Lyndon reported the team won a point "that most neutral observers would say they probably didn't deserve". What are we like? Wish we had played like Man City. Then Sky, BBC et al would be well pleased.
Phil Bellis, Posted 12/11/2007 at 01:08:10
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I was as ecstatic as any Blue when Cahill scored and I'm over the moon at the result and the attitude of the players that earned it... but I'm also realistic enough to know that they have a better team than we do, that we struggled without Arteta, that we probably played better here back in April when we deserved to win, and that we were a touch fortunate to draw yesterday.
Doesn't mean I won't take that point as some recompense from the footballing gods for being robbed against Liverpool or that I agree at all with the Times' assessment that Chelsea "murdered Everton for most of the match."
1 Posted 12/11/2007 at 02:44:19
2 Posted 12/11/2007 at 02:51:57
But there’re some encouraging performance by some folks though...
Howard - play well, had several good saves. 8
Yobo - Good cover in front of the keeper, a little slow though, maybe it’s because of his toe injury. 8
Lescott - Magnificent. Can’t remember any errors from him. Definitely in Maclaren’s plan. 9
Hibbert - Fine game, but often pressed the panick button a little too early. 7
Valente - Not too bad for a 33 year old. Was lucky that SWP played badly. - 7
Carsley - As usual, the unsung hero. Did all the dirty work. But why is he marking Drogba during set pieces? - 6
Neville - A sheep pretending to be a lion. Flew in unnecessary tackles. "Panick button" always on? - 5
Pienaar - Good foot work. Doubt with his speed. Too similar to Osman. On several occasions, he was missing when Chelsea counter. Valente was left alone defending. Hope he’s not part of Moyes plan next season. 6
Osman - As always, works tirelessly. 7
Cahill - Makes loads of problem for defenders. But without a playmaker, especially during the first half, he was busy winning balls back instead of attacking. 7
Yakubu - Did he play? 4
All 3 subs, McFadden, Victor & Grav played ok. At least a youth which cost nothing played better than the 11m quid man.
3 Posted 12/11/2007 at 04:05:53
I would take Pienaar over Osman any day of the week and i for one hope he is in Moyes's plans next year. Pienaar has talent and a touch of class and lets not forget hes only had half a season of Premier L:eague football under his belt. Osman is a handy squad player but will never amount to any more than that. We have a squadl of hard workers and what we need is some creative class to progress to the next level. Pienaar is precisley that next step from Osman and I for one think Osman will struggle for starts next year providing we get the midfield reinforcement we crave. Pienaar on the other hand has potential to be a consistent starter in the "classier" midfield we deserve. IMO.
4 Posted 12/11/2007 at 07:03:20
I think the 4 - 5 - 1 did not do us favours yesterday... also, with Phil and Cars in and Arteta injured, it really stemmed out our creativity.. so given the lack of resources, I thought the Yak did ok ..
5 Posted 12/11/2007 at 07:05:56
Chelsea didnt just get an underserved late equaliser at GP last year, they went on and got the winner, I didnt hear anyone say how Jammy they were then, they just talked about the quality of their goals
Why cant we do the same ?
6 Posted 12/11/2007 at 07:11:06
I have a feeling that the decision to sub Yakubu at half time was posisbly partially influenced by the demands of the midweek game.
Daffy - for the goal, it was Lescott marking Drogba. The goal was certainly due to Lescott and not Carsley, Lescott let him go and he nicked in front of Carsley who obviously couldn’t see him coming. I think you can chalk that up as an error! Had Lescott gone with him and challenged, I doubt very much that he would have scored.
Once again, Yakubu didn’t get any kind of service. Would probably have been a good game for AJ up on his own to stretch their defence and leave gaps for Cahill and Pienaar. Team selection was largely forced by fitness....
As for the original post - we were fortunate. There were 3 or 4 occasions before Drogba scored where another day would have seen us concede. Massive credit still goes to the players for grinding a point out of this one. These are the results which will see us move up the league.
