The Mail Bag
A view from the Brum
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As an Aston Villa fan I am suprised by how negative you scousers are. You have a good team. Obviously you are mising a few key players like Arteta, Cahill and Vaughan but if we where missing Young, Carew and Barry it would be exactly the same.
Us Brummies could see you had injury prolems but if we were in the same situation we wouldn't be able to put out a team like you did yesterday. I think our starting line-ups are similar but you have more strength in depth than us.
This was my view on the game: You started off the brighter with Johnson looking lively but our goal killed you. I have got to be honest I have been waiting for Big John Carew to put a performance like that in since last season. He dominated two very good, strong, quick centre-halfs in Yobo and Lescott. Hopefully you can get the same from Yakubu who on his day can also be unplayable.
Leighton Baines looked a good steady player who I have always rated. Kept Gabby in his pocket for most of the game despite having an disadvantage in terms of pace. I also liked the look of Steven Pienaar who gradually improved as the game went on. He looked a little lightweight at times against Bouma but looks very skillful and technical footballer. Another good signing once he settles in if you ask me.
All in all it was a dull game where both the Villains and the Toffees created nothing. Yakubu looked your best striker when he came on but I am told to believe he was dropped because of his poor workrate which I can understand. Just another question why is Phil "Lurch" Neville in your starting line up? The sooner you get him out the better. Barry controlled the game and Neville couldn't get near him. Jagielka did alright and to be honest I was wishing we could have signed him as he would have filled our right-back role instead of Mellberg.
Anyway, dont get disheartened Evertonians you have a good team and once you get your key players back I can see you finsihing in the top 8 easily.
John Woods, Posted 24/09/2007 at 16:07:38
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Micheal Kenrick
Top 8!?! But that's the whole point, Brummie: what's good enough for you lot is medicrity for us. We expect better. Always have, always will. Yes, we have our perennial apologists who will excuse and rationalise any and all current failings but at the core of the Everton support is (I firmly believe) a strong centre that is desparate to see us doing better and above all playing better football. And that means beating the likes of Aston Villa on their own turf, or at least giving them a stern test and showing we know what to do when in possesssion of the ball. We did neither, which is why they all deserrtve a right good bollocking. Now git back to whatever it is yow Brummies do with yerselves and stop moidering us!
Karl Masters
1 Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:41:58
1 Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:41:58
Shame on you Michael. That lad didn’t have to write in and just because he doesn’t share your suicidal view on Everton doesn’t mean you have to be so rude.
Emabarrassing and depressing. I’m through with this website and to be honest I’m now able to see why we’ve been labelled ’Bitter Blues’ by some. People like you and Marsh need to get a life....before you go pop from a coronary or something.
Emabarrassing and depressing. I’m through with this website and to be honest I’m now able to see why we’ve been labelled ’Bitter Blues’ by some. People like you and Marsh need to get a life....before you go pop from a coronary or something.
Michael Newton
2 Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:51:03
2 Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:51:03
Good points Brummie.
Trevor Tannenbaum
3 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:03:53
3 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:03:53
Completely agree with Karl. Someone gives there opinion from a different angle and we have to have a pop back. Reading on this sie is so depressing lately, few bad results and the world ends. Were better off than some, and it will get better. Give Moyes a chance once he has a few players back. Fingers crossed still in Europe and were move on and up. Just people stop moaning for a second, and think we could be Leeds, and you realise its not so bad.
Connor Rohrer
4 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:09:06
4 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:09:06
Micheal, you are a joke lad. You obviously know fuck all about football if you ask me. If anything an Aston Villa fan has similar ambitions to us. They have a similar history and have similar level of players as ourselves.
Where do you expect us to finish? Top 8 usually means 5th-8th which would be good for us in my opinion. Whilst I would like to see us in the top four or winning the league you have to be realistic.
I agree the football hasnt been brilliant but we where missing 5 or 6 key players. The better players you have on the pitch the better you play as far as im concerened. As John Woods said if you they lost Barry, Young and Carew it would be exactly the same for them.
He pointed out alot of points from the game and was giving his opinion from a different angle.
Maybe you should give Colm or Lyndon a go at posting as they actually talk sense.
Where do you expect us to finish? Top 8 usually means 5th-8th which would be good for us in my opinion. Whilst I would like to see us in the top four or winning the league you have to be realistic.
I agree the football hasnt been brilliant but we where missing 5 or 6 key players. The better players you have on the pitch the better you play as far as im concerened. As John Woods said if you they lost Barry, Young and Carew it would be exactly the same for them.
