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Lescott, James... or Cole's bad luck?

Whilst watching the second half of the England game yesterday, I was very proud to see Joleon Lescott make his debut for England. I hope he continues to do well for Everton and force his way into the national team.

What did worry me was the Ashley Cole injury and I still can not work out what happened. On the one hand, I can see that Joleon SHOULD have cleared the ball before it bounced; however, in the replays, Joleon can clearly be seen to signal to David James ? whether that was for him to stay or what, I don't know. In that same moment, David James SHOULD have come for the ball and I wonder if Lescott was used to Howard coming out to get those balls?

Then there is Ashley Cole himself. Earlier in the game Cole hurt his ankle yet continued. Then in this challenge he landed awkwardly after rushing in.

Here's the question: Was the injury caused by Lescott not going for the ball, James not coming out, or simply down to a weakness in Cole's ankle? May be it was all three?
Tony Hawkins, Norwich Posted 14/10/2007 at 18:08:05

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Michael Newton
1 Posted 14/10/2007 at 19:24:20

David James didnt play?
The injury was caused by Paul Robinson not coming out.
I thought Lescott was nervy and didnt settle down until he was moved to left back.

Gavin Ramejkis
2 Posted 14/10/2007 at 19:28:40

Isn’t this is an Everton board not one for those prima donna win fuck alls, Engerland can go and rot for all I care

Gavin Harris
3 Posted 14/10/2007 at 19:47:29

"Engerland can go and rot for all I care"

Don;’t you live in england? If so you know what you can do...and this is from a welshman.

Gavin Ramejkis
4 Posted 14/10/2007 at 19:57:04

I constantly get that from other Engerland fans and I am openly against the Engerland football team, have never followed them and never will, was a young kid watching the total football final of the 1974 world cup which led me to watch Germany as my favourite European side and later Brazil as my favourite World side, both due to the quality of the football I watched them play as a kid. Before others ask I was also working in Jersey in a wine bar watching the England Germany 5-1 game wearing my Germany top, I didn’t leave the bar and in fact got many drinks bought for me for having the balls to sit and watch, a bit like watching Everton over the years; never hidden my colours.

Michael Newton
5 Posted 14/10/2007 at 19:58:45

Perhaps your surname gives you away as it doesnt sound English. Playing for England is the ultimate aim of every Englishman and if Everton can attract players such as AJ and Lescott who were selected due to their performances for our club then we as Evertonians should be proud of our lads. Players will come to this club knowing that it will enhance their opportunity for a national callup.
Its a shame the Spanish manager doesnt think so.

Gavin Ramejkis
6 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:01:03

Gavin Harris why don’t you support Wales over Engerland?

Gavin Ramejkis
7 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:04:52

Was born and bred in England but make my own mind up over which country I prefer to watch, England has had decades of myopic management meaning ill chosen players and lets all count their major trophy haul shall we........erm that’ll be one then, even Nigeria has won more trophies than England

Michael Newton
8 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:02:27

An Englishman wearing a German shirt!!!!!!! If my late Grandad would of seen you in one he would of shot you between the eyes.
I have no time for people who support another country against their own.

Gavin Harris
9 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:12:07

"Gavin Harris why don?t you support Wales over Engerland?"

Of course I support wales.

steve callaghan
10 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:13:46

What worries me more than any of this is the fact that Lescott looks set to play 90 mins on a plastic pitch days before a crucial derby for us. Yes, ok Gerard also plays but if a player will get injured on this pitch odds on it will be ours.There are many testimonies from players that their joints hurt for days on end when playing on this pitch and, no matter what they say, there is a huge difference between grass and even this latest astro turf. Are we about to become a victim of our own success and loose Lescott through playing on a dodgy pitch? Will Lescott’s knees be able to cope? I do hope Shorey plays!

Gavin Harris
11 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:13:28

I have seen over six years living in bristol that English people are becoming less and less patriotic and I think its terribly sad. Everyone at works calls it PC and says people will be offended if they show their pride. As you have demonstrated really, an english guy supporting germany over their country of birth.

In wales and Scotland its totally different. Everyone is proud of their country and the dream is to play for your country one day. As you saw tonight with the argentina rugby players crying when their anthem is playing.

