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Nuremberg fisk

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Let me state at the top that ? despite a cynicism borne from the fatigue of having had to deal with Everton FC for the thick end of four decades ? I actually, for once, believe the club?s line that they didn?t refuse an extra allocation for Nuremberg.

Had there been an extra allocation, I?d have been among the next group of fans hoping to qualify. As it stands, it looks like I?m missing Nuremberg and I?m gutted. But, you know, I?ve got no gripe with all the Metallist-trekkers taking precedence. Is right.

Accepting the club?s line, though, I have to ask why it is that they still manage to make the waters muddier when they gamely try to clarify the situation?

The official EFC line dealing with the latest conspiracy, the so-called refusal of extra Nuremberg tickets, demands a little ?fisking? in order to demonstrate my point.

In other words, I think I need to ask why is it that, even when I?m prepared to believe the club, they actually make me even more suspicious that deep-down they?re really hiding something?

Here goes:

Starts fisk of official EFC explanation with my points in brackets:

Everton have strongly (okay, good, you?ve come out fighting, so I?m expecting total clarity) refuted claims the Club turned down the opportunity to receive an additional allocation of tickets for the Uefa Cup encounter with Nurnberg.

Everton's allocation of tickets for Matchday Two of Uefa Cup Group A, which will be played in Germany on Thursday, November 8 (yeah, yeah, we know when it is) sold out last week following incredible demand (no kiddin).

Reports have since emerged on fan sites (you mean like Toffeeweb? [More likely NSNO — Ed]) suggesting Everton were given the opportunity to receive an additional allocation of up to 2,000 tickets (glad to see that you?re talking precise numbers here, not percentages or entities) for the match but that Club officials opted to decline the extra tickets (yep, that was the general gist of the rumour).

Everton officials are mystified by the claims (strong words, so obviously with good reason, then?), particularly as the Club did everything in its power (how? do tell) to secure as many extra tickets as possible from their German hosts.

Mark Rowan, Everton's Head of Communications (so I'm expecting clarity, Mark), confirmed: "The Club met with Nurnberg following the draw for the Group stage (good, would expect no less) and were informed of the maximum allocation available to us (which was what, exactly?).

We received that allocation (which was what, exactly? why can?t you put a figure on it in the same way that you?re prepared to quote a figure up top regarding the 2,000 tickets that were allegedly rejected? start talking numbers, not entities) and despite repeated requests by the Club for extra tickets we were told there were no others available."

The allocation Everton received for the match (which was what, exactly? just why is it so difficult to quantify the exact number? hiding something? no? well tell us what the ?allocation? was, then - it really is that easy you know and it would kill all the mutterings stone dead) was similar in size to that of an away Premier League game in a similar sized stadium (so, we?re talking 3,000-ish are we? or is it more? or slightly less? in fact, why leave it to us to do the maths? why so long-winded?).

UEFA rules state visiting clubs are to receive 5% of the stadium capacity before segregation.  Everton received in the region of 6.7% for this fixture (em>so how many did we get, then? just tell us? a figure hey? not a percentage!).

Ends fisk of official EFC explanation.

See what I mean?
Greg Murphy, Liverpool     Posted 31/10/2007 at 15:58:25

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stand and deliver
1   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:14:16

umm hum um er um de da de so wheres the fucking tickets (in my pocket)
peter laverty
2   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:15:22

i really don’t see the point of this letter:

"UEFA rules state visiting clubs are to receive 5% of the stadium capacity before segregation. Everton received in the region of 6.7% for this fixture"

stop "asking what the figure was". if you are that bothered go look at the club’s capacity on their website.

Give up.
David Barks
3   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:29:32

What in the hell was the point of all that. The club stated their case clearly. Jesus Christ mate, just give it up already.
willo
4   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:45:42

Greg, if you was a real fan you would have already booked the flight and hotel like the other thousand or so that did. i got 8 tickets direct from Nurnberg on Monday Morning it only took a phone call!!! i think your not going because your teacher wont let you!! please leave the club alone and stop slagging it off all the time they issued a statment last week about it. Allocation is around 2700 give or take a hundred. Now do your homework! EFC on tour
Steve Williams
5   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:35:47

I too can’t believe that the club will have refused additional tickets, particularly when they KNOW that there would not be even the smallest chance that they couldn’t sell them.

