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Are Everton going to lose every Premiership game directly after a Euro fixture? Newcastle scored their winning goals late on so I'm assuming that Everton legs/minds were tired after Thursday's ordeal.
At least AJ got the off the mark. Surprised Moyes dropped Stubbs ? he played well helping to keep our only two clean sheets this season;, Yobo was awful against Metalist.
John Cottee, Posted 07/10/2007 at 16:49:28
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Paul Coleman
2 Posted 07/10/2007 at 16:47:31
2 Posted 07/10/2007 at 16:47:31
Why does Moyes persist in playing Osman because he always fucks things up and does nothing for the team. He should have stayed on the bench!
We also need to get to January and buy a quality centre midfielder. The midfield is letting us down big time and unless it is sorted in January I predict nothing this year other than midtable obscurity and early exits from the cups.
Peter Singer
3 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:54:18
3 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:54:18
Paul, Pienaar was obviously tired.
You’re right about the predictions, Moyes should definitely sort out the defense which he should be able to do. The aim must be tighter defense with less players.
You’re right about the predictions, Moyes should definitely sort out the defense which he should be able to do. The aim must be tighter defense with less players.
Viv
4 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:56:33
4 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:56:33
Im glad other people are noticing Yobos total lack of quality at the moment.
I’d be screaming for him to be dropped if it wasn’t for Stubbs being too old. All respect to Stubbs, pure class, total commitment and heart, just a bit slow and heavy now...
We need something else in the middle, why not let Jag have a go. He cant play worse than he does in midfield and who knows, maybe we will finally find out why he was worth 6M!
So Yobo out, Nev-Les-Jag-Baines; Pace and strength.
I’d be screaming for him to be dropped if it wasn’t for Stubbs being too old. All respect to Stubbs, pure class, total commitment and heart, just a bit slow and heavy now...
We need something else in the middle, why not let Jag have a go. He cant play worse than he does in midfield and who knows, maybe we will finally find out why he was worth 6M!
So Yobo out, Nev-Les-Jag-Baines; Pace and strength.
Dick Fearon
5 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:39:08
5 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:39:08
Michael says the game was transformed by Newcastle?s second half subs yet it was the Everton sub that I believe was more crucial.
Glad that Diddyman Pienaar was subbed, dismayed that Diddyman Osman was his replacement.
The commentator said it was a case of like for like, he could also have said, a piss weak flyweight for an even more piss weak featherweight. There must be places in which Pienar and Osman would not physically be out of their depth but I can?t think of any right now. One thing of which I am sure is that mid field of an EPL game at St. James Park is not one of those places.
Brian Waring
6 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:55:38
6 Posted 07/10/2007 at 22:55:38
It was mentioned the other night,that if the Metalist players had that bit more quality to have put their chances away, that we would now be out ,as we would have been punished for our defensive errors.Well,I think today proved that,because Newcastle had that bit of quality that could put the ball away,after we made defensive errors.And that’s going to be our problem,if we don’t sort it out as the better sides in europe will punish us.
Tony Marsh
7 Posted 08/10/2007 at 01:06:50
7 Posted 08/10/2007 at 01:06:50
It amazes me how some of our fans will blame everything and everyone for our dismal showings yet they refuse to blame Moyes for any of it. The reason why are strikers struggle is because of the tactics Moyes uses. The same applies to the defence. If you play hoofball, the round object comes straight back at you and you have to defend more. If the ball is constantly being given to the other side and you invite pressure on you then mistakes will be made. Its not fucking rocket science.
Stop blaming players for DM's miserableapproach to the game. I am getting sick at looking at his gormless Gollum-features screaming and shouting at the lads. They can't breath without him yelling ... and you wonder why mistakes are being made. FFS open your eyes will you.
Stop blaming players for DM's miserableapproach to the game. I am getting sick at looking at his gormless Gollum-features screaming and shouting at the lads. They can't breath without him yelling ... and you wonder why mistakes are being made. FFS open your eyes will you.
Steve Carter
8 Posted 08/10/2007 at 01:45:39
8 Posted 08/10/2007 at 01:45:39
I?m not with you, Tony Marsh. Moyes clearly lifted the players at half-time. We should have won. Moyes is not responsible for Anichebe having two cracks at a sitter and air-swinging both. Moyes is not responsible for a goalkeeper not being able to away something that he?s got a clear look at from 30 yards (you think Cech or vd Sar wouldn?t have?). And he?s not responsible for five gormless fuckwits (including Howard) not being able to mark/out-jump a midget.
