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The end for Moyes
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If West Ham win their game in hand then Everton will be in the bottom half of the table after 9 games. After all the time he has been given, all the money he has spent and all the embarrassing performances we have witnessed, surely this is the end for Moyes. Bottom half is not good enough and it certainly isn't progress. Because of the investment financially most Evertonians would say we have our best team on paper for many years. But this is because of the investment and not Moyes. His signings have been a mixture of success and failure but if you keep spending money the squad is bound to improve.
We currently have strikers who can't score, midfielders who can't pass and now a defence which has kept 2 clean sheets in 12 games. We have centre backs playing at full back, centre backs playing centre midfield and if Lescott keeps scoring well probably have a centre back up front. It was obvious during close season that we needed quality central midfielders and Moyes failed to address this. A couple of injuries and were left with Neville and Carsley in the middle. So after all this time and money were right back where it all started, fighting relegation.
Tom Sullivan, Posted 07/10/2007 at 18:51:09
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Anthony Newell
1 Posted 07/10/2007 at 20:36:39
1 Posted 07/10/2007 at 20:36:39
And it goes on and on....
Yakubu on as sub on 90 minutes for midfield maestro Phil Neville whilst Hibbo at right back. Our record signing benched because he cannot be gainfully employed whilst our captain continues to do what he does worst in the engine room. BTW clever subsitution that, on 90 minutes
Some excerpts from today?s match reports:
"Everton were rarely seen as an attacking force in the first half"
"Everton created little going forward"
?Everton did not perform to their capabilities?
David Moyes:
"There was no tiredness after our Uefa Cup tie in the Ukraine. It was more down to our bad play."
"We've conceded five goals in our last two games and that is rubbish. The goals we conceded here were rubbish"
No mate, you are fucking rubbish, do one
Dan Pedersen
2 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:23:09
2 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:23:09
I think Moyes should be given until the end of the season. If we then finish in the second half of the table, and dont get into any cup finals, then the sack is a real possibility and something every Evertonian should consider. But, we need to give this season I reckon cause Moyes is also the guy who brought us back in the top 10 and into europe twice so lets back him for now and come back in the summer.
I must admit that his management looks really poor at times this season! Hopefully with a full squad things will improve.
I must admit that his management looks really poor at times this season! Hopefully with a full squad things will improve.
jimmy hoffa
3 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:26:21
3 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:26:21
I am just angry as hell. all the 3 goals we conceeded to the barcodes are from mistakes by the defenders namely our CM.
Why didn’t DM substitute Yobo early, instead he replaced Pinnear with Osman?
Furthermore, noticed that all our defeats are due to less than standard defending?
Why have we became so crappy in defending when defending was our main strength the last 4 seasons?
Why oh why? Why keep Yobo in the line up when he was the one responsible for the screw-up with the Metalist game?
Both Metalists goal from the middle due to Yobo’s late response. If Yobo was on the mark with his marking, both goals would’ve been averted?
Stefan Tosev
4 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:30:45
4 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:30:45
Its a bit over the top. Sure we lost and I keep question Moyes team choices but put it into perspective. It was our 4 game in 10 days and we lost in the end, which at least for me shows that we were tired.
We cant be calling for Moyes head after every draw or defeat, the cliche "they were for the taking" doesnt apply for every game,there is no such team which will win all games.
Its clear that he is not sure which are our best 11 and given that we are without Tim,Tommy and James and that we are still in Europe and Carling Cup I think that it will be fair to judge him in January or February.
We cant be calling for Moyes head after every draw or defeat, the cliche "they were for the taking" doesnt apply for every game,there is no such team which will win all games.
Its clear that he is not sure which are our best 11 and given that we are without Tim,Tommy and James and that we are still in Europe and Carling Cup I think that it will be fair to judge him in January or February.
Mark Pendleton
5 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:47:34
5 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:47:34
I agree with Michael. Having read a few threads this evening it dismays me to hear Yobo and Pienaar now being slagged off. Also, complaining about the defence in general. We don’t score and complaints are about how all DM cares about is a clean sheet and he doesn’t know how to send out an attacking side. We concede a few sloppy goals and he can’t get the team to defence. Some people just want to have a go at Moyes and will use anything to do that.
Right now i still believe we’re alot better off than many clubs. We have Cahill to come back, AJ to still get back and fit. Vaughan to come back. And the Yak to get used to how we play.
Right now i still believe we’re alot better off than many clubs. We have Cahill to come back, AJ to still get back and fit. Vaughan to come back. And the Yak to get used to how we play.
Ste Birkett
6 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:59:58
6 Posted 07/10/2007 at 23:59:58
It’s as predictable as a misplaced Phil Neville pass on here after a match. If we win, we’re making amazing progress and we’ll be the ones breaking into the top 4; if we lose we’re heading for a relegation fight and the manager needs to be sacked immediately.
As others have said, judge at the end of the season. If the new signings have proven a complete bust and weak cup exits have occurred, I’ll be right there with anyone saying Moyesey’s past his sell by date.
As others have said, judge at the end of the season. If the new signings have proven a complete bust and weak cup exits have occurred, I’ll be right there with anyone saying Moyesey’s past his sell by date.
Roy coyne
7 Posted 08/10/2007 at 00:42:48
7 Posted 08/10/2007 at 00:42:48
Any one who knows me realises I am no David Moyes fan, But its pointless calling for his head because unless the rumoured take over in the paper takes place Bill wont sack him to be honest all I want is for him to learn from his mistakes as I think thats his biggest down fall his idea of a plan B is pathetic But we are a couple of points of 5th place still in eufa cup and the micky mouse cup as well so his supporters have a point not that I am one of them as I like to see the ball passed around.
John Andrews
8 Posted 08/10/2007 at 00:37:22
8 Posted 08/10/2007 at 00:37:22
I don’t know if anybody has noticed yet but AJ will apparently not play for at least four weeks. This obviously means he will miss the derby.
As we have heard almost nothing of Gravesens injury and Cahill seems to be taking a lifetime to return would anybody like to speculate as to who will provide any sort of goal threat ?
Yakubu will never get used to the way we play due to having to chase lost causes hammered forward by whoever you would care to name. With the obvious exception of Arteta.
Speaking of Arteta, he looks decidedly unhappy and I think Moyes should try and get the January window postponed until the end of the season !
I suppose it will be Victor again. The poor sod runs his blood to water most games without any kind of service whatsoever.
I have not yet mentioned McFadden as I am still to be convinced that he has got what it takes. But I would be delighted to be proved 100% wrong.
Then again I am sure our wonderful manager will confound us all by playing an attacking formation, 4-3-3 ?, and beating the shite with ease.
The last paragraph was a bit of irony !
As we have heard almost nothing of Gravesens injury and Cahill seems to be taking a lifetime to return would anybody like to speculate as to who will provide any sort of goal threat ?
Yakubu will never get used to the way we play due to having to chase lost causes hammered forward by whoever you would care to name. With the obvious exception of Arteta.
Speaking of Arteta, he looks decidedly unhappy and I think Moyes should try and get the January window postponed until the end of the season !
I suppose it will be Victor again. The poor sod runs his blood to water most games without any kind of service whatsoever.
I have not yet mentioned McFadden as I am still to be convinced that he has got what it takes. But I would be delighted to be proved 100% wrong.
