Calling it a non-issue will not lessen the concerns for fans who do see it as a move outside the City. It's a fact that no amount of naysaying from those who don't care can negate. Yes, it can be rationalized away by any amount of mental gymnastics and questionable parallels, but the fact remains: Kirkby is not part of the City of Liverpool, and a significant number of Evertonians remain highly disturbed by what this means to them and their perception of their club. It is not smething that you, nor the Chairman of the Board of Directors should dismiss lightly.

I think Straford is in the London Borough of Newham which is in Greater London. The ?City of London? is tiny compared to the administrative/governmental area known as London which also includes the 32 London boroughs. Unfortunately there is no Greater Liverpool.

Now I am a real fence sitter on this one, I just can?t see into the future with the clarity some individuals seem to have but I will say that if our Chairman comes out with rubbish like ?Stratford is not in London? as his comparison I do get a really uneasy feeling.

Sebastian
I?m sorry to say your name and location says it all.
You may be a fellow blue but you have no idea what this move means to so many people.
I?ll go over old ground
1.It is nowhere near the City of Liverpool.
2.It does not have the infrastructure of Liverpool particularly transport and handling large amounts of support.
3.It means waving the white flag to LFC as we surrender the city to them
4.Kenwright has a terrible record of mishandling large financial projects!
5.The stadium costs havent even been properly evaluated.
6.And I believe most importantly the City is having huge amounts of investment put into its future whereas Kirkby has been decaying for a number of years.

Sebastian,

I don?t wish to take the piss, but surely no-one?s parents would be co cruel as to call the son of a St Clare ?Sebastian?? Apologies if that is your real name, but jeez! that must have been a burden on you.

Your calling this a ?none-issue? after your (mis)fortune of brunching with Bill and his luvvies demonstrates the very little understanding you have of the concerns raised by many fans.

The London Olympics are a one-off four-year event in case that had slipped your attention. They not an institution that lie at the very heart of the community they serve and they are not about to celebrate their 130th birthday in the city of their birth. Comparing the two is like comparing Botticelli and Rolf Harris and a man who moves in the privileged circles that you (evidently) do should certainly be able to see the whole picture.

Just run that by me again. Who?s got narrow vision?

Seb your last statement is one of the most singularly patronising lines I have ever read - "conservative, narrow vision which so typifies too many Evertonians on this (non)issue". The hundreds of postings on this and lots of other web sites show just how much of an issue this is, the blinkered views of the board have distanced them from the fans and supporters no matter how many token "one of us" gushing acting appearances BK may make.

Dave Randles

Sorry mate but get it right. EVERTON WERE NOT BORN IN LIVERPOOL. How many more times does it have to be said!

Excellent letter Sebastian and I agree profoundly. Don’t forget Man Utd are actually based OUTSIDE Manchester and it does them no harm - they are a ’Manchester’ club.

Things are lookin’ good on ’n off the pitch for our club. :lol:

Do the Olympics have a fan base created over 130 years?

Are the Olympics not meant to be a national event in any case? (certainly, we’re all paying for them)

What is the similarity between a football club that makes gain out of being ’the people’s club’ and a 16 day event that is unlikely to be repeated in this country in the next 50 years?

What in fact is the relevance of anything you’ve said Sebastian (we don’t get many of those at the match!).

The pomposity of your name is matched by your worthless article.

Dave Roberts,

You can say it all the times you like, but it won’t make it true.

A city like Liverpool grew very fast in the 19th century, and outstripped its nominal boundaries. If you had been around in 1878, and had asked the people who formed our club, and the people who watched it, whether they were Liverpudlians, they would have been amazed you even had to ask the question. Ask a local historian, or do a bit of digging yourself.

If you said "Well, that’s just like Kirkby now, " I could understand where you were coming from, although I wouldn’t agree. But don’t persevere with this "Everton don’t come from Liverpool" stuff. That would be like saying the Olympics won’t won’t take place in London because they’re not (quite) in the medieval Square Mile.

Which would, of course, mean that there are no London clubs.

By the way, didn’t we just have some sort of result tonight? I’m back to the beer.

If I’m not mistaken-and there can’t possibly be two of them-Seb St.Clare was born and raised in Blundellsands and went to a certain ’boys only’school with me in Crosby.His love of Everton frequently saw him punished for missing games with the oval ball and although he boasted a cut glass accent,no one I ever met sang Everton songs with more gusto.
Good to see you’re still at it mate-even if you talk as much twaddle now as you did when we were kids!

