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After our recent performances with Lee Carsley in the team and everyone raving, pro Moyes team selection, why was Lee Carsley dropped in recent games? Does our manager really believe that Neville is a better defensive midfielder than our unsung hero? And what would have happened if Neville would have not been sent off in the derby? Sorry but once a Manc always a Manc, especailly when you got your brother playing for them. GET RID IN JANUARY.
Colin Malone, Posted 05/11/2007 at 00:17:10
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Brian Wolf
1 Posted 05/11/2007 at 04:32:24
1 Posted 05/11/2007 at 04:32:24
You big dafty Colin, of course Neville had to get sent off in the Derby he was stopping a clear goal going in and giving Tim Howard the best chance of saving a penalty, which he could have done. Neville is a veteran of the game now and his experience will come through during the hard times we will have playing in the UEFA cup and the Carling Cup etc etc.
As for Moyes being sacked, that’s a big pile of hairy turd, replace him with who exactly? Iain Dowie? Sam Allardyce (he’ll only be at Newcastle for so long), Sammy Lee? Benitez (he’ll be looking for a job soon), Jol? Could any of these losers seriously do a better job than good old Moyes’ nah, better the devil you know I say.
As for Moyes being sacked, that’s a big pile of hairy turd, replace him with who exactly? Iain Dowie? Sam Allardyce (he’ll only be at Newcastle for so long), Sammy Lee? Benitez (he’ll be looking for a job soon), Jol? Could any of these losers seriously do a better job than good old Moyes’ nah, better the devil you know I say.
Robert McWilliam
2 Posted 05/11/2007 at 05:25:57
2 Posted 05/11/2007 at 05:25:57
Brian i think the point Colin was trying to make was, was Carsley selected over Neville only due to the red card inccident, not whether it was a red card offence. Whos the dafty?
Anyways i agree, neville isnt going anywhere and neither should he when we have other positions/players in need of attention. Apart from his "profesionalism" he does play descent football and is capable of a descent cross. Jags will end up in the centre for ANC and prob in the future so it that leaves neville for RB. Unless of course you want... no i wont say it.
Give him a break.
Anyways i agree, neville isnt going anywhere and neither should he when we have other positions/players in need of attention. Apart from his "profesionalism" he does play descent football and is capable of a descent cross. Jags will end up in the centre for ANC and prob in the future so it that leaves neville for RB. Unless of course you want... no i wont say it.
Give him a break.
Michael Kenrick
3 Posted 05/11/2007 at 06:56:17
3 Posted 05/11/2007 at 06:56:17
Just watching the EvertonTV highlights agian, and every contribution they show from Neville was actually good. Numerous balls passed to a blue shirt, firing in a nice long throw... let’s get off his back, please.
Teeddy Draper
4 Posted 05/11/2007 at 07:33:58
4 Posted 05/11/2007 at 07:33:58
F.F.S. Colin, for f.....g years we are just about getting together what looks like something of a half decent FOOTBALLING squad, and people like you want to get rid of our captain, slag off our manager,etc,etc. I really would not have liked to have read posts (if they were possible then) from the likes of you, about other past managers and squads. Lets get behind them, one and all, F..K ME were ALL EVERTONIANS after all. p.s. Even Tony Marsh is reasonably pleased at the moment, ball on the deck, balls in the onion bag, what the f..k do you WANT?
Matt Geraghty
5 Posted 05/11/2007 at 09:40:28
5 Posted 05/11/2007 at 09:40:28
’’once a Manc always a Manc’’
..How sad
..How sad
Michael Newton
6 Posted 05/11/2007 at 09:43:09
6 Posted 05/11/2007 at 09:43:09
Phil Neville is a decent right back and deserves his place there.
Carsley deserves his place on merit he was brought back into the team due to suspension and proved himself and was therefore selected on merit.
Carsley is normally sacrificed as the defensive midfielder for a late substitution when we need a goal. He was kept on for a change and it paid dividends 2 great goals.