Jay Harris
9 Posted 08/10/2007 at 05:23:12
9 Posted 08/10/2007 at 05:23:12
Steve Carter.
You are totally wrong.Of course the manager?s responsible for those mistakes. They are his players, his tactics, his organisation. As Tony rightly says, if you play the game Moyes way you invite pressure. I think he was a good manger with 11 players playing 4-5-1 that would get you out of the trenches but is now totally out of his depth with quality players and modern tactics that have learned how to beat 4-5-1. I watched other games today and cringed about how good the other so-called poorer teams were compared to us. We play shite so who do you blame for that??
You are totally wrong.Of course the manager?s responsible for those mistakes. They are his players, his tactics, his organisation. As Tony rightly says, if you play the game Moyes way you invite pressure. I think he was a good manger with 11 players playing 4-5-1 that would get you out of the trenches but is now totally out of his depth with quality players and modern tactics that have learned how to beat 4-5-1. I watched other games today and cringed about how good the other so-called poorer teams were compared to us. We play shite so who do you blame for that??
Nick Xenos
10 Posted 08/10/2007 at 06:18:26
10 Posted 08/10/2007 at 06:18:26
Totally agree with Tony and Jay, and it’s no knee-jerk reaction. We have been poor all season except for the Spurs game and the last 20 minutes at Bolton. Something’s gotta give!
Dutch Scaffaer
11 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:09:07
11 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:09:07
Everton beat Metalist and go through to the group stages of the UEFA Cup and we dont hear a peep out of Tony Marsh, as soon as Everton lose he’s back spouting his normal anti-Moyes fluff.
Does it hurt when Everton win Tony? Is that why you always disappear after a victory? Why do you delight in defeat? Don’t you realise how much a defeat hurts us without you rubbing it in?
Question is why do I care? After all Tony Marsh is the guy who claimed last season would fall apart, Lescott was the new Kroldrup, this seasons Euro campaign would never get off the ground and that Yakubu was going to be an Everton legend. That last one may be true for all the wrong reasons.
Does it hurt when Everton win Tony? Is that why you always disappear after a victory? Why do you delight in defeat? Don’t you realise how much a defeat hurts us without you rubbing it in?
Question is why do I care? After all Tony Marsh is the guy who claimed last season would fall apart, Lescott was the new Kroldrup, this seasons Euro campaign would never get off the ground and that Yakubu was going to be an Everton legend. That last one may be true for all the wrong reasons.
Neil McKinney
12 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:51:12
12 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:51:12
I agree that Moyes seems to be clueless about tactics sometimes. Especially as far as attacking football is concerned.
However, whilst Moyes has to take responsibility for players mistakes, I refuse to focus all my displeasure at him. I will continue to scrutinise Moyes’s tactics, or lack of, but footballers are responsible for the basic stuff. When Yobo failed to mark Owen for the 3rd goal it had fuck all to do with tactics!
Jay Harris - You couldn’t be more transparrent in your anti-Moyes stance, but don’t let that distract you from the fact that individuals aren’t performing either. Individual errors are individual errors and have nothing to do with tactics. I agree that we invite pressure and that increases the opportunity for players to make mistakes.
I blame Moyes for team selection, formation and tactics. I do not blame him for Anichebe missing sitters and Yob failing to pick people up, especially midgets!
Moyes has a lot to answer for and is ultimately responsible for the teams performance and results, but players are payed a lot more than managers in most cases and I feel it is too easy to blame the manager for their shortcomings.
Let’s hope things improve in the next game.
COYB
However, whilst Moyes has to take responsibility for players mistakes, I refuse to focus all my displeasure at him. I will continue to scrutinise Moyes’s tactics, or lack of, but footballers are responsible for the basic stuff. When Yobo failed to mark Owen for the 3rd goal it had fuck all to do with tactics!
Jay Harris - You couldn’t be more transparrent in your anti-Moyes stance, but don’t let that distract you from the fact that individuals aren’t performing either. Individual errors are individual errors and have nothing to do with tactics. I agree that we invite pressure and that increases the opportunity for players to make mistakes.