He pointed out alot of points from the game and was giving his opinion from a different angle.
Maybe you should give Colm or Lyndon a go at posting as they actually talk sense.
vin bleu
5 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:07:39
5 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:07:39
Thank you Brummie for your words of encouragement. Unfortunately this web site harbours some rude, stupid and bitter bigots - they have neither self respect or an opinion worth reading. They wouldn’t recognise a balanced comment if it bit them. So don’t be discouraged by Micheal Kenrick - I thank you for a view from a different angle, most of which I agree with. Congratulations on your win - best of luck for the season.
Andy Morden
6 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:26:27
6 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:26:27
It must be siad I find the Brummie baiting a bit harsh, being a "Brummie" and a Toffee too.
Graham Nolan
7 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:41:24
7 Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:41:24
Absolutely no need for Micaels over the top response to what was a sympathetic comment from an Aston Villa fan.
I love this website and log on everyday, but comments like Michaels response lead me to loathe Toffeeweb. This is my first port of call for all things Everton related but with comments like Michaels I can’t help feel that those who run and monitor this website are blinkered and can’t even accept what was effectively a genuine "chin up" message with grace but rather crassness.
I love this website and log on everyday, but comments like Michaels response lead me to loathe Toffeeweb. This is my first port of call for all things Everton related but with comments like Michaels I can’t help feel that those who run and monitor this website are blinkered and can’t even accept what was effectively a genuine "chin up" message with grace but rather crassness.
Tony miller
8 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:08:17
8 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:08:17
A decent fan of another team gives a balanced opinion and the editor of this site acts like a WUM from BBC 606, disappointing to say the least.
Garry Nickson
9 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:47:34
9 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:47:34
Unfortunately, Michael’s response is typical of the ’Toffeeweb point of view’. If Michael thinks he represents the ’core of Everton support’ than I can only hope he’s as deluded as he is negative.
Tom Collie
10 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:54:46
10 Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:54:46
A genuine Villa fan?? Yeah right.
Moyes is rightfully coming under pressure for his incompetence, the Everton PR machine spins into life with their usual bogus postings.
Moyes is rightfully coming under pressure for his incompetence, the Everton PR machine spins into life with their usual bogus postings.
steve pugh
11 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:12:46
11 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:12:46
we deserved the shit from the villa fans because we gave it to them on a plate, they were not great, we were shit end of story
christmas come early for them
forget all the bullshit ive read today we deserved nothing from this game, ask all the fans that left before the final whistle, and the few who stayed till the end, we did not boo but wasn’t phil nev pissed off when we would not respond to his clapping
we gave the team great support but it was not right
time to earn your pay rise moysey
the natives are getting restless
christmas come early for them
forget all the bullshit ive read today we deserved nothing from this game, ask all the fans that left before the final whistle, and the few who stayed till the end, we did not boo but wasn’t phil nev pissed off when we would not respond to his clapping
we gave the team great support but it was not right
time to earn your pay rise moysey
the natives are getting restless
steve pugh
12 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:33:10
12 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:33:10
just went on efc website and cant believe the post about jags in midfield, ps boys if you dont go to the matches then dont add your comments cause phil and jags were awful together. i cant remember one descent pass to our player,all blocked, total breakdown, spent more time looking at the villa fans, laughing at us,it aint funny
then got home for motd2
and moyes says we we in the game,not this one ,
cut the crap davey we are better than that
here’s to weds at weds
then got home for motd2
and moyes says we we in the game,not this one ,
cut the crap davey we are better than that
here’s to weds at weds
Connor Rohrer
13 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:50:08
13 Posted 25/09/2007 at 00:50:08
Steve, I agree with you about Jagielka and Neville as they just dont do it but Jagielka and Gravesen would be a different story. Both players would compliment each other as Jagielka likes to play alongside someone more talented with the ball whereas Gravesen likes a midfield enforcer behind him. Neville is a joke and the sooner he’s moved to right back the better.
I actually did leave before the final wistle something I dont do often which tells everyone how bad we where. Moyes can make excuses but we played awful.
I am not to downhearted though. Once we get some key players back then I will se what level we are at. Hopefully we have improved on last season and can kick on but only time will tell.
I actually did leave before the final wistle something I dont do often which tells everyone how bad we where. Moyes can make excuses but we played awful.
I am not to downhearted though. Once we get some key players back then I will se what level we are at. Hopefully we have improved on last season and can kick on but only time will tell.