Who cares where players were born and who they previously played for wasnt Peter Reid and Dave Watson RS supporters
Carsley deserves his place on merit he was brought back into the team due to suspension and proved himself and was therefore selected on merit.
Carsley is normally sacrificed as the defensive midfielder for a late substitution when we need a goal. He was kept on for a change and it paid dividends 2 great goals.
Who cares where players were born and who they previously played for wasnt Peter Reid and Dave Watson RS supporters
Joe C
7 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:01:59
7 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:01:59
Anyone sitting in the paddock would have noticed a couple or three incidents with Phil Neville at the game on Saturday, both of which sum up his personality.
The first was a 50-50 (maybe Phil was only 45 for this one) with that twat Kapo - who was also responsible for that disgraceful kick out after the ball had been put out for treatment to a Birminham player.
Not for one second did it cross my mind or Phil Neville’s that he would shirk the challenge, which he won. After the ball had gone Kapo put a sly kick into Neville as he was getting up. He just ignored it and turned to the crowd and laughed.
Secondly, anyone who is actually at the match rather than watching the highlights is well aware of the passion Phil Neville displays when we scored and at the final whistle. You don’t see that on TV. It’s absolutely geniuine too.
"Once a Manc etc" is an absolutely disgusting comment from clueless idiots. The guy is a professional footballer, and without cliche, he is a model professional, which is as good a reason for the teamwork Everton show at the moment.
Actually he is also the best right back at the club and deserves at least this place in the team on merit.
Ray Houghton said on Talksport at the weekend that one bad apple in the dressing room can destroy a club and they must be got rid (Rooney anyone?). Surely the opposite - that the model pros are really valuable - is also true?
The first was a 50-50 (maybe Phil was only 45 for this one) with that twat Kapo - who was also responsible for that disgraceful kick out after the ball had been put out for treatment to a Birminham player.
Not for one second did it cross my mind or Phil Neville’s that he would shirk the challenge, which he won. After the ball had gone Kapo put a sly kick into Neville as he was getting up. He just ignored it and turned to the crowd and laughed.
Secondly, anyone who is actually at the match rather than watching the highlights is well aware of the passion Phil Neville displays when we scored and at the final whistle. You don’t see that on TV. It’s absolutely geniuine too.
"Once a Manc etc" is an absolutely disgusting comment from clueless idiots. The guy is a professional footballer, and without cliche, he is a model professional, which is as good a reason for the teamwork Everton show at the moment.
Actually he is also the best right back at the club and deserves at least this place in the team on merit.
Ray Houghton said on Talksport at the weekend that one bad apple in the dressing room can destroy a club and they must be got rid (Rooney anyone?). Surely the opposite - that the model pros are really valuable - is also true?
Michael Newton
8 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:24:42
8 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:24:42
Heard a rumour from someone sitting behind me on Saturday that Beattie is despised by the other Sheff Utd players due to his wages and flash car. Probably as his goals have now dried up a bit of dressing room discontent there.
With Rooney there was obviously that problem here in the dressing room however apart from VDM I think the majority of players are happy here, VDM should be happy when he picks up his wages for doing naff all. It really riles you when you see the likes of Duncan McKenzie and Dave Hickson on MOTD having to play host to the prawn sandwich brigade for a meagre fee when the likes of VDM and others pick up what they do. VDM isnt fit to lace Dave Hicksons boots.
With Rooney there was obviously that problem here in the dressing room however apart from VDM I think the majority of players are happy here, VDM should be happy when he picks up his wages for doing naff all. It really riles you when you see the likes of Duncan McKenzie and Dave Hickson on MOTD having to play host to the prawn sandwich brigade for a meagre fee when the likes of VDM and others pick up what they do. VDM isnt fit to lace Dave Hicksons boots.
Richard Flaherty
9 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:50:22
9 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:50:22
Once a manc always....?
So if that applies to scousers also what is rooney doing at the "wrong" end of the M62.