I blame Moyes for team selection, formation and tactics. I do not blame him for Anichebe missing sitters and Yob failing to pick people up, especially midgets!
Moyes has a lot to answer for and is ultimately responsible for the teams performance and results, but players are payed a lot more than managers in most cases and I feel it is too easy to blame the manager for their shortcomings.
Let’s hope things improve in the next game.
COYB
pietro de seta
13 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:20:20
13 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:20:20
It’s so boring...always the same promises, always the same "we are confident, this is the start of new era, the beginning of the season, we must build on it..." bla bla bla, only weak words. Everytime we have to step up, everytime we have to build on a positive result, WE SIMPLY LOSE POORLY..we simply make the same defensive mistakes...
I’m simply bored...we wanted Europe and we are not able to win 2 (I say TWO) matches in a row...even fulham or derby are able to di so, are able to play and win, but not us. We do the homework and nothing else. Which homework? Just saying we are back, we are strong, we’ve got depth, so depth and so strong that we don’t win...boring boring everton...sad to say that but boring boring everton...and in a fortnight we’re having the derby...I haven’t waited for so many years a derby like this...I just want to see if we are really so strong, and have really so depth......boring boring everton............................
I’m simply bored...we wanted Europe and we are not able to win 2 (I say TWO) matches in a row...even fulham or derby are able to di so, are able to play and win, but not us. We do the homework and nothing else. Which homework? Just saying we are back, we are strong, we’ve got depth, so depth and so strong that we don’t win...boring boring everton...sad to say that but boring boring everton...and in a fortnight we’re having the derby...I haven’t waited for so many years a derby like this...I just want to see if we are really so strong, and have really so depth......boring boring everton............................
John Holmes
14 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:41:18
14 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:41:18
Yobo has not become a bad player overnight. He, like the rest of the defence, is suffering from the inconsistency of team selection. Incidentally he’s also recovering from illness which may have contributed to being a little off the pace in the last couple of matches.
Tony,
Moyes has to take some of the blame but I wonder if you’ve been watching any of the last few games because we haven’t been playing as much hoofball. In periods yes but not for whole matches. The problems have been more in the defence and our lack of cutting edge to get through defences.
Tony,
Moyes has to take some of the blame but I wonder if you’ve been watching any of the last few games because we haven’t been playing as much hoofball. In periods yes but not for whole matches. The problems have been more in the defence and our lack of cutting edge to get through defences.
William Haigh
15 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:12:19
15 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:12:19
Everton’s defence IS abysmal at present and Liverpool will slaughter us if Torres & Co are on form. Apart from a solid back four, Everton need a solid defensive midfielder as a first line of defence. I glean from foregoing emails that Yobo is unwell? So he needs a rest. Jagielka, it seems is a central defender, so pair him with Lescott, keeping the ever-faithful Stubsie in reserve. I know we need Lescott’s goals but he’ll still score from set pieces. Incidentally what has happened to Valente? He’s always chosen for Portugal .... is he injured at times of World & European Cups (?) & Portugal always do OK in tournaments. Neville, as Captain, must stay in the team and is best as right back, as he is a great crosser of the ball. If Carsley cannot regain his form why not try defender Hibbert as the mid-fielder in front of the defence? He deserves to be play as he is one who can defend. Also, is Arteta injure or maybe he was just off form for the last couple of matches. We certianly need some more weight in midfield .... with the enlarged squad this season, there must be someone who can play as holding midfielder/sweeper? Just some thoughts ... no doubt some in the Postbag will give me stick for this entry?
JL Slap
16 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:16:07
16 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:16:07
No response from Marshy after Dutch pointed out a few of his ’brilliant’ predictions.
You want Moyes out, we get it. But you do talk some shite lad
You want Moyes out, we get it. But you do talk some shite lad
Paul Tran
17 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:31:34
17 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:31:34
Very easy to have a go at some of Tony Marsh’s predictions, but I don’t hear anyone answering his key point that if you play in your own half and constantly give the ball away, you invite pressure and make your mistakes near your own goal.
Three or four years ago, Moyes hadn’t had the time or money to build a decent squad of his own. Now he has improved the squad, we have the same problems, win,lose, or draw.
If you disagree, that’s your call, but let’s argue the main points, rather than playground taunting.
