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Interesting!

Interesting isn't it? Clattenburg does what he did in the derby and, quite reasonably in my view, Moyes has a real verbal go at him, not once, but on several occasions. Moyes' comments were the nearest I have ever heard to a manager calling a referee corrupt.

And the FA response? Not a peep!

Fergie makes a relatively mundane (for him anway) comment about Webb's officiating in Manure's game against Arsenal (and in many ways a silly comment) and the word is he is being called in by the FA!

I suspect the FA knew they could not defend Clattenburg and would have found it morally indefensible to punish Moyes under the circumstances. Moreover, they knew Moyes had more to say and it would have caused them even more embarrassment. In other words....they shit out! And these scumbags are the primary regulating body of English football?! It doesn't exactly instill one with confidence that the game is in good hands does it?
Dave Roberts, Runcorn Posted 05/11/2007 at 16:07:35

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Paul Gilligan
1 Posted 05/11/2007 at 18:27:00

To be honest, I don’t think its very interesting at all.

joe mcparland
2 Posted 05/11/2007 at 18:26:29

Spot on. This is exactly what i was thinking when i heard that ferguson was being investigated by the F.A. This shows that battenburg was undefendable even to the clowns at the F.A.
By the way did battenburg have a game at he weekend or was he still on holiday.

Dave McK
3 Posted 05/11/2007 at 18:57:41

He had a game.. and another nightmare.. gave a straight red to elliot omozusi for a nothing tackle..

Jeremy Benson
4 Posted 05/11/2007 at 19:50:03

I don’t find it interesting either. Its time to move on. History shows the result of the game.

Alex Baker
5 Posted 05/11/2007 at 19:49:20

That was Fulham vs Reading. I actually live in Reading and all my friends who are RFC fans that went to the game said he was totally crap.

Michael Newton
6 Posted 05/11/2007 at 19:57:29

He was sent off with 2 yellows not a straight red

Phil Engman
7 Posted 05/11/2007 at 22:57:26

and for those who saw MOTD2 last night you will see it was 1½ minutes between the "foul" on Saha and the Arsenal equaliser that Fergie thought was "in the lead up to the goal"

the ball went down the Utd end, back to Arsenal?s end and then back down the pitch again for Gallas to score.

So hope Fergie is never called as a witness in court. Perhaps he should complain about the Arsenal kick-off after the goal - as that also directly led to the goal.

Alex - Just shut up

Ajay Gopal
8 Posted 06/11/2007 at 07:40:57

What was hilarious about the Clottenberg red card in the Reading-Fulmam game, was the look of disbelief in the opposition players at the donecisi. The guy is really a muppet.

John Beesley
9 Posted 06/11/2007 at 07:56:00

Michael, Clattenberg did not produce a second yellow - it was a straight red which means a 3 match ban not a 1 match ban for the player.

Tyronne Dobbs
10 Posted 06/11/2007 at 08:40:55

Jeremy and Paul if you dont have anything constructive to say then dont say anything at all...

patty
11 Posted 06/11/2007 at 09:21:21

You beat me to it, Dave. I was going to put a similar letter on the mail bag this morning having heard last night the fuss Alex Ferguson was making.

Its not right is it? The FA will investigate the refereeing of their game against Arsenal but not ours against Liverpool with Clottenburg [ deliberate mis-spelling].
Something is wrong somewhere. Clattenburg’s refereeing was much worse and I really do think we should still make a stand about this and the Club should still follow it up even if it is a few weeks past. Its all right saying that what’s done is done and the game is gone and the points, but it does matter especially when it is against the Red Shite. We should still make a stand about this and insist that Clattenburg does not referee any of our games because of his bias.

Nelly
12 Posted 06/11/2007 at 09:48:10

Don’t forget who is in charge at the FA.....and what team he supports !!
Take people to task over decisions that are totally wrong but favour Liverpoo.....NEVER !!!!

Tony Fleming
13 Posted 06/11/2007 at 09:36:25

I like anyone was bloody annoyed at Clattenberg, but to be fair I blame the Football authorities for not having the sense to protect their referees decisions by giving them the opportunity of a 4th official playing back replays like they do in rugby. Their excuse is that it would stop the flow and excitement of the game. To combat this for example each team would be allowed two attempts to have an unfair decision replayed throughout the game, overall creating a maximum of four hold ups. This would help prevent all the players getting violent with each other setting a bad example to our kids. Incidentally a yellow card incident should mean a sin bin, which would effect the team, who would chastise their own player, this would help prevent the cheating. And if there was any verbal an automatic free kick would be given the other way. At the moment referees have a near impossible task and the way players behave towards them is discusting. Everton players seem to act in a professional manner, where not so far away the only way other teams seem to beat us at the moment is by cheating.