Then again I am sure our wonderful manager will confound us all by playing an attacking formation, 4-3-3 ?, and beating the shite with ease.
The last paragraph was a bit of irony !
Pete from NZ
9 Posted 08/10/2007 at 04:18:57
9 Posted 08/10/2007 at 04:18:57
Roy Coyne
Whats the rumoured take over you mention, being from the far side of the known world its hard to hear these rumours.
Whats the rumoured take over you mention, being from the far side of the known world its hard to hear these rumours.
Martin Cutler
10 Posted 08/10/2007 at 03:59:08
10 Posted 08/10/2007 at 03:59:08
I?m as pissed off as anybody that we lost to Newcastle (although I?m not surprised that we did) but calling for Moyes to leave is not going to fix the problems this season. Yeah, yeah, yeah...maybe in the long run BUT in the short run just maybe we?ll get Cahill and Gravesen and Vaughn back.......I?d bet my mortgage that Moyes can?t wait for that day to come!! Plus, it appears to me (and I don?t have the luxury of watching every game) that we are just totally non-existent in the midfield department.
With no decent midfield we are not going to create chances or dominate the middle of the field....or feed the forwards, with no midfield we are going to put more pressure on the defense (it?s baffled me why defensively we?re struggling this year compared to last). I think it speaks volumes for how poor we are when Lescott is the top goalscorer, good for him yes (and nothing to complain about...we need goals from everywhere) but Johnson, McFadden, Yakubu, Anichebe should all have more goals than a defender...am I wrong?
Osman is inconsistent and lightweight, McFadden is either crap or brilliant, Pienaar shows potential but it?ll take time, the team can?t support both Neville and Hibbert at the same time, Yakubu (even if he comes good) was NOT worth what we paid for him...especially when that same money could/should have been spent on the midfield, Yobo is apparently off form, Arteta too?
Anyway, all I?m saying is that the team desperately needs those injured to be back in the team... I think only then can we truly judge how good or bad the team is this season. There?s still time to get back up the table, we?re still in the League Cup with every chance of being in the QF?s and we?re in the group stage of the UEFA Cup........so it could be worse!
I hope that once the team is back up to full strength then things will be much improved.
One last note.........I?m the one that got the surprise trip back home for my birthday... I went to the Villa game and to be honest it was very disappointing...... actually both teams played crap (my friend who went with me supports the Villa and he was really pissed off at their display and they won!!)...... I thought the support from the Everton fans (although heavily outnumbered) was utterly fantastic though.... good on ya Toffee-fans!
With no decent midfield we are not going to create chances or dominate the middle of the field....or feed the forwards, with no midfield we are going to put more pressure on the defense (it?s baffled me why defensively we?re struggling this year compared to last). I think it speaks volumes for how poor we are when Lescott is the top goalscorer, good for him yes (and nothing to complain about...we need goals from everywhere) but Johnson, McFadden, Yakubu, Anichebe should all have more goals than a defender...am I wrong?
Osman is inconsistent and lightweight, McFadden is either crap or brilliant, Pienaar shows potential but it?ll take time, the team can?t support both Neville and Hibbert at the same time, Yakubu (even if he comes good) was NOT worth what we paid for him...especially when that same money could/should have been spent on the midfield, Yobo is apparently off form, Arteta too?
Anyway, all I?m saying is that the team desperately needs those injured to be back in the team... I think only then can we truly judge how good or bad the team is this season. There?s still time to get back up the table, we?re still in the League Cup with every chance of being in the QF?s and we?re in the group stage of the UEFA Cup........so it could be worse!
I hope that once the team is back up to full strength then things will be much improved.
One last note.........I?m the one that got the surprise trip back home for my birthday... I went to the Villa game and to be honest it was very disappointing...... actually both teams played crap (my friend who went with me supports the Villa and he was really pissed off at their display and they won!!)...... I thought the support from the Everton fans (although heavily outnumbered) was utterly fantastic though.... good on ya Toffee-fans!
Nick Xenos
11 Posted 08/10/2007 at 04:38:28
11 Posted 08/10/2007 at 04:38:28
Dissapointed at yesterday?s performance more than the actual result. In the end, the 3-2 scoreline probably flattered us a little if anything. I think we are playing some of the worst football in the league at the moment... even the likes of Sunderland are playing better!! Its a case of another match, same old story. Defence - shakey as hell, pumping long balls forward; Midfield - misplacing paces, unable to switch play, not supporting forwards; Forwards - running around like headless chickens chasing lost causes.
I don?t blame Yakubu, Anichebe, Johnson, and McFadden for not scoring as they are having to feed on crumbs. Most of the time when they get possession of the ball, they have to contend with 2-3 defenders on their own because they are so isolated from the midfield. I?m absolutely gutted at the moment. Bits of luck and individual brilliance have papered over the cracks until now, but how long is it before the wall starts caving in? Hope the return of Cahill and Gravesen will steady the ship.
Nick Xenos
12 Posted 08/10/2007 at 05:38:52
12 Posted 08/10/2007 at 05:38:52
..oh yeah and another thing, Arteta needs to play in the middle. I know he has down well on the flank in the past but we now need him in the middle. We need him playing in a position where he is facing the opposition?s goal in order to create and get more involved.. Moyes is choking his abilities on the right side where most of the time, he has his back turned towards goal.
Nick Xenos
13 Posted 08/10/2007 at 07:00:19
13 Posted 08/10/2007 at 07:00:19
..pls excuse my spelling errors, I am so angered by the way our team is playing that I’ve forgotten to spell. I’ve got a touch of the Nevilles shall we say.
Chris Dottie
14 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:13:45
14 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:13:45
I only started to check out Toffeeweb this summer and I’m going to have to stop now on doctor’s orders. My blood pressure goes through the roof reading these comments. God forbid we go back to being as bad as we were before Moyes arrived and you really have something to complain about. I was laughing at the RS booing off their team because they lost for the first time this season, but some blue noses are just as bad.
I would have made a lot of decisions differently from Moyes but you can’t argue with his results. Well you can if you’re always looking for something to moan about:
We have gone from fighting relegation for 15 years to being in Europe translates as "Well it’s because of the investment not him and anyway we haven’t done anything in Europe"
We have attracted and kept Cahill, Lescott, Arteta and Howard translates as "His transfers have been hit and miss".
We finished top 6 last year and top 4 a couple of years before that becomes "We still play hoofball and the defenders sometimes make mistakes"
No-one enjoys losing and no-one is pretending that Moyes is perfect and never makes a bad call but to slag him off as if he is dragging the blues down rather than having saved them from drowning is to my mind an almost masochistic determination to recognise the difference between where we are today and where we were under Dome 3 and Smith.
I would have made a lot of decisions differently from Moyes but you can’t argue with his results. Well you can if you’re always looking for something to moan about:
We have gone from fighting relegation for 15 years to being in Europe translates as "Well it’s because of the investment not him and anyway we haven’t done anything in Europe"
We have attracted and kept Cahill, Lescott, Arteta and Howard translates as "His transfers have been hit and miss".
We finished top 6 last year and top 4 a couple of years before that becomes "We still play hoofball and the defenders sometimes make mistakes"
No-one enjoys losing and no-one is pretending that Moyes is perfect and never makes a bad call but to slag him off as if he is dragging the blues down rather than having saved them from drowning is to my mind an almost masochistic determination to recognise the difference between where we are today and where we were under Dome 3 and Smith.