By the way, I love it when we win and hate seeing us lose. I keep seeing the same problems in this team, regardless of the results!
Three or four years ago, Moyes hadn’t had the time or money to build a decent squad of his own. Now he has improved the squad, we have the same problems, win,lose, or draw.
If you disagree, that’s your call, but let’s argue the main points, rather than playground taunting.
By the way, I love it when we win and hate seeing us lose. I keep seeing the same problems in this team, regardless of the results!
Paul Atress
18 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:36:46
18 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:36:46
Yakubu is going to be a legend. You crack me up Tony. You slag off Moyes but back a player like Yakubu.
A legend? He’ll be gone in January. Awful player.
A legend? He’ll be gone in January. Awful player.
Paul Tran
19 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:40:30
19 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:40:30
Who had Yakubu watched?
Who paid £11m for him?
Who bought him without apparently giving a moment’s thought about how we will create chances for him?
How come he scored for fun at Portsmouth and Boro?
Is there a pattern emerging here?
Who paid £11m for him?
Who bought him without apparently giving a moment’s thought about how we will create chances for him?
How come he scored for fun at Portsmouth and Boro?
Is there a pattern emerging here?
Peter Roberts
20 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:02:57
20 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:02:57
Gavin Ramejkis
You say Owen always bags a goal against us? From what I can recall he has only ever scored twice against us in about 11 games. Explain that one...
You say Owen always bags a goal against us? From what I can recall he has only ever scored twice against us in about 11 games. Explain that one...
Tony Marsh
21 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:55:11
21 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:55:11
Some of you lot are really thick especially Dutch and Atress.Please tell me how a player who is second only to Thierry Henry in goal scoring suddenly becomes useless over night? Answer Moyes.
Yakubu is not a running down channels type of player .He gets
no service what so ever because of the tactics and if we was else where he would of been banging them in.How do I know that?Well he has done it at every other club he has been at.Another example is AJ who has scored once since March and what about Beattie?No goals in 2 years under Deadly Dave
and now topping the goals charts
after 3 months at Sheff Utd with 8 in 7 games.You cant tell me all these players arent suffering because of the regime they play under.Slagging off players who are being played out of position
or being made to play in a useless fashion by the managrer. is pathetic. This is no longer Smiths side it DMs and has cost us a right few quid to assemble so blame the manager.Dutch you really are a sycophantic tosser lad.You havent got a clue about football if you think the Kharkiv game was anything ti be proud of.Wait untill Bayern Munich and co have at Moyes and Irvines team. God give me strength
Yakubu is not a running down channels type of player .He gets
no service what so ever because of the tactics and if we was else where he would of been banging them in.How do I know that?Well he has done it at every other club he has been at.Another example is AJ who has scored once since March and what about Beattie?No goals in 2 years under Deadly Dave
and now topping the goals charts
after 3 months at Sheff Utd with 8 in 7 games.You cant tell me all these players arent suffering because of the regime they play under.Slagging off players who are being played out of position
or being made to play in a useless fashion by the managrer. is pathetic. This is no longer Smiths side it DMs and has cost us a right few quid to assemble so blame the manager.Dutch you really are a sycophantic tosser lad.You havent got a clue about football if you think the Kharkiv game was anything ti be proud of.Wait untill Bayern Munich and co have at Moyes and Irvines team. God give me strength
steve
22 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:46:35
22 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:46:35
can anyone tell me about the south africain takeover?
steve jones
23 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:25:05
23 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:25:05
I have to say I agree with Tony’s points. His first post is pretty much what I said in a psot to the mail bag last week.
It is clear we invite pressure onto ourselves by hoofing out meaning it comes back at us more often than not and that we do not play to the strengths of our strikers. Yakubu needs to be allowed to play his natural game or we will never see the best of him. As far as I’m concerned he can do sod all for 89 mins if he gets the winner every week.
When Kroldrup left he said
"I still believe I could have done well in The Premiership. But, playing in Italy, there is a lot more emphasis on technical skills. I am used to coaches and fans that like to see you play your way out of trouble and pass the ball to a team-mate."
To me that says it all about Moyes’s tactics and it is clear his defenders mentality is restricting his tactics & vision.
