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Hibbert again
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Prompted by the warranted/unwarrented (depending on your viewpoint) of Tony Hibbert, I wanted to ask a question to the regular visitors of this site about the art of tackling.
A good tackle is ideally a standing tackle but sliding is just as good if you take the ball and then are able to come away with it. The End.
The tackles that Tony Hibbert has produced are hard tackles (which are also good, when executed) but contrast this with the amount of times he gets beaten by the man, dives in and commits fouls usually in dangerous areas, is caught out of position & his decision making is poor (eg. v Liverpool).
So the question is why do people come on here and comment that Tony is a 'solid defender' or 'great tackler' but then go on to critisize the rest of his game?
Because if you wanted to comment on his lack of actual ability with the ball (passing, crossing etc), that is also valid, just be aware that the other side of his game is not so hot either.
John Lloyd, Posted 02/11/2007 at 12:39:16
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Michael Kenrick
Haven't we beaten this one to death? He is a reasonably good defender... or at least he was. He now seems to be making more mistakes and the idea of him playing for England (yes, people were suggesting just that) seems laughable now. But he does perform a defensive function reasonably well. Going forward he is generally poor... but he has put in the odd decent cross once in a while. A bit like Arteta and his direct free kicks: generally poor, but he deos score from them once in a while... (oops, I shouldn't have said that, should I?)
Winston Zeddmore
1 Posted 02/11/2007 at 14:55:58
1 Posted 02/11/2007 at 14:55:58
Hibbert would have trouble tackling a three course meal right now.
personally, i have nothing against the man, Born in Liverpool (Huyton) and as i remember it a member of the everton team that won the youth cup in 1997/98.
I thought he was supposed to be a midfielder? Is he being played out of position, or has he adapted a new role?
In all honesty, and respect to the player he should go by the wayside at Goodison. Hes had a loyal 10 year association with us, but lets try to offload him and get in a much needed creative midfielder at the next available opportunity.
Sorry Anthony.
personally, i have nothing against the man, Born in Liverpool (Huyton) and as i remember it a member of the everton team that won the youth cup in 1997/98.
I thought he was supposed to be a midfielder? Is he being played out of position, or has he adapted a new role?
In all honesty, and respect to the player he should go by the wayside at Goodison. Hes had a loyal 10 year association with us, but lets try to offload him and get in a much needed creative midfielder at the next available opportunity.
Sorry Anthony.
Allan Hobbs
2 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:31:44
2 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:31:44
Hibbo in midfield......ahahahaa!
He struggles when people are in front of him, let alone when they’re coming at him from all angles! I’d love to see Hibbo play in midfield, especially supporting the strikers - that’d be worth the admission fee alone...
He struggles when people are in front of him, let alone when they’re coming at him from all angles! I’d love to see Hibbo play in midfield, especially supporting the strikers - that’d be worth the admission fee alone...
Anto Doran
3 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:45:52
3 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:45:52
Im not a big fan of Hibbert at all he is without question the weak link in an otherwhat strong looking defence, neville is or at least should be first chioce ahead of hibbert but what do we know we are just the fans and Moyes always gives hibbert his game?? really, hibbert playing bad at the top level at Everton is not his fault, he hasnt got the natural talent, but dont blame him blame the manager for playing him!
jayharris
4 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:59:33
4 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:59:33
jUST TO PROVIDE A BIT OF BALANCE HERE.
Tony Hibbert should not constantly be barracked on these pages.You are probablty the same people who thought Osman was the devil in disguise until recently.Hibbo is not the worst full back we’ve ever seen (anybody remember Earl Barratt)and you also have to bear in mind he has had no midfield cover in front of him and nobody looking for the ball from him.I am not a Hibbo fan but I wish people would look at the team and tactics rather than blame individuals.
Tony Hibbert should not constantly be barracked on these pages.You are probablty the same people who thought Osman was the devil in disguise until recently.Hibbo is not the worst full back we’ve ever seen (anybody remember Earl Barratt)and you also have to bear in mind he has had no midfield cover in front of him and nobody looking for the ball from him.I am not a Hibbo fan but I wish people would look at the team and tactics rather than blame individuals.