Ray
15 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:22:55
15 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:22:55
I appreciate that Moyes was the man who regained our top 10 place (embarrassing isnt it) but at the end of the day it hasnt taken Eriksson five and a half years to turn Man City from a dour shocking side into one that plays attacking and admittedly exciting football..Five years on and I am still dismayed at how slow one paced and downright one dimensional our style is..Did anyone see that Tony Hibbert ball into the box where Anichebes header almost trickled over the line? It was a throw back to the old Wimbledon. I watched Match of the Day and even when you see the pace and precision that Portsmouth played with it makes me sit with envy and think what happened to the days when Everton used to play that type of football?. Did we ever play slick football or was it all a distant dream? I understand you need a work ethic but Moyes seems over obsessed with the phrase hard work. Its as though any thoughts of Everton becoming a good footballing team again dont matter..There are other points I would like to make but sticking to one obvious and I said this all the way back in May.. Why did Moyes make Jagielka his number one transfer priority?. Why did we sign him at all?. I said at the time we didnt need another utility player as we had other matters needed dealing with but as time has gone on it looks as though Jags is only going to be worth playing at right back and will he ever get past Moyes blue eyed boy Tony Hibbert?. It looks unlikely that Jagielka will play regularly this season and its also obvious that he wont be playing in midfield again...For a long time. Its just another strange buy from David Moyes and it makes me wonder if it had something to do with wanting Naysmith dn Beattie off the books and the deal with Sheff Utd was almost a direct swap. After the money we have spent Im dissapointed with our performances even more than our league position..I looked at our team at the start of the season and thought I would be seeing better displays but up to now its just not happening. We need Gravesen and Cahill back in that midfield and if its still not happening then well what do we try next?
jimmy hofffa
16 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:31:08
16 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:31:08
The silver lining from yesterday’s match is that our midfield was beginning to show that they can hold on the to ball and not give away the ball foolishly.
Our only problem yesterday was defence:
First Goal : Lescott giveawar
Second Goal : Osman giveaway
Third Goal : Yobo caught watching.
We are losing because we are giving goals away. How many goals can we keep scoring if we keep giving goals away?
Crap, our defence this year is crap. I think we need to bench Yobo for good as he is the one making most of the mistakes.
Surprisingly, Tony Hibbert and Leighton Baines played decently yesterday. Tony’s passes was not perfect but he did make a decent cross to anichebe which was cleared off the line.
and Baines set up Johnson’s goal.
For the first time this season, a game which we should’ve drawn was lost because of defensive faults.
I think Yobo is not ready to play again. We should try putting Jageilka there.
terry mcloughlin
17 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:12:58
17 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:12:58
After staying up still 2 in the morning again as now living in oz, to watch that load of rubbish.I would like to know a couple of questions.Firstly how come their is no information coming out of everton about Tommy Gs injury?.2nd why does Moyes wait til we are getting beat before he makes a change, also whats Yakubu men’t to do by coming on in the 90th minute?. 3rd who are the scouts for everton, surely whoever went out to look at Yakubu, Beatie,Knoldrupt and a couple of others i could name, should be sacked for gross misconduct. 4th Hibbert, defending not to bad when on form, distribrution piss poor on every day, catch pass or cross a ball, he makes Earl Barret look good.Neville should by right back or otherwise on the bench, as a midfielder one word shite.Carsley trys hard like Stubbs but the pair of them are past their sell by date as too old and slow.Yobo? still on his holidays i think.Mcfadden showed us last night 1 game in 6 he will play well.Just not good enough.In fact the best player i can remember watching at everton in the last few years was Richard Gough and he was in his mid 30s.Which is sad.I honestly think this should be Moyes last year as i personaly think he is a negative manager, ie getting beat by man u in fa cup and bring a defender on?.And i can’t see evertons football getting any better than this long ball shit.What ever happend to the school of science?.
Tony Williams
18 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:55:00
18 Posted 08/10/2007 at 08:55:00
Yeah Say Moyles, sack the board, bring back Weir to shore up the defence, lets sell out to the South African but mostly sack Moyles as he couldn’t beat a team who is undefeated at home in the fourth game in 11 days, sack Moyles and the fitness team, as why are the players tired and coincidentally conceed late goals.
Sack Moyles as he only just got us through the group stages of the Wafer cup, sack him as he is not winning all our games and it is deffinitely his fault the players are all playing shite, oh and yes sack Moyles.
Doh!
Sack Moyles as he only just got us through the group stages of the Wafer cup, sack him as he is not winning all our games and it is deffinitely his fault the players are all playing shite, oh and yes sack Moyles.
Doh!
daniel price
19 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:17:58
19 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:17:58
we are 3 points off fourth place you div!
Tony Williams
20 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:26:31
20 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:26:31
It doesn’t matter Daniel, sack Moyles he will be the ruin of our club, he is obviously inept and the cup runs are flukes, as I suspect was our 6th place last season.
Sack Moyles bring back Walter
Sack Moyles bring back Walter
John Andrews
21 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:08:06
21 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:08:06
I think two or three of the posters here have got it spot on. It is not the fact that we have lost a game or two but the manner in which we have lost them.
For reasons best known to the management we still seem to be bypassing the midfield. None of the top four teams from the past few seasons do this. Admittedly this sometimes leads to a fairly slow build up but, obviously, produces results !
I can only agree with Terry regarding the scouting system. Wenger picks up bargains on a weekly basis and we continue to waste money.
I also agree with Terry about McFadden. He has been very good the last couple of games but how long will this last ? Or even will it last ?
I am not anti Moyes but some of the things he does do defy belief. I did not see the Newcastle game but I believe he sent McFadden out for the second half and subbed him after a minute or two ! Why ?
He then bought Yakubu on in the 90th minute. This sounds like a bit of Beattie treatment to bring him into line. This did not work with Beattie and will not work with Yakubu.
Under Moyes we will never see the likes of the School of Science. There is more chance of me winning the Lottery !
For reasons best known to the management we still seem to be bypassing the midfield. None of the top four teams from the past few seasons do this. Admittedly this sometimes leads to a fairly slow build up but, obviously, produces results !
I can only agree with Terry regarding the scouting system. Wenger picks up bargains on a weekly basis and we continue to waste money.
I also agree with Terry about McFadden. He has been very good the last couple of games but how long will this last ? Or even will it last ?
I am not anti Moyes but some of the things he does do defy belief. I did not see the Newcastle game but I believe he sent McFadden out for the second half and subbed him after a minute or two ! Why ?
He then bought Yakubu on in the 90th minute. This sounds like a bit of Beattie treatment to bring him into line. This did not work with Beattie and will not work with Yakubu.
Under Moyes we will never see the likes of the School of Science. There is more chance of me winning the Lottery !
Steve Taylor
22 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:54:18
22 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:54:18
We’re 3 points off 4th FFS!
A dumb post by a fickle, knee jerk, Blue - were you calling for his head on Thursday? After our 3rd straight win????
So called Blues who post shite like this get on my tits! Get a grip of yourself & stop over reacting everytime we get beaten.
A dumb post by a fickle, knee jerk, Blue - were you calling for his head on Thursday? After our 3rd straight win????