If I were anything different my family would be ashamed, and thats the way it should be.

albert
12 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:16:35

germany the best team back in 1974 i thought it was holland

Michael Newton
13 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:29:37

I dont think Lescott will start.
Neville will start they reckon.

As you mentioned the rugby Gavin Harris, it put our national football team to shame last night the way our rugby team sang the national anthem and the sportsmanship they showed and the way they respected the referee.
As for Lescott starting against Russia, I hope he does, scores the winner from a corner and puts us in Euro 2008, so we can proudly wave our flags of St George and show we are patriotic.

Peter Singer
14 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:53:40

No one’s to blame for an injury if it’s not caused by a deliberate foul. Tough luck for Cashley but it’s part of the game.

Peter Pridgeon
15 Posted 14/10/2007 at 20:56:54

Gavin Ramejkis
You are an utter disgrace supporting Germany and the Brazil over your country of birth. While we all enjoyed the way Holland played total football in 1974 and Brazil played their brand of the beautiful game in 1970 to support a country, that YOUR country has fought two distructive wars (in recent living memory) against is nothing short of treason and remember Mr Ramejkis that Treason is still a capital offence in this country

Tom Martin
16 Posted 14/10/2007 at 21:31:11

Gavin, if you support Germany and Brazil over England because they play better quality football, Why th hell are you an Evertonian?!

Al Dugan
17 Posted 14/10/2007 at 21:42:13

Tom Martin...that was fantastic!!!

Roy Snowdon
18 Posted 14/10/2007 at 21:46:07

Treason is not a capital offence in the UK...it was abolished in 1998. That doesn?t mean I don?t agree with your sentiment though Peter!

Stefan Tosev
19 Posted 14/10/2007 at 21:45:15

Why should people question which team some other person will support? If he wants to support Germany its ok for me(I am nor Englishman nor German)

But there are words like Treason, a bit over the top me think.

Michael Newton
20 Posted 14/10/2007 at 21:51:04

the problem is not supporting Germany but supporting them over England when your English, Stefan

Roy coyne
21 Posted 14/10/2007 at 22:29:24

What sort of pathetic moron supports any team over his own nationality I have a lot of friends that are scots ,welsh &Irish and they support their on countries none ever thought that their own team were not good enough for them.I dislike maclaren but would never support any other nation one of my proudest moments was that I was there in 66.

Helen
22 Posted 14/10/2007 at 22:30:35

So... back to the original question - how was Cole’s injury caused?
;o)

Billy Piper
23 Posted 14/10/2007 at 23:10:55

If Ing-er-land were playing in our field I would draw the curtains.
feckin chav team,chav fans backed by tabloid shiote stirrers.
Thankfully,with my digital free sat dish I could tune into BBC Scotland and watch a passionate team,backed by passionate fans and led by King James !

Dawson Boyle
24 Posted 15/10/2007 at 00:27:56

Bizarre German supporting aside, I agree with Ramejkis.

Barmby and that fat kid at man u both had their heads turned while playing for England.

The last thing we want is Gary bloody Neville having a word in Joleon’s ear and encouraging him to join the dark side.

International football’s for trumpet players and ra ra southern toffs.

Just pray neither of them get injured before Saturday.

Gavin Ramejkis
25 Posted 15/10/2007 at 00:58:25

Thanks for the comments guys can almost picture the skinheads, union jack shorts, tattoos and season tickets to Stan Boardman tired cliche unfunny comedy, the world has moved on, to answer the why Everton; I started watching Everton thanks to my Mum’s side of the family, Dad was a red and in the 70s I thought we were fab at times, not world class but good enough for a young football loving kid.

Peter
26 Posted 15/10/2007 at 01:21:19

Gavin
Supporting your country in Football does not mean you are a stereotype of a football hooligan. Supporting your country does not mean you are a rabid flag waving, royalty loving, gun toting patriot either. As it happens I am none of the above and along with many supporters of the England football team support them simply because we like football we are English and the team is the football representative of the English people.
Its beyond me that you an Englishman
(I presume) could support a football representative of the German people

Gavin Ramejkis
27 Posted 15/10/2007 at 01:33:44

Interesting reply Peter seeing as how many yourself included have implied it’s disgraceful that anyone dare support and cheer on anyone besides England if they were born here, I don’t support them as I have a strong dislike to their style originally and after that what they have proven to be, a bunch of arrogant losers with far too many fans to be reviled not enamoured of, each to their own, strangely I do enjoy the English Rugby Union side but thats a recent thing via the wife.