Ben Howard
5 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:04:33
5 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:04:33
I agree Anto. The lad can’t do much more than his best and if the manager refuses to drop him, he’s hardly going to retire himself for the good of the team. My heart sinks too when I see him on the team sheet but that wasn’t the case a few seasons ago (I clearly remembering him keeping some quality wingers very quiet!).
Tony never hides and loves Everton so lets get behind him when he’s on the pitch eh?
Neville is our best bet at right-back but I’d like to see Jags make that position his own within the next two seasons.
Tony never hides and loves Everton so lets get behind him when he’s on the pitch eh?
Neville is our best bet at right-back but I’d like to see Jags make that position his own within the next two seasons.
Brendan Fox
6 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:51:48
6 Posted 02/11/2007 at 15:51:48
WINSTON ZEDDMORE is that the same Winston from Ghostbusters cus it sure sounds like a comedy name with comments like Hibbert a midfielder! LOL! Next you’ll be saying why not try a midfield line up of:
RM Hibbert
CM Neville
CM Carsley
CM Jagielka
LM Valente
That looks like a midfield that would scare the shit out of most other teams in the..................Unibond League!
On a serious note Hibbert has not got the talent/skill level required in the Premiership. He can slide tackle I’ll give him that but every other aspect of his defensive duties he falls woefully short of the quality required. His positioning/reading of a game is that of a rabbit between the headlights as he looks like he’s filled his pants as he then realises he’s so far out of place he has to backpeddle then either concedes a foul around the penalty area or slides in to make the tackle or hopes sombody from midfield comes back to make a tackle. His distribution is not any better, he reminds me of the clips of those scud missiles the Iraqi army had which usually went high, wide of the target and not very handsome. Hibbert had a bliding 04/05 season but unfortunately that was in a defence that was much less talented player 4 player and since then he has not progressed or developed as a player. Take a look at all the top sides in world football be it domestic or international teams and the full backs are used as a major weapon in attack. If Moyes wants to be taken seriously by all and sundry as a good manager then he has to realise that the managers at the top make the right decisions based on what is best for the team, that sometimes means dropping or selling players if they don’t reach the required standard to enable the team as a whole to improve just look at Sir Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger neither of the m would loose any sleep of dropping or selling anybody in their squad if they thought they were not good enough. So Moysie do the honourable thing and put Tony up in the shop window, he has been a good servant to the club but has nothing more to offer. COYB!
RM Hibbert
CM Neville
CM Carsley
CM Jagielka
LM Valente
That looks like a midfield that would scare the shit out of most other teams in the..................Unibond League!
On a serious note Hibbert has not got the talent/skill level required in the Premiership. He can slide tackle I’ll give him that but every other aspect of his defensive duties he falls woefully short of the quality required. His positioning/reading of a game is that of a rabbit between the headlights as he looks like he’s filled his pants as he then realises he’s so far out of place he has to backpeddle then either concedes a foul around the penalty area or slides in to make the tackle or hopes sombody from midfield comes back to make a tackle. His distribution is not any better, he reminds me of the clips of those scud missiles the Iraqi army had which usually went high, wide of the target and not very handsome. Hibbert had a bliding 04/05 season but unfortunately that was in a defence that was much less talented player 4 player and since then he has not progressed or developed as a player. Take a look at all the top sides in world football be it domestic or international teams and the full backs are used as a major weapon in attack. If Moyes wants to be taken seriously by all and sundry as a good manager then he has to realise that the managers at the top make the right decisions based on what is best for the team, that sometimes means dropping or selling players if they don’t reach the required standard to enable the team as a whole to improve just look at Sir Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger neither of the m would loose any sleep of dropping or selling anybody in their squad if they thought they were not good enough. So Moysie do the honourable thing and put Tony up in the shop window, he has been a good servant to the club but has nothing more to offer. COYB!
Anto Doran
7 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:28:46
7 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:28:46
Ben i am kinda jumping on the band wagon of Hibbo haters here with my coment about him, I also do remember a few seasons back being and rightly so being first choice at RB, though, possibly that infection or virus he had that kept him out of the team I think for a large part of last season may be part of the reason he hasnt blossomed further into his role at RB, unquestionably his plays his heart out but his perfomances for the last long while have not being close to being good enough for the first team
Barney Fletcher
8 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:28:44
8 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:28:44
Why is everyone slating Hibbert?