Dave Roberts,

You must be a Civil Servant(!!) with a degree (honours of course) in pedantry!

Neither was Wavertree, so you can add that to your list of those places that ?are not actually part of the city?.

Liverpool IS our city. Everton ARE part of the fabric of that city. Do you not think that holds more importance than a line on a 130-year-old map?

Fancy that eh, all this time I was thinking the Beatles were Scousers...

Good evening Gerard,

Clearly your earlier post about the ?non-issue?, and to quote you:

?I see no evidence of a ?large divide in the fanbase? ?

Clearly hasn?t embarrassed you - well you must be completely stupid. Please boys take no further notice of this imbecile.

By the way, comments so far on this site number 8:2 against your pathetic views of a non-issue.

Enough said.

I’m sick of having my harmless posts singled out just because i’m an ’enthusiastic’ yes supporter. I don’t attack the opposing view or the people who advocate that ’no’ view - Steve Williams grow up and realise there’s thousands of blues (the overwhelming majority in fact) who disagree with your position.

COYB!!!!

Well, Gerard, I’m sick of reading crap from you were you claim to talk for "the majority" or "thousands of Blues". If you come on here, you speak for yourself and only yourself. You are just one voice among many. Do not claim to be anything else.

Michael i’m disapointed in you - where on earth do I say ’I speak for the majority of blues’? I ’share’ the views of the ’majority of blues’ and ’thousands of blues’ but I speak only for myself...

COYB!!!

Mr Madden please stop pretending to speak for the majority of blues as apart from the fact you embarrass the fans with the drivel you write please get it right you like myself have no idea what the majority of fans think the vote was limited to season ticket holders ect I’m not going to repeat the old points just that the vast majority did not get a vote ,a fair sized amount we are lead to believe could not be bothered to vote and a substantial amount voted against so please explain how you are speaking for the majority and Seb one word describes your post BOLLOCKS

"...there?s thousands of blues (the overwhelming majority in fact) who disagree with your position."

"...just like all other true blues are.."

"I see no evidence of a ?large divide in the fanbase? "

"reflects the positive overwhelming feeling of the fanbase."

"...most of the rest of us are happy with things on and off the pitch."

"...they can?t be REAL blues..."


Just a selection of quotes from your pompous self-promoting nonsense. Most other people on this website manage to convey their thoughts without this kind of shite. Just speak for yourself and cut this crap. Final warning.

I don’t boast a fancy name and have lived all my life in the Dingle but I do agree wholeheartedly with St.Clare’s view.As long as Everton can keep playing as they are at present they can move to Warrington or St.Helens for all I care.It’s the spirit of the Club that matters not their bloody location!
But then,us scousers ’do sentimentality’better than anybody in the world-and always have!

Final warning? Talk about censorship eh - you’d have thought i’d have insulted, abused someone personally and disgracefully, and didn’t have at least some semblance of numbers (facts) to back me up.

Now I admit ONE of those examples is a valid criticism (’REAL blue’) but i’ve seen A LOT worse posted on here and I think -

"...there?s thousands of blues (the overwhelming majority in fact) who disagree with your position."


"I see no evidence of a ?large divide in the fanbase? "
"reflects the positive overwhelming feeling of the fanbase."
"...most of the rest of us are happy with things on and off the pitch."

- hardly constitutes as ’banning’ material. What’s your problem? I see many posts from people who think what they think is ’felt by most other blues’ not least over the stadium issue.

And I repeat the general point, the fans are buzzing, our fans arn’t daft, if they felt highly uneasy about something they would do something about it - not 35,000 happily plodding in and out of Goodison every week, not just a couple of dozen protesting but thousands - I just don’t see it do you?
Now stop over dramatising things - i’m not the bogey man you know, just a blue who’s happy with things on and off (yes Gavin) the pitch.

Does it matter where our stadium is as long as we keep on playing and winning as we have the last five games. I don’t want to see "the Old Lady" die but we have got to look forward.

As for not being in Liverpool.... well we all think ourselves as Scousers wherever in Liverpool or the outskirt sof the Pool we were born in ... just remember

There are two types of people in this world ..... Scousers and those who would like to be!!