So called Blues who post shite like this get on my tits! Get a grip of yourself & stop over reacting everytime we get beaten.
arthur jones
23 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:49:07
23 Posted 08/10/2007 at 09:49:07
Yeah , let’s sack DM and go back to those exciting end of season nailbiting fights against relegation instead of all this boring qualifying for Europe and being the only team in recent years to break the top 4 monopoly of the premiership , back to 20,000 crowds a game and signing great players like madar , back-of-the-echo , earl barrett , stephen hughes , vinnie samways , mitch ward and the greatest of them all , claus thompson and many other superior sunday league no-marks , I can’t wait !!!!!!!!!
Brian Waring
24 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:16:42
24 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:16:42
Arthur,how is it that when someone has a go at your hero Moyes,you always come out with a load of shite like that?What you say is in the past.Let’s talk about now and how Moyes has us playing some of the shittest football in the prem. How tactically inept he is.Instead of slating everyone,why not try and defend the 2 accusations I have just made against Moyes.Tell me the reasons why Moyes is tactically inept, and why for most of his time here,we have played some of the shittest football the prem has ever seen?I would like to hear your thought on this,instead of all this do you want Smith back,Nadar shite.
mark-chester
25 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:03:04
25 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:03:04
I will give Moyes until jan and then assess the situation (which is begining to look worrying).
Lets see, we will not win the uefa and top six? i think it will take a miracle of an effort considering the teams that have now stepped up 2 or 3 gears (Man City, Villa, Blackburn,) and tott will come good and newcastle and portsmouth could be there or there abouts and if at the end of thbe season, we have not won a domestic cup (which on recent form is a distinct possibility) we will no longer be in europe, another yo-yo season!!!
Don’t get me wrong, I am not a Moyes hater, and i wished he would do well, but the facts are there.
Pros:
1. We no longer have to worry about relegation (well we did have that one season under him).
2. We have some good young players coming through, Baines, Vaughan, Victor etc.
3. We have been given hope hope of sorts in actually achievng something.
Cons:
1. We play for the most part awful crap hoofball football.
2. Moyes tactically is probably the equivalent of 16th place in the Prem.
3. He continues to to play the wrong players when it is so abvious to all of us thousands and thousands of evertonians that they are wrong.
4. His scouting network seems to be shit.
5. As someone has pointed out in this post already, Moyes has had near 6 years to nget us playing good football and Sven has had a handfull of games to do that and turn a crap footballing team around.
Like i said, i did not want him to fail, but if we are going to be continually let down when our hopes are up time after time then what do we have to lose by changing manager??
Is there really much difference to finishing 15th to finishing 6th if we are going to play shit football and go out of all the cups (uefa inc).
I will give him until the beginning of the new year and see where we are up to then.
Lets see, we will not win the uefa and top six? i think it will take a miracle of an effort considering the teams that have now stepped up 2 or 3 gears (Man City, Villa, Blackburn,) and tott will come good and newcastle and portsmouth could be there or there abouts and if at the end of thbe season, we have not won a domestic cup (which on recent form is a distinct possibility) we will no longer be in europe, another yo-yo season!!!
Don’t get me wrong, I am not a Moyes hater, and i wished he would do well, but the facts are there.
Pros:
1. We no longer have to worry about relegation (well we did have that one season under him).
2. We have some good young players coming through, Baines, Vaughan, Victor etc.
3. We have been given hope hope of sorts in actually achievng something.
Cons:
1. We play for the most part awful crap hoofball football.
2. Moyes tactically is probably the equivalent of 16th place in the Prem.
3. He continues to to play the wrong players when it is so abvious to all of us thousands and thousands of evertonians that they are wrong.
4. His scouting network seems to be shit.
5. As someone has pointed out in this post already, Moyes has had near 6 years to nget us playing good football and Sven has had a handfull of games to do that and turn a crap footballing team around.
Like i said, i did not want him to fail, but if we are going to be continually let down when our hopes are up time after time then what do we have to lose by changing manager??
Is there really much difference to finishing 15th to finishing 6th if we are going to play shit football and go out of all the cups (uefa inc).
I will give him until the beginning of the new year and see where we are up to then.
Billy Piper
26 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:38:05
26 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:38:05
" I will give Moyes until January and then assess the situation’...
Who the feck are you...Bill Kenwright ?
To all the other doom-mongers. One defeat after three wins and its relegation form...you wazzocks !
Two wins on the bounce and it will be top five again.
Evertonians...the biggest bunch of whining pricks on the planet !
mark-chester
27 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:49:03
27 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:49:03
Billy Piper, I am a FECKING everton fan who wants the team to play good attractive football and I pay my money and have a right to an opinion, your expectations are obviousley a lot lower than mine and many others if you can hand on heart say you are happy with the quality of football we play and are constant yo-yo seasons, get a grip will you.
Oh and by the way i did not say i was a moyes basher i thought i made that point quite clear on more than one occassion, i just feel that this is as good as it gets and YES i will assess/look/evaluate/weigh up/gauge the situation in jan as i am trying to give him a chance (more chances!! to prove me wrong and i really really hope he does, but it is not looking likely is it!!!!!!
Oh and by the way i did not say i was a moyes basher i thought i made that point quite clear on more than one occassion, i just feel that this is as good as it gets and YES i will assess/look/evaluate/weigh up/gauge the situation in jan as i am trying to give him a chance (more chances!! to prove me wrong and i really really hope he does, but it is not looking likely is it!!!!!!
Jay Campbell
28 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:43:08
28 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:43:08
Edmar you need your head feelin and bangin if you think that over-rated oaf Moyes is a good manager!!! You tell me what the f*ck he has done?? Ever go to Cardiff did ya?? Anybody who thinks that Osman, Stubbs, Carsley, Neville, Hibbert, Jagie-Angel, Yakubu etc can cut it at this level and this footbal club knows f*ck all about the game. By the way why are you making reference to Ranger’s and Celtic?? They are in a Mickey Mouse league so who gives a f*ck bout them!!! To all you lot moaning bout the defence if we had a f*ckin midfield who could hold onto the ball for more than 10 seconds then maybe the ball wouldn’t keep on coming back all the time. It’s Moyes that is playing right back’s and weak(Osman) and Limited midfielders every f*ckin week. Utter sh*te management I call it.
Ian Ankers
29 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:52:52
29 Posted 08/10/2007 at 10:52:52
firstly, if you look hard enough you will find info on the Gravesen, Cahill, Vaughan injuries. All three should return within the next two to three weeks, if not sooner in the case of Gravesen. Now that’s out of the way......
Tom Sullivan Quote: "If West Ham win their game in hand then Everton will be in the bottom half of the table after 9 games".
And you truly believe that this is enough to put Moyesys head on the block? Firstly you can’t work in if’s and but’s when assessing football simply because IF West ham lose and IF Everton win there next three we will all be singing Moyes’ praises again.
We are not the finished article, that’s obvious and at times Moyes frustrates me, but look at where we were when he took over? We have come a long long way. Yes we’ve had set backs with the good season followed by a bad season thing and things have been poor at times.