However, I AM a little puzzled by the Club’s explanation of where the allocation has gone to:

"The ticket allocation was broken down in the following way:

19% to Official Everton Supporter Clubs
8% to directors and shareholders
13% to Corporate Supporters through a ballot process
12% to Everton Travel (subject to above criteria)
48% to General Supporters (subject to above criteria)"

Does this mean that the members of the ’Official Supporters Clubs’ potentially get two bites at the same cherry? It certainly looks like that. I happen to totally agree that those hardy souls that went to Karkiv should get first bite at other trips but can someone explain why a member of a supporters’ club should get priority - after all if they were a more active supporter than most (and went to Karkiv) then they should have qualified under the ’General Supporters’ criteria anyway. If they didn’t then why are they classed as a preferential group?
Greg Murphy
6   Posted 31/10/2007 at 19:05:40

Sorry, Willo, my humble apologies. You see, even though I’ve been going regularly since April 1972, I obviously need to explain to you that I’ve been a bit busy dealing with a family death of late to have been a "real fan". In your eyes, that is. Anyway, it’s clearly you who needs the homework judging from that grammar. Ask teacher to explain "was", "were" and capital letters. But better still, just stop badging other Blues as not "real fans".
willo
7   Posted 31/10/2007 at 19:25:52

I’m sorry if you had a family death but dont see why that gives you the right to slag off the club? If you dont wish to be questioned why make a stupid post in the first place? Seems to me your contradicting yourself, and your correct my spelling is atrocious, but I have fat fingers and cant type. EFC
Greg Murphy
8   Posted 31/10/2007 at 19:40:47

Willo, I don’t mind being questioned about the susbtance of my article - if you stick your head above the parapet and all that - which is why I haven’t responded to Peter Laverty and David Barks who both make fair points (and, yeah, maybe it is just me who thinks the club is being a little coy in this regard - but I’m hardly "slagging it off" BTW). But you questioned my Evertonianism. Don’t do it.
Anyway, end of and enjoy Nuremberg.
Terry Smith
9   Posted 31/10/2007 at 22:54:00

I do think Everton are hiding something.Why did Nurmberg save 2/3 blocks next to the away end for Everton fans only.This sold out within 3 hours.Also plenty of Everton fans have arrived back in the UK Last night or tonight with over double figures of tickets each to either sell on or to give to there mates.I did call FC Nurnberg to see if there was tickets left and was they just selling to German only fans as too many Evertonians have bought tickets. I was put through to someone else who more or less said that Everton rejected and sent back tickets.
John Beesley
10   Posted 01/11/2007 at 08:49:26

Terry, that’s priceless.
Our club make a statement about tickets so it must be ’smoke & mirrors’ but somebody on the phone in Germany tells you ’more or less’ we turned down tickets so they MUST be telling the truth.
Mark OBrien
11   Posted 01/11/2007 at 09:34:47

Im with Greg on this one. For the club to claim to be told they cant have a bigger allocation when loads of us were able to buy from nuremburg direct is preposterous. I think the key point here is buy. Everton obviously didnt want to pay up front. Exactly the same happened at Villa Real 2 years ago. Wyness claimed there was works going on in the ground reducing our allocation. Unable therefore to get a ticket through the club for our first major european adventure in 20 years, I paid well over the odds for a couple of tickets through one of these web site ticket agencies (licensed ticket touts) only to find on the day Villa Real were happy to sell tickets to our fans for wherever they wanted to sit.
Everton are a joke at the moment when it comes to tickets and fans in general.
I’m still waiting for my bloody Evertonia card WYNESS !!!!
James Thorley
12   Posted 01/11/2007 at 11:52:43

What’s all this rubbish about Nuernberg ’saving’ blocks for Everton fans or Everton not taking advantage of a an extra load of tickets. If you are buying tickets direct from Nuernberg you are buying in the home end! And if you go on the Nuernberg fan forums they are very unhappy that their club would sell direct to everton fans. That is the most amazing thing here, that a home club would willing sell a large portion of their tickets kowingly to away fans. (Good news for us though)
Mark Dodds
13   Posted 01/11/2007 at 13:37:37

Willo I’m not going because I can’t afford it - (I’ve got 2 weddings abroad this year as well as 2 foreign holidays with my missus to pay for) also, I can’t get the time off work and my bird would chop my bollocks off if I went. I still consider myself a proper fan. Are you suggesting Everton only have ’a thousand or so’ proper fans?
Lee Spargo
14   Posted 01/11/2007 at 14:18:41

you’re all mad
tony heslop
15   Posted 01/11/2007 at 16:57:46

How hard is it to be transparent and give the exact figure ? I’ve argued with the club for years, and it seems to be a point of principle with them, that they would save the box office enormous hassle answering (or not answering) numerous e mails and telephone calls, not to mention rubbishing wild rumours, if they followed LIiverpool and other clubs’ example and stated that " we have been given an allocation of ....tickets". The secrecy breeds cynicism and conspiracy theories and I don’t want to think that way about my club. Maybe it’s just me and a few others getting a bit cynical or maybe we are tired of the spin, smiling as we hear that "tickets for the Birmingham game are selling well" .
We’re Everton and I wish we were above that.

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