As for carsley, i was not at Goodison to see the late drama, but on my radio listening in i was treated to reports of - everton left it late thanks to goals by james vaughan and a "superlative 30 yard exocet" by lee carsley.
Must see this i mused, but later on match of the day it seemed the radio analyser must have got a bit carried away, or was one of carsleys greatest admirers. A good goal but nowhere near as what was described. Still three points nevertheless and four wins on four. Great stuff.
Was also witness on MOTD to another jamie carragher moment. Im sure that man used to be a basketball player. Seemed the referee missed it again.
So if that applies to scousers also what is rooney doing at the "wrong" end of the M62.
As for carsley, i was not at Goodison to see the late drama, but on my radio listening in i was treated to reports of - everton left it late thanks to goals by james vaughan and a "superlative 30 yard exocet" by lee carsley.
Must see this i mused, but later on match of the day it seemed the radio analyser must have got a bit carried away, or was one of carsleys greatest admirers. A good goal but nowhere near as what was described. Still three points nevertheless and four wins on four. Great stuff.
Was also witness on MOTD to another jamie carragher moment. Im sure that man used to be a basketball player. Seemed the referee missed it again.
Neil Alecock
10 Posted 05/11/2007 at 11:19:19
10 Posted 05/11/2007 at 11:19:19
I agree with Colin that Lee Carsley is an unsung hero and we miss him when he isnt in the team. However, i dont think he is as effective when we play 4-4-2 as he is just a stopper and not a creator. The 4-5-1 is made for him as he doesnt need to get forward so much and can sit off and wait for the ball to come to his zone.
I wrote a few weeks ago that i dont think Neville or Jags are midfield players but are defenders. Neville is the best right back we have and I agree with Michael that in the last game he was very good. He crosses the ball well and joins up at the right times. I also think the other players look up to him and he says the right things in the media.
Jags didnt look out of place at centre back either.
I happen to think that Moyes is doing a great job and has bulit in flexibility to the squad and some options. He knows we are light in the centre of midfield. I dont think anyone will go out in January but with luck we might see a top centre midfielder come in as that is where we are short.
Lets keep the faith - we are in all the cups and not far behind the RS in the league.
COYB
I wrote a few weeks ago that i dont think Neville or Jags are midfield players but are defenders. Neville is the best right back we have and I agree with Michael that in the last game he was very good. He crosses the ball well and joins up at the right times. I also think the other players look up to him and he says the right things in the media.
Jags didnt look out of place at centre back either.
I happen to think that Moyes is doing a great job and has bulit in flexibility to the squad and some options. He knows we are light in the centre of midfield. I dont think anyone will go out in January but with luck we might see a top centre midfielder come in as that is where we are short.
Lets keep the faith - we are in all the cups and not far behind the RS in the league.
COYB
Neil McKinney
11 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:47:35
11 Posted 05/11/2007 at 10:47:35
Whatever your opinions of Neville’s footballing ability, you cannot question his application, passion, commitment and leadership.
"once a Manc always a Manc"
What a pathetic thing to say! From the moment Neville rrived at Goodison, he has given 100% to the cause. On occasion his ability lets him down, but he represents EFC like a player who has been at the club for their entire career. He came from a club that has won everything in his time there, but he didn’t come with any Man Utd chip on his shoulder, thinking he was bigger than EFC. He arrived and got on with it like a true professional.
He did ok on Saturday as well. One thing that still bothers me with him though is his tendency to back off and back off until he’s pretty much in the goal. At some point you have to stand your ground and try and win the ball. Despite that small gripe I think he’s here to stay for now and I’m happy with that.
COYB!
"once a Manc always a Manc"
What a pathetic thing to say! From the moment Neville rrived at Goodison, he has given 100% to the cause. On occasion his ability lets him down, but he represents EFC like a player who has been at the club for their entire career. He came from a club that has won everything in his time there, but he didn’t come with any Man Utd chip on his shoulder, thinking he was bigger than EFC. He arrived and got on with it like a true professional.