I truly believe that although not perfect, Moyes is the right man for the job. We have to look at the positives sometimes as well as the negatives. We are no longer a selling club. Under walter Smith how long do you think the likes of Arteta would have stayed at the club? Now we have him and Cahill on long contracts. This is just one example of course. Moyes knows we need more, but please wait until Cahill and Grav are back. We will also have vaughan to call upon. I think when our midfielders are back we will also see why Yakubu is worth 11.5 mil. We need more players, that obvious, but if we can keep what we’ve got and persevere and then add one or two more to the squad along the way I think we can safely say that we are improving.
To all the Moyes haters, try to remember how it was before he came??!!
We’re not ready to be title contenders, nor will we be next season, but this is a very long process, especially when you’ve only got BK’s wallet and chequebook to guide you! Kepp going Moyesy, the majority are behind you!
Tom Sullivan Quote: "If West Ham win their game in hand then Everton will be in the bottom half of the table after 9 games".
And you truly believe that this is enough to put Moyesys head on the block? Firstly you can’t work in if’s and but’s when assessing football simply because IF West ham lose and IF Everton win there next three we will all be singing Moyes’ praises again.
We are not the finished article, that’s obvious and at times Moyes frustrates me, but look at where we were when he took over? We have come a long long way. Yes we’ve had set backs with the good season followed by a bad season thing and things have been poor at times.
I truly believe that although not perfect, Moyes is the right man for the job. We have to look at the positives sometimes as well as the negatives. We are no longer a selling club. Under walter Smith how long do you think the likes of Arteta would have stayed at the club? Now we have him and Cahill on long contracts. This is just one example of course. Moyes knows we need more, but please wait until Cahill and Grav are back. We will also have vaughan to call upon. I think when our midfielders are back we will also see why Yakubu is worth 11.5 mil. We need more players, that obvious, but if we can keep what we’ve got and persevere and then add one or two more to the squad along the way I think we can safely say that we are improving.
To all the Moyes haters, try to remember how it was before he came??!!
We’re not ready to be title contenders, nor will we be next season, but this is a very long process, especially when you’ve only got BK’s wallet and chequebook to guide you! Kepp going Moyesy, the majority are behind you!
Brian Waring
30 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:03:31
30 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:03:31
Billy Piper,maybe you could answer for me why we play some of the shittest football in the prem and after 5 yrs Moyes’ is still tactically inept?Instead of calling people wazzocks for having an opinion,why don’t you come up with some sensible debate?
Tony Williams
31 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:03:21
31 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:03:21
Ha ha ha great Debate, sack Moyles he is no good, bring back Joe Royale and his Dogs of War, I would rather we had the excitement of relegation battles than worry about getting into the Euro spots.
Is Mike Walker doing anything these days?, bring him on board aswell and I’m sure we can get a Kendall Mk IV.
Sack Moyles
Is Mike Walker doing anything these days?, bring him on board aswell and I’m sure we can get a Kendall Mk IV.
Sack Moyles
Andy Rannard
32 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:21:18
32 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:21:18
Tony Williams???
Sack MOYLES? what good will getting rid of the tubby ’saviour’ of radio one do for Everton?
get a grip man!
Sack MOYLES? what good will getting rid of the tubby ’saviour’ of radio one do for Everton?
get a grip man!
Ady
33 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:15:52
33 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:15:52
Just because weve spent alot of money this summer it doesnt give us the divine right to be in the top 6 positions!!! Everton are not the only team to have invested heavily this season to try and break in to the top 6!!! Newcastle have spent big again so have pompey, city, spurs, west ham and blackburn will be there challenging us as well for a top six finish so its guna be a tough year for us, and for people to be saying sack Moyes, who at this moment in time would be better and available to come in and take us up to that next level everyone seems to be expecting straight away?!!
jimmy hoffa
34 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:26:25
34 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:26:25
I refered to Match report by Lyndon Lloyd. From previous reports by Lyndon, all can agree that he is very objective.
And surprisingly, the report on yesterdays game wasn’t that bad after all.
It shows that yesterday’s game was not a shoe in for Newcastle.
I conclude that we lost the game yesterday due to repeated mistakes by our defenders and Osman.
Barring all the msitakes, we could’ve possibly nicked the game.
We created bona fide chances too, Anicebhe was denied twice, even McFadden came close.
That shows that yesterday we were not push overs.
Moyes needs to get the defence to buck up. Punish those who makes mistakes harshly, put YOBO back on the bench as a lesson to all.
Try Phil Jageilka in RB or CB or FB positions.
Neville and Carsley is beginning to click and lets savour the partnership. But i still feel Arteta should be moved back to the middle of the park.
Or pull Neville back to RB and put Arteta back in the center to partner Carsley. Let Pinnear go to right midfield and Osman on the left.
Leighton Baines has proven himself well. He’ll be able to support Osman in case Osman screw up.
THERES JUST TOO MANY MISTAKES DONE IN THE DEFENCE. SOME HEADS MUST ROLL FOR THIS.
DAMN DAMN DAMN
Andy Mckenzie
35 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:33:34
35 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:33:34
why is it after every defeat we get the same old shite, moyes out blah blah blah, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
patty blue
36 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:41:34
36 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:41:34
I wish you lot were Spurs Supporters, then you would have something to moan about!!
How many games have we played - 9? and you have us fighting relegation.
Get real !!
How many games have we played - 9? and you have us fighting relegation.
Get real !!
Tony Williams
37 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:54:59
37 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:54:59
Can’t you see that this man will drag us into a safety zone, how boring is that, I want to be excited at the end of the season whilst we battle against relegation, Moyles is a disgrace, I am sick and tired of getting into Europe via the Wafer cup, I demand the Champions League and this man will never give us it.
Sack him, he is obviously a waste of space and will never give us the flair of Gazza and Ginola, in fact why did he get rid of Gemmil and Pembridge, absolute shocker of a manager.
Bring back Walter "Dissapointed" Smith, we would take over the world
Sack him, he is obviously a waste of space and will never give us the flair of Gazza and Ginola, in fact why did he get rid of Gemmil and Pembridge, absolute shocker of a manager.
Bring back Walter "Dissapointed" Smith, we would take over the world
Steve Taylor
38 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:55:08
38 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:55:08
Jay Campbell - re: your quote:
Anybody who thinks that Osman, Stubbs, Carsley, Neville, Hibbert, Jagie-Angel, Yakubu etc can cut it at this level and this footbal club knows f*ck all about the game
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I would suggest that man is you.
Yakubu not fit to play at this level???? Do me a favour - & how you can dis Stubbs, Carsley & Neville as not being fit to wear the shirt - you’re a disgrace - Everton FC doesn’t need whinging, doom mongers like you IMO.
You’ve got the right to say what you like - but most would say you’re talking utter shite!
Anybody who thinks that Osman, Stubbs, Carsley, Neville, Hibbert, Jagie-Angel, Yakubu etc can cut it at this level and this footbal club knows f*ck all about the game
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I would suggest that man is you.
Yakubu not fit to play at this level???? Do me a favour - & how you can dis Stubbs, Carsley & Neville as not being fit to wear the shirt - you’re a disgrace - Everton FC doesn’t need whinging, doom mongers like you IMO.