I am not a Moyes hater & do not even believe he should be sacked. He must however realise that we are not fighting relegation anymore & the more you keep the ball & attack the less pressure you put on yourselves & the more likely you are to score & win games. It’s painfully basic & obvious.
Moyes has spent £25m on 3 strikers now (Beattie, Johnson & Yakubu) and they have all scored less than anywhere else under his stewardship. We must be more postive & play to win & build the team around Yakubu.
It is clear we invite pressure onto ourselves by hoofing out meaning it comes back at us more often than not and that we do not play to the strengths of our strikers. Yakubu needs to be allowed to play his natural game or we will never see the best of him. As far as I’m concerned he can do sod all for 89 mins if he gets the winner every week.
When Kroldrup left he said
"I still believe I could have done well in The Premiership. But, playing in Italy, there is a lot more emphasis on technical skills. I am used to coaches and fans that like to see you play your way out of trouble and pass the ball to a team-mate."
To me that says it all about Moyes’s tactics and it is clear his defenders mentality is restricting his tactics & vision.
I am not a Moyes hater & do not even believe he should be sacked. He must however realise that we are not fighting relegation anymore & the more you keep the ball & attack the less pressure you put on yourselves & the more likely you are to score & win games. It’s painfully basic & obvious.
Moyes has spent £25m on 3 strikers now (Beattie, Johnson & Yakubu) and they have all scored less than anywhere else under his stewardship. We must be more postive & play to win & build the team around Yakubu.
Dutch Schaffaer
24 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:45:24
24 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:45:24
What are you talking about Tony? I can totally admit Moyes screwed up when he brought in Yakubu. In fact my faith in Moyes has been severly damaged because of that awful decision.
Sure he can score a goal if you provide him with severall chances but he is not the type of player who is going to fit into the Moyes Everton.
I have no idea what made Moyes think he could use Yakubu, maybe it was desperation because he was the only top-striker available and some fans (like Tony) were demanding he sign someone.
Whatever the reason Moyes royally screwed up.
Tony’s argument that Yakubu really is a good player wasted at Everton is very silly. Have you seen this guy in action?
Yakubu is a bad player, he doesn’t hold the ball very well, he hasn’t got alot of pace and his work-rate is piss-poor.
The Yak’s lack of talent is clear for all to see and has nothing to do with the style of football Everton play.
Andy Johnson is suffering because Everton do not create enough chances but at least he continues to work his socks off and cause problems for oppsosing defenders, something the Yak has so far failed to do.
And your right Tony, this isn’t Smith’s team anymore. What gave it away? The fact that Everton no longer fight relegation or that we are currently a Top 10 Prem side and into the group stages of the UEFA Cup?
Sure he can score a goal if you provide him with severall chances but he is not the type of player who is going to fit into the Moyes Everton.
I have no idea what made Moyes think he could use Yakubu, maybe it was desperation because he was the only top-striker available and some fans (like Tony) were demanding he sign someone.
Whatever the reason Moyes royally screwed up.
Tony’s argument that Yakubu really is a good player wasted at Everton is very silly. Have you seen this guy in action?
Yakubu is a bad player, he doesn’t hold the ball very well, he hasn’t got alot of pace and his work-rate is piss-poor.
The Yak’s lack of talent is clear for all to see and has nothing to do with the style of football Everton play.
Andy Johnson is suffering because Everton do not create enough chances but at least he continues to work his socks off and cause problems for oppsosing defenders, something the Yak has so far failed to do.
And your right Tony, this isn’t Smith’s team anymore. What gave it away? The fact that Everton no longer fight relegation or that we are currently a Top 10 Prem side and into the group stages of the UEFA Cup?
Nick Xenos
25 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:59:16
25 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:59:16
Tony, don’t bother mate. Maybe people on here will start to take notice when we get tonked in the UEFA Cup. Hope I’m wrong but from what I’ve witnessed so far this season, I very much doubt it.
Gavin Ramejkis
26 Posted 08/10/2007 at 18:38:14
26 Posted 08/10/2007 at 18:38:14
Peter Roberts statto medal of the week to you, but is it me for thinking that cripples and once or twice a goal a season players always have the knack of scoring against us? I could easily have put money on a returning still injured Owen getting a goal and that it would be a comical fuck up; a free header from a midget? It’s been going on for years, ex red shite especially
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1 Posted 07/10/2007 at 16:56:42