Peter
28 Posted 15/10/2007 at 03:30:36

Gavin
We all find some sections of our national team and support worthy of revulsion, however I do not feel that loyalty to the national team be abandoned because some section of it does not suit you, that is essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I have lived in Germany and seen many acts of loutish behaviour from German football fans and the German population. I currently live in New Zealand and the bitterness shown towards the loosing national rugby team by a normally tolerant and genial population leaves one with a sense of deja vu. It is your choice who you support, enough has been said on this matter but could you have chosen anyone else but the Germans?

Vishal Poorundersingh
29 Posted 15/10/2007 at 05:58:52

Allez Maurice!!
Common Mauritius ...!!
COYB lets talk about the derby match..
Who will play, who wont play, who should play and who should not...

Baloo Johnson
30 Posted 15/10/2007 at 07:56:40

You guy’s are so funny.

Personally, i would rather watch Mexico or Scotland play football before watching England.

Anyhoo - How many of the 85 championship winning side was Guarenteed a starting role for England?

For those who remember the QPR match (last game of the season) Bobby Robson was booed by a large selection of the crowd when he stepped on to the pitch to hand the trophy over.

What have the English national side ever done for us?

Sweet FA

Peter Singer
31 Posted 15/10/2007 at 08:10:45

There’s a fine line between cheering another country’s national team (Tiny Tim’s Australia, weren’t you happy when they beat Japan?) and preferring them over your own.

Bashra Mohammed
32 Posted 15/10/2007 at 08:51:21

"What have the English national side ever done for us?"

Didn’t they build the aquaducts.

I’d prefer to watch Scotland over England. I have I crossed the "fine line"?

Matt Geraghty
33 Posted 15/10/2007 at 09:08:03

FFS, get off Gavins back - its his opinion!!

..Nothing is right, nothing is wrong, everything is subjective!!

Stan Watson
34 Posted 15/10/2007 at 09:23:33

Why can’t Evertonians be honest.Lescott fucked up big-time with disasterous consequences for Cole and England.Don’t expect to see him included in future squads.I for one shall not be too distressed,my only interest is Everton.

Terry Maddock
35 Posted 15/10/2007 at 09:12:01

Unfortunately , patriotism is frowned on in the UK...well actually only in England,you can burn an effigy of the monarch or primeminister in the street and thats fine..but you cant fly the national flag in case in upsets some religious group who find it offensive..England is the biggest country in the uk , yet we are the only ones who dont celebrate our Sts Day..
As a ex-squaddie it used to make me physically sick to see the amount of idiots running round dressed in green on Paddys day...while the boms were going off in birmingham ,warrington, manchester and london.....I myself am noy a great Royalist, in fact I think the royal family are a bunch of parasites..but I do live in a country that gives me free hospital care,an education, and the right to my freedom of speech..this is what makes me support my countries sporting teams..because I was born an Englishman...I was also born an Evertonian...and no matter how much I may admire Arsenals passing..or Liverpools luck...I cannot and will not support anybody else.

Andy Ellams
36 Posted 15/10/2007 at 09:43:10

I think the end to the England argument is who the hell connected with Everton cares how or why Ashley Cole got injured.

Blue Swede
37 Posted 15/10/2007 at 10:35:51

Andy you must be new to this site.

Tony Hawkins
38 Posted 15/10/2007 at 10:46:51

er, yes - I meant Paul Robinson. doh!

Matt Kassell
39 Posted 15/10/2007 at 10:33:28

We have to respect anyone’s wishes to follow whichever team they want, and also anyone’s reasons for doing so. You may notice I have a Germanic surname, but I was born in England and, despite being mostly Italian and Irish blood, I suppport England at football. That said, you don’t have to support the country of your birth or residence - there are no rules, so don’t try and impose them.

Seamus Murphy
40 Posted 15/10/2007 at 11:16:45

Terry Maddock you really have brought this conversation to a whole new level. Associating people celebrating St.Patricks day with bombs (which you cant even spell correctly) going off really is uncalled for, and to use it as an argument to support England is ridiculous in the extreme.