John Lloyd
14 Posted 06/11/2007 at 11:21:42

Tony Fleming, I agree in certain respects that the referees need more help, with various ideas sounding good ie - 4th official with replays, goalline cameras etc etc. But the biggest problem is the downright dishonesty of the players throwing themselves about like fannies or protesting innocence after a blatant foul etc etc.

Lastly Tony do not have any sympathy for that weaseling little shitstain Clattenberg, he was just a puppet for gerrard and was so far up the shites arse that there is NO WAY he should be allowed to referee in the top flight again. Never in a liverpool match & NEVER in a match in which we are involved.

John Lloyd
15 Posted 06/11/2007 at 11:29:46

One more question. I read all the responses from the FA & Keith Hackett sent to people who had complained and as expected they were shite.

What happens if you wrote back with the very simple point - I disagree & believe he may have been coerced into his decisions by his seeming friendship with the captain & players of the opposition forged on a far eastern trip with them as it is blatantly obvious that he is either not up to the levels required for a premiership referee or he was as earlier stated coerced or worse by other influences.

To go without punishment just means that it can go on in other games which would be potentially ruined (by the umpteenth time) by someone who is meant to be unseen yet craves the involvment or press.

Ledley Marsden
16 Posted 06/11/2007 at 11:25:58

Just think if Clattenburg or Poll had been in charge at the Oxford cup tie in 1984.

Adrians goal for whatever reason, would have been disallowed, and the whole subsequent glory period would never had happened.

Looking back the years of 1984-87 would have been as empty as a red shites head.
And before any bitching i honestlly believe if it had not been for inchy that night howard would have been a goner and the next three years would have never happened.

just a thought as the condemnation of referees and higher authority rears its ugly head once more.

Michael Newton
17 Posted 06/11/2007 at 12:34:38

I dont know what game you guys were watching but the Fulham player got 2 yellow cards, even on MOTD 2 they showed him getting the 2 yellows in the 1 minute highlight of the game.
Here is a snippet of the match report
Niemi earned his money with a fine save from Harper’s smart free-kick after Omozusi was harshly booked for barging into Hunt who then forced the keeper into another impressive stop.

Healy finished it in the last minute, arriving on a breakaway to put away Davies’ right-wing cross but Omozusi’s dismissal left a nasty taste especially as he did not even appear to make contact with Shorey for the second yellow card offence.
A second report
Konchesky walked in the previous home game against Derby and this time novice full back Elliot ’Junior’ Omozusi, 18, was harshly dismissed for two yellow-card offences by referee Mark Clattenburg, the second in stoppage-time.

Roy McCue
18 Posted 06/11/2007 at 12:46:55

How come people are still going on about this game - all over, done and dusted and in the histoty books as a defeat - get over it.....

Alan Humphreys
19 Posted 06/11/2007 at 12:47:59

I think the fact that Moyes had the guy from the LMA as a witness to the after match conversation with Clattenburg has helped decide what action or rather no action the authorities have taken - maybe Moyes could have himself requested a hearing...

But as a previous writer has stated what’s done is done, let’s move on.......

Lee Heath
20 Posted 06/11/2007 at 12:52:04

Effing Twattenburg !!!!

Simon James
21 Posted 06/11/2007 at 13:52:55

To Patty’s comment, I’m not convinced Clattenburg is biased against us - more for the RS
On this site after our game with Wigan, I saw gushing praise for his performance...
He also ref’ed Wigan v Liverpool when Wigan were denied a clear penalty (a foul by guess-who!) and had a "good" goal disallowed for offside

He should clearly NEVER be allowed to ref RS again

James Elworthy
22 Posted 06/11/2007 at 14:30:57

Michael Newton: your right it was 2 yellows for the Fulham player, the second was diabolical even the Reading players protested

Dave Roberts
23 Posted 06/11/2007 at 19:12:41

I feel some people are rather missing the point of my original mail. It was not about the result of the derby (I know that is in the history books now) but rather about the management of football by the FA. By picking and choosing who they take issue with in terms of the criticism of referees, this just exacerbates the problem of inconsistent refereeing itself. This is my concern. If referees can’t be consistent AND the FA can’t be consistent, what chance has the game got?

Dave Roberts
24 Posted 06/11/2007 at 19:24:29

Fulham sending off.

Correct me if I am wrong but as I understand it a player sent off for two yellows is shown the second yellow first and then the red. In this case the player was shown the red immediately after the offence and this means a direct sending off and hence the differing consequences.