto the next level and under Moyes this will never happen. I agree, he continualy ruins players, takes top strikers and turns them into carthorses. How long before Vaughan has lost that spark and just ’runs the channels’ and ’works hard’. Id love to see and honestly believe that this side can play good passing football. I just dont think they can under Moyes. But Kenwright has got the balls to say No to Wyness so he’s never going to replace Moyes.

BLUE SHAUN COOK
8 Posted 22/09/2007 at 10:44:38

WE LOVE HOOFBALL !! LONG MAY IT CONTINUE !!

Matthew Sweeney
9 Posted 22/09/2007 at 11:01:51

Whatever anyone says, only a minority of people wanted moyes out before this game. Now it seems almost everyone does. I know your not allowed to insult people here, but the amount of retards on here amazes me. One result doesn’t prove anything. Blackburn lost 2-0, after holding chelsea onto a point at the weekend. It’s the long term stuff that should make you decide on moyes - not one fucking game. If johnson scored his pens, we would have won anyway (but that’s moyes’ fault right?).

I’m not really critiscing people who already wanted Moyes out this time (although you are wrong ;) ). More the people who seemed pretty happy with moyes until after the game, whereby they now want him out, out, out! If that describes you, you know nothing about football.

Tony Williams
10 Posted 22/09/2007 at 12:12:21

"Laughable, disgraceful, embarrassing. Nothing but the pathetic will do"

Good words, especially when turned around to the wtitter of the post.

If we finish 4th you still want him out do you? Deffinitely laughable that one, if he progresses we want him out....doh!

Why the comparrison with Foolier? have we been a constant top 3/4 side whilst I wasn’t looking?

Get a grip the lot of you, yes the football is ugly to watch and downright horribe at times but show me a team outside of the usual suspects that play freeflowing attractive football with the multi million pound players.

It must be Moyes fault that we never won, we didn’t lose either you know, and it must be Moyes fault thatAJ missed the two pens that would have made it 3-1.

On the other hand I conceed it is Moyes fault that Hibbert is still playing...

Dave Usher
11 Posted 22/09/2007 at 12:19:54

Unbelievable. This is probably the best team we have had for a number of years all pretty much assembled by Moyes. We arn?t exactly playing total football but anyone can see the progress from the last few years. Before Moyes when was the last time you needed a passport to get to the match?
I?ll be the first to admit that Wednesday night was a tactical fiasco but on balance the positives he has brought to the club far outway the negatives. A large proportion of our best players were out and show me any team outside the top four where you can remove three or four key individuals and not suffer creatively.
We will go through and all this will be forgotten about in two weeks time. COYB

Steve Lyth
12 Posted 22/09/2007 at 13:10:57

Dave Usher you are right about the best squad we have had in a while, what a shame the manager cant achieve anything with them.
Rooney could see what Moyes was all about, the man cant work with talent, he never had it as a player and he doesnt have it as a manager.Its a shame Kenwright has a similar disposition, because we would have been well shot of the clown after our last European sojourn. Moyes out Sparky in.

EFC
13 Posted 22/09/2007 at 13:53:37

We will never win anything until moyes dropd neville and hibbert.there the worst passers in the prem

David
14 Posted 22/09/2007 at 14:06:30

Matthew Sweeney The point is, it is not one fucking game its week after week of shit football. MOYES OUT

James Elworthy
15 Posted 22/09/2007 at 14:12:06

I know some of the community coaches at Goodison, the word was 2 years ago Irvine threatened to leave as Moyses was too hands on in training as as the coach he wasn’t able to do his job probably. Moyses had to take a slightly lesser role to appease Irvine. I am not impressed by Moyses doing the warm up before the match either. I think managers have roles and coaches have roles and the manager shouldnt have to warm up the players I am surprised Moyes doesnt drive the team coach and empty the bins at Bellefield

Ray Robinson
16 Posted 21/09/2007 at 18:27:18

Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu all shite are they?

Common thread: neanderthal tactics from manager reducing chances in open play to nil. Hoofball from defenders bypassing midfield.

Consequence: frustrated forwards, facing the wrong way all the time, having to deal with head high passes. No width, crosses from the wing or pacey interplay.

Conclusion: loss of confdence. Players made to look worse than they are. Hostile crowd reaction. Further loss of confidence. Penalty blasted into orbit.

Come on can all our forwards really be that bad?