Hes the best defender we have had since Ratcliffe.
A natural leader of men, he should be captain.
Not since the days of Ray Wilson and Mike Lyons have we seen such a great defender and determined individual who epitomises what is great about the club.
You leave him be.
Hes the best defender we have had since Ratcliffe.
A natural leader of men, he should be captain.
Not since the days of Ray Wilson and Mike Lyons have we seen such a great defender and determined individual who epitomises what is great about the club.
You leave him be.
Anto Doran
9 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:39:00
9 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:39:00
"A natural leader of men, he should be captain."
PMSL
Classic
that one will keep my sniggerin all the way home :)
PMSL
Classic
that one will keep my sniggerin all the way home :)
David OBrien
10 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:45:46
10 Posted 02/11/2007 at 16:45:46
Hibbert couldn’t tackle an English Breakfast.
phil
11 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:00:43
11 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:00:43
i played with hibbert in the everton school of excellence teams and he was always a defensive midfielder with ossie playing in the other central role.
He was always solid and after i moved on from the club i was suprised to see that he had been converted to a full back but then again it was walter that made him a full back he had everything walter likes the ability to play the long ball.
But while he pulls on the blue ill support him although i agree we need to find a better alternative.
On another note is it any suprise that with osman in the middle with carsley he has suddenly started making an impact on games?????
He was always solid and after i moved on from the club i was suprised to see that he had been converted to a full back but then again it was walter that made him a full back he had everything walter likes the ability to play the long ball.
But while he pulls on the blue ill support him although i agree we need to find a better alternative.
On another note is it any suprise that with osman in the middle with carsley he has suddenly started making an impact on games?????
Craig Taylor
12 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:02:59
12 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:02:59
Hibbert has been a fantastic servant to Everton, but imho if Everton want to continue the recent improvement and consistently qualify for Europe then Hibbert just is not good enough.
David OBrien
13 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:05:45
13 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:05:45
More importantly Phil, why aren’t you playing for us? Your Surname isn’t Jakielkaelkaelka is it?
Louis Tully
14 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:12:35
14 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:12:35
Tony hibbert has an asking price of 8 million which given a few years could double in value. You mark my words this time next year the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern Munich will be falling over themselves to acquire his signature.
On his day there is not a defender in the premiership that comes close to his all round, awareness and distribution.
Right now a swap for John Terry or rio ferdinand is not out of the question. He should be made player of the season when the accolades are handed out.
On his day there is not a defender in the premiership that comes close to his all round, awareness and distribution.
Right now a swap for John Terry or rio ferdinand is not out of the question. He should be made player of the season when the accolades are handed out.
JL Slap
15 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:59:01
15 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:59:01
Forget the defensive side to his game which is what this thread is about? but if he WAS a fucking midfielder Evelyn, shouldnt he be more comfortable on the ball or be willing to get involved with play not looking like a scared rabbit paniced to death when the ball is passed to him. 3 millseconds later the ball is usually deftly floated to NO WHERE for one of our forwards to chase like a twat.
The more I read on this its winding me up. Good Evertoninan - Yes
Professional - Yes
Nice lad - Probably
Good Enough - NO
Should he be in team - NO
Sorry Hibbo, I just say what I see. No more
The more I read on this its winding me up. Good Evertoninan - Yes
Professional - Yes
Nice lad - Probably
Good Enough - NO
Should he be in team - NO
Sorry Hibbo, I just say what I see. No more
dave t
16 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:45:36
16 Posted 02/11/2007 at 17:45:36
somebody mentioned earl barrett
ryan giggs has previously said that barrett is the best man marker he ever played against
how the hell did that happen?
ryan giggs has previously said that barrett is the best man marker he ever played against
how the hell did that happen?
Ben Howard
17 Posted 02/11/2007 at 18:44:05
17 Posted 02/11/2007 at 18:44:05
I don’t think anybody’s disagreeing with you JL but I feel strongly that if the manager is picking him he’s the one at fault, not Tony who is, as you’ve correctly pointed out a good professional Evertonian.
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