He did ok on Saturday as well. One thing that still bothers me with him though is his tendency to back off and back off until he’s pretty much in the goal. At some point you have to stand your ground and try and win the ball. Despite that small gripe I think he’s here to stay for now and I’m happy with that.
COYB!
Walter Peck
12 Posted 05/11/2007 at 11:59:20
12 Posted 05/11/2007 at 11:59:20
Nobody can question Phil Nevilles commitment. I saw nothing untoward regarding the own goal against his former employers. Its not as if he intentionally put it in himself. Of course there will be eyebrows raised when a high profile player arrives from a local rival. But Phil is a steady, if unspectacular professional.
Take Norman Whiteside for example, although born in Belfast, he had eight good years at MUFC, and when he came to us at the end of the 1980s, nobody questioned his arrival even with the 1985 cup final still fresh in everyones mind. A shame to this day that his playing career was cut short by injury at only 26. He really could have done well for us alongside players at the time like Cottee, Nevin and Sharp.
Take Norman Whiteside for example, although born in Belfast, he had eight good years at MUFC, and when he came to us at the end of the 1980s, nobody questioned his arrival even with the 1985 cup final still fresh in everyones mind. A shame to this day that his playing career was cut short by injury at only 26. He really could have done well for us alongside players at the time like Cottee, Nevin and Sharp.
Allan Hobbs
13 Posted 05/11/2007 at 12:09:33
13 Posted 05/11/2007 at 12:09:33
Phil Neville is nothing but a positive influence on everything at Everton - say no more.
The original poster on this thread, you’re far from right I’m afraid, and to say ’once a Manc, always a Manc’ is pretty low mate. I thought comments like that were left in the playground. Phil Neville deserves respect for everything he does. The guys been a top pro for years, and I’ll lay money every other player at Everton wants him in the team every week.
The original poster on this thread, you’re far from right I’m afraid, and to say ’once a Manc, always a Manc’ is pretty low mate. I thought comments like that were left in the playground. Phil Neville deserves respect for everything he does. The guys been a top pro for years, and I’ll lay money every other player at Everton wants him in the team every week.
Stefan Tosev
14 Posted 05/11/2007 at 12:26:25
14 Posted 05/11/2007 at 12:26:25
Sad to say but the level of the recent drivel here is dumb, dumber...
Where are Ken Buckley, The Sparkes, T Hughes?
Where are Ken Buckley, The Sparkes, T Hughes?
blue shaun cook
15 Posted 05/11/2007 at 13:35:04
15 Posted 05/11/2007 at 13:35:04
Lets get one thing striaght neville is crap.FACT. Wheter moyes likes him or not hes still crap.FACT. He can t pass, clumsy in the tackle and no real pace and his shooting...... HE should be dropped end of
colin malone
16 Posted 05/11/2007 at 16:19:27
16 Posted 05/11/2007 at 16:19:27
Lee Carsley is our best defensive midfielder, past season has proved that. the season he was injured, it was no coincidence that we finished down the bottom of the league. So when i see him on the bench and neville gets the nod over him, its frustrating. Ok the remark once a manc is over the top but after seeing he,s actions against the manc,s ie when fernandez scored and clapping the away fans and shaking fergies hand, it does,nt wear well with me. I want players, once they put that blue shirt on, to die for the blue shirt and that was not the case with neville, when we played the manc,s
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Firstly, the thing you do when you have something approaching a half-decent squad is... rotate the players! Go through the squad one by one: the ONLY player who has NOT been rotated out at some point this season is Mikel Arteta. Fact. And as it should be.
On to your second point: Phil Neville is not my favourrite player, but of all the players in the squad, he is Moyes's chosen Captain. Just as calls for Moyes to be sacked are utterly ridciulous at this present time, so are these calls for Moyes to change his ways with Neville, who is clearly his ambassador on the field. A consummate professional, so they say...
I'm not one for making predictions but the likelihood of him going anywhere in Janaury is (as they say) "slim to none". BEHAVE!