You’ve got the right to say what you like - but most would say you’re talking utter shite!
nick harris
39 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:57:16
39 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:57:16
personally i think we have the some really good players but i dont think we have that good a team.
defence and strikers are fine enough , but the midfeild is the most un-everton midfeild i can rememeber.
arteta , cahill and gravesen are adequate but im sorry to say i think the rest are pathetic and bottom of the prem standard at best.
osman , carsley , neville , vdm , vidaarsson , da silva ... all a bunch of huff and puff non exciting j, derby county standard players.
i also have to say i absolutly hate the way we play football this season. its dull to say the least and not of a standard i appreciate.
i know that if this is the standard of team and play that moyes will will provide in the future then honestly he can move on as far as im concerned.
defence and strikers are fine enough , but the midfeild is the most un-everton midfeild i can rememeber.
arteta , cahill and gravesen are adequate but im sorry to say i think the rest are pathetic and bottom of the prem standard at best.
osman , carsley , neville , vdm , vidaarsson , da silva ... all a bunch of huff and puff non exciting j, derby county standard players.
i also have to say i absolutly hate the way we play football this season. its dull to say the least and not of a standard i appreciate.
i know that if this is the standard of team and play that moyes will will provide in the future then honestly he can move on as far as im concerned.
mark williams
40 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:56:03
40 Posted 08/10/2007 at 11:56:03
what the hell is wrong with people on this site!!!
Alex Ferguson made a good point about MOYES ( he is a manager building for tomorrow not today )
in this premiership there is no easy game anybody is capable of winning anybody!
moyes is the best thing to happen to everton! for the simple fact a few years ago we would go to Newcastle away and expect defeat now you calling for moyes head because we got beat he already done big things for us and more to come!!! need gravo in midfield
Alex Ferguson made a good point about MOYES ( he is a manager building for tomorrow not today )
in this premiership there is no easy game anybody is capable of winning anybody!
moyes is the best thing to happen to everton! for the simple fact a few years ago we would go to Newcastle away and expect defeat now you calling for moyes head because we got beat he already done big things for us and more to come!!! need gravo in midfield
Tony Williams
41 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:16:19
41 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:16:19
Fantastic thinking, bring back Meattie and whilst we are at it we should try and get Marcus Bent back.
Is Kenny Sansom still playing? what about Bob the Pole?
Today Goodison, tomorrow the world
Is Kenny Sansom still playing? what about Bob the Pole?
Today Goodison, tomorrow the world
Jay Campbell
42 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:06:49
42 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:06:49
Steve Taylor if you think that mob are footballer’s your thick as F*ck!!! They are all sh*te end ov story!!!. Maybe you like watchin players who couldn’t pass on Mastermind and belong in the old Wimbledon side??? My eye’s are wide open at the match unlike your’s. Every f*ckin week you know who is gonna be in the team and how exactly there gonna play it’s so f*ckin predictable!!! I’d be suprised if Benetiz had scout’s at the game coz he like every other manager in the league knows how Everton are gonna play and set up!!! Boring, One track football. Moyes is a F*ckin Genius in he??
Tony Williams
43 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:25:05
43 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:25:05
Yeah Jay, I’m with you brother, they are all shite, especially the one who are constantly picked for their countries, what a lot of wasters they are, I mean imagine playing internations in your side.
Sack Moyles, get him out before he takes us further up the leagure, bring back Walter
Sack Moyles, get him out before he takes us further up the leagure, bring back Walter
Steve Syder
44 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:22:26
44 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:22:26
Tom,
Agree completely with your comments, and Michael - I thought th ewhole point of the forum was so that people can express their opinions, not just so they can post opinions you agree with.
Moyes almost certainly won’t go in the near future, because of Bill Kenwright’s loyalty, but that’s not a reason for fans who feel so inclined to express the opinion that he should do.
We don’t only call for his head after defeats - most of us calle dfor it after the deep embarrassment of robbing Metallist last week.
Agree completely with your comments, and Michael - I thought th ewhole point of the forum was so that people can express their opinions, not just so they can post opinions you agree with.
Moyes almost certainly won’t go in the near future, because of Bill Kenwright’s loyalty, but that’s not a reason for fans who feel so inclined to express the opinion that he should do.
We don’t only call for his head after defeats - most of us calle dfor it after the deep embarrassment of robbing Metallist last week.
Tony Williams
45 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:40:07
45 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:40:07
Yeah, right on, he should have been beheaded for getting us into the group stages, he is a joke and I for one will give up my season ticket before long if he manages to fluke another European spot in the league this season.
He should be ashamed of himself
He should be ashamed of himself
Jay Campbell
46 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:45:48
46 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:45:48
Tony Williams your about as funny as a week in the jug.
Neil Pearse
47 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:39:52
47 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:39:52
Wanted to add a few things that were evident from yesterday, perhaps correcting some things that have been said recently about a few players.
Firstly, AJ. Made a big difference when he came on and he scored a good poacher’s goal. Also clear that he’s been carrying injuries. Now maybe we can get off the back of one of our true class players. We will miss him in the Derby.
Secondly, McFadden. Still as much of a headless chicken as a boy wonder. Had to be take off at half time because he was giving away so much possession. Still in my view best played as a super sub.
Thirdly, Carsley. He did strengthen us defensively, making it all the more mysterious that he wasn’t played (or brought on) on Thursday. But he’s getting on! Desperate need for new defensive mid in January, with Cars as his understudy.
Fourthly, Joey Yobo. Clearly the lad is out of sorts (maybe injured still?). Cut him some slack, he is class and this is temporary. But I would expect to see Stubbs back for the Derby. Maybe all Joey needs is a bit of a break.
But it is alarming that Moyes’ famed defensive solidity has gone. Obviously he doesn’t understand it either. Perhaps that previously we’ve relied more than we thought on Stubbs and Carsley, and now they are getting past it?
Firstly, AJ. Made a big difference when he came on and he scored a good poacher’s goal. Also clear that he’s been carrying injuries. Now maybe we can get off the back of one of our true class players. We will miss him in the Derby.
Secondly, McFadden. Still as much of a headless chicken as a boy wonder. Had to be take off at half time because he was giving away so much possession. Still in my view best played as a super sub.
Thirdly, Carsley. He did strengthen us defensively, making it all the more mysterious that he wasn’t played (or brought on) on Thursday. But he’s getting on! Desperate need for new defensive mid in January, with Cars as his understudy.
Fourthly, Joey Yobo. Clearly the lad is out of sorts (maybe injured still?). Cut him some slack, he is class and this is temporary. But I would expect to see Stubbs back for the Derby. Maybe all Joey needs is a bit of a break.
But it is alarming that Moyes’ famed defensive solidity has gone. Obviously he doesn’t understand it either. Perhaps that previously we’ve relied more than we thought on Stubbs and Carsley, and now they are getting past it?
Michael Brien
48 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:23:04
48 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:23:04
Another defeat and the "Moyes Out" brigade start to shout the odds. What’s that song we sing "If ya know ya history.."
Clearly some people have forgotten their history - what was our position when DM took over ?
How far did the Champions Leage and the UEFA Cup look then ? Quite a long way I would have thought.If anyone had suggested in March ’02 that in 3 years time we would have qualified for the Champions League - I think there would have been a suggestion of calling for the blokes in the white coats!!
Yes it’s frustrating when we lose- especially when we are giving away daft goals. Yes it’s frustrating when we see Man City and Portsmouth doing so well. Yes Sven has changed things around at Man City - do you think the 50 or so million he was given to spend might have helped matters there ?