Matthew Sweeney
14 Posted 25/09/2007 at 01:10:22
14 Posted 25/09/2007 at 01:10:22
Michael, you bring down the name of Everton supporters. Grow up.
ToffeeBlue
15 Posted 25/09/2007 at 02:10:46
15 Posted 25/09/2007 at 02:10:46
I’d like to thank John Woods for his honest comments. He has shown that football is a world game, NOT life itself.
Karl Masters, a thank you to you as well for expressing what most sane football supporters think.
Karl Masters, a thank you to you as well for expressing what most sane football supporters think.
Terence Leong
16 Posted 25/09/2007 at 04:12:22
16 Posted 25/09/2007 at 04:12:22
I would like to commend John Woods, ToffeeBlue and Karl Masters for their balanced views.This is not meant to be read as a personal slagging, but I can’t help but wonder:
1. Yes, everyone is entitled to their views, and in opinions, it comes with a fair bit of emotive responses.
2. Can Michael Kenrick explain why he chides others for supposedly strong views e.g. Tony Marsh but in turns gives strong responses to others? In fact, I do recall in his entries before about not making it vindictive etc etc.
3. Ultimately, what does it mean to have a freedom of expression in this kind of "mailbags"? I would think that hey, we can be entitled to our views, but we can be honest without being brutal. And in this case, the editor of this website seems to preach these rules, and sees himself as an exception.
4. Don’t get me wrong, I visit this everyday (few times a day @ least) cos I think all things considered, it’s a fantastic independent fansite. I will continue to do so.
5. I like what ToffeeBlue says, the game is a world game. People see them too, are entitled to their opinions, and sometimes as outsiders see things more clearly than fans, who are partisan and sometimes too "partisan" to see things in perspective.
6. I agree with Michael Kenrick that @ the core, Everton Supporters are about Nil Satis, Nisi Optimum. I admit that I’m growing concerned about Moyes’ ability to take us to the next step.
I would like Everton to win the league sometime soon as well, and won’t want to settle for just "top 8".
7. All things considered, let Moyes have his fair stab at playing "proper" football with his full squad. If it still hasn’t happened by then, then the criticism is justifiable.
8. One question has always been - how would any manager play it differently (more attractive, more attacking) if they have the same squad of players? If they would have, then fair game. Moyes is not good for us. But if these players had previously thrived in a much more attractive set up, then I think we can seriously question the suitability of Moyes as the one to take us forward.
1. Yes, everyone is entitled to their views, and in opinions, it comes with a fair bit of emotive responses.
2. Can Michael Kenrick explain why he chides others for supposedly strong views e.g. Tony Marsh but in turns gives strong responses to others? In fact, I do recall in his entries before about not making it vindictive etc etc.
3. Ultimately, what does it mean to have a freedom of expression in this kind of "mailbags"? I would think that hey, we can be entitled to our views, but we can be honest without being brutal. And in this case, the editor of this website seems to preach these rules, and sees himself as an exception.
4. Don’t get me wrong, I visit this everyday (few times a day @ least) cos I think all things considered, it’s a fantastic independent fansite. I will continue to do so.
5. I like what ToffeeBlue says, the game is a world game. People see them too, are entitled to their opinions, and sometimes as outsiders see things more clearly than fans, who are partisan and sometimes too "partisan" to see things in perspective.
6. I agree with Michael Kenrick that @ the core, Everton Supporters are about Nil Satis, Nisi Optimum. I admit that I’m growing concerned about Moyes’ ability to take us to the next step.
I would like Everton to win the league sometime soon as well, and won’t want to settle for just "top 8".
7. All things considered, let Moyes have his fair stab at playing "proper" football with his full squad. If it still hasn’t happened by then, then the criticism is justifiable.
8. One question has always been - how would any manager play it differently (more attractive, more attacking) if they have the same squad of players? If they would have, then fair game. Moyes is not good for us. But if these players had previously thrived in a much more attractive set up, then I think we can seriously question the suitability of Moyes as the one to take us forward.
Brian Waring
17 Posted 25/09/2007 at 09:44:25
17 Posted 25/09/2007 at 09:44:25
If this lad is a genuine Villa fan,I’ll eat my hat.What next?Someone under the guise of a redshite,saying how lucky we are to have such a great side and manager.
Seamus Murphy
18 Posted 25/09/2007 at 11:51:25
18 Posted 25/09/2007 at 11:51:25
Brian - I’m with you mate, there’s no way this is from a Villa fan.
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