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Make sure Match of the Day properly analyse the incidents from today?s game. Go to the following link and post your comments:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_radio/1682694.stm

This is what I wrote:

In tonight's programme, could you please analyse the following points that arose during today's Merseyside derby:

1. Did Hibbert foul Gerrard or did they both have their hands across each other?

2. If Hibbert did foul Gerrard, did this initially happen outside the area?

3. As Gerrard is at no point completely through on goal, did Hibbert deserve to be sent off?

4. Why did the ref change his mind and award Hibbert a red card instead of a yellow?

5. Were Everton unfairly denied two penalties?

6. Should Kuyt have been sent off for his two-footed lunge?

Finally, in respect of what appears to be not only an inept but, also, some would say, biased performance, should the ref be banned in the same way that Rob Styles was after the Liverpool ? Chelsea game? Or does that only happen when a so called 'top four' team have been on the wrong end of poor refereeing?

Thankyou.
Mike Williams, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posted 20/10/2007 at 18:54:43

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Mark Creevy
1 Posted 20/10/2007 at 20:17:51

Save your fingertips Mike. Do you really think Lawrenson, botched facelift Hansen or that brownsnout Lineker will give an unbiased account on this game? It’ll be one big Gobshite love-in, as per usual.

Tony Marsh
2 Posted 20/10/2007 at 21:03:23

Blame the referee all you like Mark but playing the game like we do then you invite pressure and become architechts of your own downfall.What more do you expect from a side whos manager shits himself when ever a big game comes along.Moyes is as clueless a coach I have evr seen in the top flight and all the excuses in the world wont hide that fact

Mark Creevy
3 Posted 20/10/2007 at 21:21:06

I didn’t blame the referee at all Tony. Everton were shite, but Liverpool were hardly world-beaters. Everton didn’t deserve to lose in such a fashion. The writing was on the wall when Hibbert, Neville and Jagielka were picked in the same side, as far as I’m concerned.

Mike Hayes
4 Posted 20/10/2007 at 21:51:05

Gerrard is a cheating bastard and Everton played against 12 men, the ref wants hanging for refusing two stone wall penalties.

mark
5 Posted 20/10/2007 at 22:09:38

dont get your hopes up mike about MoTD, it’ll just be the usual piss take out of everton and arse licking of liverpool, i hope they all die on that shitty little show

Andy Watson
6 Posted 20/10/2007 at 22:21:31

In answer to your questions I would say the following

1. They were both tussling yes, however if hibbert was going to bring him down he should have done it well before the box.

2. Yes

3. Based on the fact that the ref gave the foul the question is ’Did he deny a goalscoring opportunity and the answer is YES.Its the opportunity that was denied

4. This is the confusing one. ref did say to gerrard it was only a booking and did have the card out. Gerrard clearly mouths that he was going to shoot so the ref went ’ oh well now you have said that I will send him off stevie’

5. One was stone wall yes

6. Probably yes

We do need to look at the whole game and if it was the other way round we would have taken all that was given had it been on Yakubu for instance (did he get into those positions)

Chris Townsend
7 Posted 20/10/2007 at 23:04:00

Actually, MOTD covered it pretty well. Hansen and Shearer both said Everton should have had penalties and that Kuyt should have been sent off. They described both the second penalty claim and Kuyt’s two-footed lunge as assaults and laughed at the idea that the referee could have missed them both. Shearer also said the referee should not have produced a yellow card for Hibbert and then changed it to a red after Gerrard spoke to him.

mike benjamin
8 Posted 20/10/2007 at 23:41:04

I think we lost the game when we didn’t try and strengthen the midfleld when we went down to 10 men. It was crying out for carsley to come on for one of the forwards. It was criminal that by the end we hadn’t used the 3 subs because there were at least 5 players whose legs had gone.

terry hayes
9 Posted 21/10/2007 at 03:55:41

totally agree with tony and mike benjamin,we haven,t got a midfield as it is so to leave carsley on the bench in a game where he does,s come to light was crazy ,why put baines on when the games fuckin over ,second half cheating bastard gerrard joined in an i just fuckin knew it was all over ok the ref was a red shite but one plan moyes should have changed it earlier,we all saw beneathus change his ,so why couldn,t moyes we were down to ten men,come on doddy where is your,e superman now

Paul Olsen
10 Posted 21/10/2007 at 09:53:57

Holding an opponent

Holding an opponent includes the act of preventing him from moving past or around using the hands, the arms or the body.

Referees are reminded to make an early intervention and to deal firmly with holding offencesespecially inside the penalty area at corner kicks and free kicks.

To deal with these situations,
? the referee shall warn any player holding an opponent before the ball is in play

? caution the player if the holding continues before the ball is in play

? award a direct free kick or penalty kick and caution the player if it happens once the
ball is in play.

? If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding
him inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick.

So, if it started outside the area is irrelevant if the ref considered him to be holding still inside. Not saying that he did, just stating the rules.

Dave Tootill
11 Posted 21/10/2007 at 11:23:44

Unfortunately for him & supporters, Hibbert is having a terrible season. Fortunately there are plenty of ’mid-fielders’ who can do a better job.
In this case, why didn’t he just let Gerrard shoot with his left foot? He can’t even score (for England) with his right.