Yes Harry has got a good side there at Fratton Park - but hasn’t he got some Foreign Bloke with millions backing him ? I think that might help him in his team building.
Unlike some managers DM has played down the injuries we have had - take the likes of Cahill and Gravesen out of most sides and they would have problems.Lets not forget Arteta has missed several games and even our Wessels - in for the injured Howard- finished the Sheff Wed game with his head bandaged !!!
i am not saying that injuries have been to blame for all our defeats - but that we have had more than most teams.
Also looking at the table 10th doesn’t look good - but have a closer look, aren’t we only 3 points off 4th place? Personally speaking I think the only league table that matters is the one after 42 games - er sorry showing my age there !!! - 38 games and not 8 games
Lets start putting things into perspective and show some acknowledgement of what DM has achieved.I haven’t agreed with all of his signings or all of his tactics - but for goodness sake lets give the bloke some credit and lets cut him some slack.
Clearly some people have forgotten their history - what was our position when DM took over ?
How far did the Champions Leage and the UEFA Cup look then ? Quite a long way I would have thought.If anyone had suggested in March ’02 that in 3 years time we would have qualified for the Champions League - I think there would have been a suggestion of calling for the blokes in the white coats!!
Yes it’s frustrating when we lose- especially when we are giving away daft goals. Yes it’s frustrating when we see Man City and Portsmouth doing so well. Yes Sven has changed things around at Man City - do you think the 50 or so million he was given to spend might have helped matters there ?
Yes Harry has got a good side there at Fratton Park - but hasn’t he got some Foreign Bloke with millions backing him ? I think that might help him in his team building.
Unlike some managers DM has played down the injuries we have had - take the likes of Cahill and Gravesen out of most sides and they would have problems.Lets not forget Arteta has missed several games and even our Wessels - in for the injured Howard- finished the Sheff Wed game with his head bandaged !!!
i am not saying that injuries have been to blame for all our defeats - but that we have had more than most teams.
Also looking at the table 10th doesn’t look good - but have a closer look, aren’t we only 3 points off 4th place? Personally speaking I think the only league table that matters is the one after 42 games - er sorry showing my age there !!! - 38 games and not 8 games
Lets start putting things into perspective and show some acknowledgement of what DM has achieved.I haven’t agreed with all of his signings or all of his tactics - but for goodness sake lets give the bloke some credit and lets cut him some slack.
Peter Roberts
49 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:39:50
49 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:39:50
I’m quite simply baffled at some of the responses on here - here was me thinking that Toffeeweb was exempt from grammatical errors, knee-jerk rections and childish name-calling, not to mention the silly comparisons.
You talk about Eriksson turning City around in 3 months against Moyes turning us slowly into a secure Premiership side in 5 1/2 years? First of all, I’ve never seen Moyes spend £50m in one transfer window, nor have I seen Eriksson be successful when he hasn’t had a shoestring budget to operate. The two situations are a complete contrast. To compare them is ludicrous at best, possibly even downright naive.
Against the tactics, I will hold my hand up as a "pro-Moyes"-er and say that the tactics he appears to employ aren’t the best. But, Moyes as a player was a old fashioned no-nonsense centre half, so I expect that at the very least from his tactical point of view. But also, it appears we tried to play a little bit on Sunday (according to Lyndon in the match report) so I half believe the tactics are due to the ability level of his players that he’s got available. Once Gravesen, Cahill and Vaughan come back I would expect us to try and play on the deck a bit more.
Kiki Sanchez, without wanting to cause offence, but West and Okocha have both retired, if not they are both 35+. West was terrible at best in the Premiership and shouldn’t even be considered.
With regard to our league position, we might be 10th but a defeat this week meant we dropped to 5th. It just shows how tight the league is at this stage of the season - it’s still early days and we have the best chance available to go through to the quarter-finals of the League Cup for the first time in 20 years. We will still be in Europe in December for the first time in 22 years - we have three key players to come back from injury - I would hope that people can only see the Newcastle defeat in the light that we obviously have a tired squad who’ve just play 4 games in 11 days, and that mentally they are a bit knackered - as opposed to physically. We weren’t at our best on Sunday and I expect us to be better and up for it more next Saturday in the derby - when the players have had a long rest
You talk about Eriksson turning City around in 3 months against Moyes turning us slowly into a secure Premiership side in 5 1/2 years? First of all, I’ve never seen Moyes spend £50m in one transfer window, nor have I seen Eriksson be successful when he hasn’t had a shoestring budget to operate. The two situations are a complete contrast. To compare them is ludicrous at best, possibly even downright naive.
Against the tactics, I will hold my hand up as a "pro-Moyes"-er and say that the tactics he appears to employ aren’t the best. But, Moyes as a player was a old fashioned no-nonsense centre half, so I expect that at the very least from his tactical point of view. But also, it appears we tried to play a little bit on Sunday (according to Lyndon in the match report) so I half believe the tactics are due to the ability level of his players that he’s got available. Once Gravesen, Cahill and Vaughan come back I would expect us to try and play on the deck a bit more.
Kiki Sanchez, without wanting to cause offence, but West and Okocha have both retired, if not they are both 35+. West was terrible at best in the Premiership and shouldn’t even be considered.
With regard to our league position, we might be 10th but a defeat this week meant we dropped to 5th. It just shows how tight the league is at this stage of the season - it’s still early days and we have the best chance available to go through to the quarter-finals of the League Cup for the first time in 20 years. We will still be in Europe in December for the first time in 22 years - we have three key players to come back from injury - I would hope that people can only see the Newcastle defeat in the light that we obviously have a tired squad who’ve just play 4 games in 11 days, and that mentally they are a bit knackered - as opposed to physically. We weren’t at our best on Sunday and I expect us to be better and up for it more next Saturday in the derby - when the players have had a long rest
norman merrill
50 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:52:17
50 Posted 08/10/2007 at 12:52:17
Any time now, we will lose, Yobo
Joe McMahon
51 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:23:41
51 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:23:41
Neil Pearse - you cerianly are right. We have relied on Stubsb & Cars for way too long, with noe replaecments. Everyone knows they have a combined age of 146. We even re-signed one of them such is teh lack of replavcements. I think we are gonna struggle & I’m fed up of hearing "when Cahill, Vaughan are back" well When tey do come back, for how long? Injury prone players the statistics show. Why on Why does shite like Osman, Hibbert & Neville never get injured?
Sneaker Deverill
52 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:24:07
52 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:24:07
Some of the comments on here make me smile ... If Everton won the Premiership, FA Cup, League Cup, European Cup and came top in the fair play ratings there would still be Evertonians on here asking why we didn’t win the World Cup, why Moyes didn’t buy David Beckham whilst he had the chance and how unfair it is that Liverpool got 0.7 seconds more coverage on Match of The day than we did ... One thing that we would undoubtedly win is the "Most pedantic, miserable and fickle supportesr award of the century" - come on boys .... let’s get a fuckin’ life shall we ...??
steve
53 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:42:34
53 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:42:34
can anyone tell me is it true about a south africain takeover??
Terry"marsbar"Maddock
54 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:38:23
54 Posted 08/10/2007 at 13:38:23
3 wins out of four games in 11 days, one by the odd goal away from home..
into the later stages of a european competition for the first time in 22 years.