Michael Newton
41 Posted 15/10/2007 at 11:29:37

I think the whole poitical correctness thing really bubbled over last week when a bloke was suspended from the Manchester Airport Carpark because he put a picture of Christ on the wall. That sums up this country.
I am pleased to hear England won the World Conker Championships yesterday this proves that all those hours in the playground bashing your mates conkers paid off.
I support all England or GB teams, tennis players, golfers (except for Faldo) darts, snooker whatever.
This whole discussion started out who injured Cole, he injured himself and I think it was the hesitancy of Robinson that caused it, I think Lescott thought Robinson would be off his line like Tim Howard.
Anyway Cole has the consolation of picking up 75k a week whether he plays or not so dont give him too much sympathy.

Chris Lawlor
42 Posted 15/10/2007 at 12:15:05

Re Terry Maddock’s rant. Totally agree with Seamus. Terry that was well out of order and only goes to prove that Gav’s point about xenophobic England fans aint too far off the mark. By the way, You do not get free hospital care here, You simply pay it via various taxes. ..... Assuming you pay tax.

Steve Ferns
43 Posted 15/10/2007 at 13:16:12

I believe that feel like I think most scouse blues do, my dream was only ever to play for Everton. In the backgarden I was only Lineker of Everton and never Lineker of England.

My patience with England ran out when they overlooked player after player, nothing new i understand as one only has to check the history books to see examples of blues who go down south when past it only to be rewarded with their first caps.

However, I think that era was ended by Keegan and reinforced by Eriksson. McLaren does seem to give us a fair crack at the team.

However, for me, England will always be a distant 2nd to Everton and if Ireland go back to the 80s and have more scousers in the team than England then I’ll support them. I’m an Evertonian first, a scouser second and an Englishman third.

Dave Roberts
44 Posted 15/10/2007 at 15:23:38

Michael Newton,

What was up with Faldo? I learned how to play golf from watching him. I broke 90 last week! Thanks Nick.

Michael Newton
45 Posted 15/10/2007 at 15:44:04

I dont denounce Faldo’s golfing ability just he is an obnoxius person with a sense of humour that makes Steve Davies seem like Peter Kay. I also think his attitude will cost us the Ryder Cup.
If you would of learned how to play golf from watching Seve like me you would know how to hit it out of the trees, the heavy rough, someones back garden and break 85 haha

Dave Roberts
46 Posted 15/10/2007 at 15:38:43

Gavin,

As somebody else has already said, it is up to you who you support. But some of us do find it a bit queer to say the least when an Englishman does not support England. I don’t particularly like the way England is cliquey and biased towards southern players but insofar as International football is concerned they are my team. There is a lot I don’t like about Everton, on and off the pitch, but I haven’t decided to support the redshite because of it!

And why Germany? What have Germany ever done to deserve your admiration? Played off the pitch by Holland in ’74 and won the thing on penalties. Their assault on the brilliant French side of ’78 was a disgrace when they found themselves in danger of a thrashing and reverted to causing bodily harm. They taught the football world how to ’dive’ in the eighties and won countless games on the back of Klinsman being the best exponent of the tactic. In all competitions since they have been ruthlessly efficient and utterly boring and won the Euro only after beating a superior and desparately unlucky England side when football came home!

Time to change your allegiance I think!

Dave Roberts
47 Posted 15/10/2007 at 16:00:21

Michael,

I don’t think the editorial team would allow a golfing thread would they!?

Michael Newton
48 Posted 15/10/2007 at 16:08:10

I dont know maybe they will allow a Toffeeweb Golf Tournament one Sunday from all the contributors so we can all get pissed at the 19th hole and discuss all the stuff said on here over a pint.
You forgot one important think about the Germans Dave ’they bombed our chippy’

Matt Geraghty
49 Posted 15/10/2007 at 20:03:50

I can’t remember the date (poss 1998), but Ingerland played Scotland in a Euro qualifier - In the England team there were no Everton players, but the Scots had 3 of our boy’s in their side:
John Collins
Don Hutchinson
Davie Weir

Was everyone supporting England that night?