Spot on patty - whether actually in Liverpool or in places ’joined on’ as if in Liverpool with the same accent as Bootle, Kirkby and Huyton are you won’t find anyone who doesn’t regard themselves as a scouser, moving further on to places like Maghull, Cronton and Widnes then you’ll find more of the defensive ’I’m not a scouser’ types.

While I accept there are blues out there with a different view to mine I think some people have to accept i’m not exactly in a minority of one with my view either as evidenced by the vote and the size of the ’protest’.

Just you behave yourself,Gerrard,and do what ’Big Brother’ tells you else you’ll have him ringing your employer to tell him you’re wasting firm’s time!

LOL - I’ll try to be careful Vic.

Turn it in all of you. If squabling about Liverpool is what you guys want to do after our recent run of good wins then carry on, but I think it’s totally counter-productive.

I understand how important EFC remaining in the city is to many Evertonians despite not being from Liverpool myself. I also understand people wanting to move forward since the vote and accept that we are moving. Many are still looking for options within the Liverpool boundary, but there hasn’t been much news on Kirkby or alternatives in a while.

It just riles me to see this bickering, I mean half of these posts don’t even offer any debate or reasoning, just insults.

Please can those who are happy to move to Kirkby respect that others feel a strong connection with and need to remain in Liverpool. Conversely, can the obvious ’No’ voters please stop personally attacking people who have differing views.

I’ve even seen the same argument used to prove both sides of an argument. Boundaries didn’t count back when Everton were formed (as it would appear that Everton’s home at the time was not officially within the city boundary) but boundaries do count now as Kirkby is outside the boundary. Which is it?

Come on guys let’s enjoy the current form, be appreciative of peoples opinions and stop these petty arguments. Debate is one thing, but name calling and insults between fellow blues is depressing and pointless.

COYB!!

This whole boundary thing......... comparing 19th century Liverpool to the present is more than a bit mischeivous by those who are pro-move. The analogy is fundamentally flawed on several counts...... They forget that there was next to no open spaces available within Liverpool of the 1890’s (unlike now), at which point it had the the highest density of any city in the country, and was growing at a faster pace than any city outside London. The inner city areas being massively over-crowded. Even by the time we moved to GP in the 1890’s the conurbation was already advancing for miles in all directions beyond Walton/Anfield with the population growing by over 100,000 per decade, and the city council was continually expanding its borders and would be doing so for a further half century. Whatever happened as regards boundaries, GP was always ever going to be only a couple of miles from the city’s, the conurbation’s and the local public transport network’s centre....... Kirkby can never EVER be that...... it will always be peripheral, and it may never even be part of Liverpool itself. In Kirkby, it will never have hundreds of thousands of Evertonians on its doorstep in all directions. The vast majority of match going blues will have to squeeze through the handfull of bottlenecks that serve Kirkby from the direction of club’s real catchment area, the city of Liverpool. This in no way compares to the decisions made by our founding fathers over a century ago. As someone who worked in Kirkby for over 6 years and also worked on major transport projects for that area, I have known for a long time that these practicalities cannot be skimmed over. Hence the reason for the club not releasing the initial damning transport studies, and more recently pushing for trams etc. The numbers simply don’t add up nor compare to those for the more central site. Therefore, it is not the NO-voters who are Luddites, these are people who want genuine progress...... for the club, not just for Tesco! People should remember that the majority either voted NO or were not convinced enough to vote Yes even in the one horse race of a single-option-vote. It would seem from some contributions to this thread that some yes voters still feel the need to reaffirm their faith in something they voted for without knowing any of the fundamentals nor options. Why is this if the path to progress is so obvious, or if the opposition is so minute? Have they perhaps began to wonder what their fellow Evertonians may think of them when it is shown what can be done to GP (for instance) for the kind of costs that are beginning to emerge for the Kirkby project? KW said pre-vote this would cost the club "Practically nothing", this went upto £50m within a few weeks of the vote. I have heard since that the latest figure is over £80m........ alarm bells anyone? Wouldn’t any discerning blue like to see what that gets you in redevelopment terms? Would’nt you like to know why we were told we couldn’t redevelop because we hadn’t the cash, yet we now need even more cash for Kirkby and that’s supposedly deliverable? If not, why not?!!!