Cahill, Johnson,graveson,Vaughn,Howard injured for long periods..
New players like Jagielka,Yakubu and Baines not yet settled in..
3 points off 4th spot..
i woke up yesterday morning and found we were above spurs,Chelsea,portsmouth,and westham,
I havent enjoyed all the football so far this season...but neither have the mancs,the shite, spurs,the hammers...The reason for the mancs was they missed Rooney and Ronaldo...but suddenly they are second in the league...
We will get our players back, we will play better..and we will be glad that we manged to kepp ourselves in the upper half of the tablle and in all the cups with half our 1st team missing or carrying injuries...
Try to enjoy it..because sometimes you get what you wish for..and for those of you tht wish for Moyes head..you may well get it but you might not enjoy the alternative..
Under mike walker we never put a cross in because we played it on the deck all the time, we couldnt tackle, we couldnt score or defend and we were bottom.yes rock bottom of the league..twice under walter smith the last result of the season kept us up..and once under HK.
I am not accepting second best , merely realistically stating that it takes time to go from bottom to top without the same funding Man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and the shite have...some had said before we actually did it that it was impossible to break the "big 4 monopoly"...so we came 4th..some of you fools dont realise the huge achievement that was..Now the whole team is David Moyes team..so let us judge them at the end of the season..not after 10 games..be honest, if in 2001 we were 3 points off 4th and in all the cups including europe you would all be wanking for joy..NSNO..it applies to the fans as well
into the later stages of a european competition for the first time in 22 years.
Cahill, Johnson,graveson,Vaughn,Howard injured for long periods..
New players like Jagielka,Yakubu and Baines not yet settled in..
3 points off 4th spot..
i woke up yesterday morning and found we were above spurs,Chelsea,portsmouth,and westham,
I havent enjoyed all the football so far this season...but neither have the mancs,the shite, spurs,the hammers...The reason for the mancs was they missed Rooney and Ronaldo...but suddenly they are second in the league...
We will get our players back, we will play better..and we will be glad that we manged to kepp ourselves in the upper half of the tablle and in all the cups with half our 1st team missing or carrying injuries...
Try to enjoy it..because sometimes you get what you wish for..and for those of you tht wish for Moyes head..you may well get it but you might not enjoy the alternative..
Under mike walker we never put a cross in because we played it on the deck all the time, we couldnt tackle, we couldnt score or defend and we were bottom.yes rock bottom of the league..twice under walter smith the last result of the season kept us up..and once under HK.
I am not accepting second best , merely realistically stating that it takes time to go from bottom to top without the same funding Man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and the shite have...some had said before we actually did it that it was impossible to break the "big 4 monopoly"...so we came 4th..some of you fools dont realise the huge achievement that was..Now the whole team is David Moyes team..so let us judge them at the end of the season..not after 10 games..be honest, if in 2001 we were 3 points off 4th and in all the cups including europe you would all be wanking for joy..NSNO..it applies to the fans as well
Jay Campbell
55 Posted 08/10/2007 at 14:43:31
55 Posted 08/10/2007 at 14:43:31
The Infamous DH you are!!!
tony hughes
56 Posted 08/10/2007 at 15:20:17
56 Posted 08/10/2007 at 15:20:17
tony williams,why dont give it a fucking rest with your boring sarcasm,oh by the way its M o y e s not Moyles you arsehole!
Anto Doran
57 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:18:56
57 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:18:56
DM should be defo given the end of the season, he HAS done well very well for Everton and I think replacing him will be hard and maybe even fatal to us if we didnt get a suitable manager. Saying all that, we dont seem to able to pass or control the ball and our football is ugly to watch, which means we are NOT making proper progress ’on the pitch’ this DM must address if he wishes to remain as manager
Tony Williams
58 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:36:59
58 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:36:59
Oohhh hark at you Tony, the big angry nasty man on an anonymous forum.
I was under the impression that anyone could post what they wanted on this forum, as per your wonderfully inciteful and polite post. Did I err?
I could try and describe why I write Moyles but I won’t bother, it is a private joke so who is the "arsehole" now?
I was under the impression that anyone could post what they wanted on this forum, as per your wonderfully inciteful and polite post. Did I err?
I could try and describe why I write Moyles but I won’t bother, it is a private joke so who is the "arsehole" now?
Anto Doran
59 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:44:29
59 Posted 08/10/2007 at 16:44:29
get a room you Tonies ::)
Ray
60 Posted 08/10/2007 at 21:02:14
60 Posted 08/10/2007 at 21:02:14
How is Rooney an Everton all time great?. He only played a handful of games for the club and scored two memorable goals..I wouldnt even compare him to Kevin Campbell..That man single handedly kept us up and won us a derby at Anfield (remember that feeling?). Thats more great to me.
arthur jones
61 Posted 08/10/2007 at 20:52:00
61 Posted 08/10/2007 at 20:52:00
So we play the shittest , most tactically inept football in the prem and we are really playing 16th place football ?????? Get real , we finished 6th last season , taking 4 points off Liverpool and the same off Arsenal , 2 of the so-called big 4 , 2 seasons ago we finished in 4th place when we were favourites to be relegated , twice in his 5 years at Everton David Moyes has been voted manager of the season by his peers , who actually know far more than me or you or anybody who posts on this site about being a premiership manager , If you look at our results this season and compare them to the equivalent fixtures last season I think you’ll find our points tally is virtually the same , And we play shit football , the ONLY team in the premiership who’s played permanently entertaining football up to now this season is Arsenal , Oh and as regards Sven ? he’s transformed man city because he’s virtually changed the whole team , has a vast amount of wealth at his disposal and can afford to pay far more wages than we can . He’s been fortunate that the players have gelled and has been fortunate with some of his results .. this is the same Sven who had the best squad of English players available to an engliand boss for 40 years and ballsed it up . Why object to me comparing Moyes’s record to the bosses during the 90’s ? He is a better boss than any of them , ask his fellow managers. 9 games into the season and the moaning , wingeing bastards crawl out from under their rock .. today it’s Moyes , if we win the uefa cup who will it be then ? The Toffee lady ?
Before you accuse me of talking shite , try having a look at the vitriol you’re spitting out yourself because my views don’t match yours
Before you accuse me of talking shite , try having a look at the vitriol you’re spitting out yourself because my views don’t match yours
Dave Richman
62 Posted 09/10/2007 at 13:18:26
62 Posted 09/10/2007 at 13:18:26
Listen up lads......
It’s an age-old tactic that whenever there’s a Derby coming up, you get loads of beauts invading our message boards - I will admit to having done a spot of Kopite baiting on theirs in the past - and it looks like they are targeting Toffeeweb this time around, so try not to bite. It’s usually the spelling that gives them away.
It’s an age-old tactic that whenever there’s a Derby coming up, you get loads of beauts invading our message boards - I will admit to having done a spot of Kopite baiting on theirs in the past - and it looks like they are targeting Toffeeweb this time around, so try not to bite. It’s usually the spelling that gives them away.
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But apparently not. Ask yourself, Do you really need to come on this site spouting this stuff because, true though your basic points may be, and poor though the football is, we all should know by now (surely to God!?) ... MOYES IS GOING NOWHERE!!!
Please, FFS, and for my sanity... GIVE IT A REST!