7 Posted 12/11/2007 at 06:38:36
If the stats were reversed and Chelsea (or any of the Big 3) had our abysmal percentage of possession and attempts on goal, then all the reports would be that Chelsea (they) had the ’class’ and ’quality’ to convert their minimal chances and that Everton squandered a myriad of opportunity due to a lack of. So why when it is us that capitalised on our few chances, (and what a capitlisation it was!), is there a 180 in opinion? double standards?
In my view, Chelsea didn’t deserve to win simply because we had one moment of brilliance. They couldn’t stop it, we cracked them and they dropped 2 pts. Too bad. A win is a win, a draw is a draw. Tell that to the neutrals!
8 Posted 12/11/2007 at 08:19:27
I think the point is excellent when you consider the injuries and fatigue caused by so many games. However this is how we often fair against the so called big four. In some ways I’d like to see the inevitable goal we concede scored before half time as we all know its coming and then when it does we start to be a bit more adventurous!
Must say I thought big vic (a player i have to say I havent really rated until recently) was excellent yesterday along with Howard and the centre halves. All in all an excellent result which sets us up nicely for the Sunderland game
9 Posted 12/11/2007 at 09:17:42
10 Posted 12/11/2007 at 09:07:46
11 Posted 12/11/2007 at 09:19:44
And who knows what might have happened if Pienaar had connected with the ball instead of fresh air with his chance in the first half.
12 Posted 12/11/2007 at 10:11:51
In Football you make your own luck, we had none against Liverpool but had some against Chelsea.
A few years ago we would been well beaten, and luck wouldnt of come into it.
So it is in a way a sign of progress that we are able to play against the top teams and be involved in very close game that could go either way depending on a bit of luck.
13 Posted 12/11/2007 at 10:04:13
"Pienaar - Good foot work. Doubt with his speed. Too similar to Osman. On several occasions, he was missing when Chelsea counter. Valente was left alone defending. Hope he?s not part of Moyes plan next season. 6"
You doubt his speed? He’s not lightning but he’s definatly nippy and probably our quickest midfielder on the break. He is also one of our most hardworking players so its not like he left Valente on his own on purpose. The lads a quality player in my eyes and you fail to realise the contribution he has already made to our season.
He has played 12 games and scored 1 goal combined with 5 assists. Yes thats right he’s our second most creative player after Arteta. He’s set up goals against Larisa AE, Metalist Kharkiv, Birmingham, Nuremberg etc.
Good player who needs signing and would be a bargain at 2 million.
14 Posted 12/11/2007 at 10:16:35
15 Posted 12/11/2007 at 10:21:26
I was happy with the result, and the goal Cahill scored.
16 Posted 12/11/2007 at 12:06:54
Sorry Daffy, but as a few people have already pointed out, it is clear that you don’t have much of a talent for punditry. I will not pick apart your entire run down of players performances but, with the exception of singling out Neville for criticism, and praising an outstanding Howard, a lot of what you say is crap.
Pienaar has been outstanding for us in the last few games and after I saw the effort he put in against Larissa and Birmingham, there is no doubt in my mind that he does not forget his defensive duties. Speed is a doubt? Idiot! You should be a journalist, you’re about as accurate as most.
Lescott had another good game, but as has already been pointed out he was at fault for their goal, so not quite as faultless as you thought.
I never thought the Yak would shine in this game. Away at Chelsea? He was never going to get much to work with, especially with Arteta out. Worked hard though.
This was a fantastic result for us and I don’t even see the point in offering up any negatives about the performance. We’ve had a great run in the last 6 games and to get a point from Chelsea when they haven’t lost there in 3½ years is a cracking result. Deserve it or not we got it and nobody can take it away.
Most shocking thing about the game was Fat Frank didn’t score! Must be the first time in a while that he hasn’t netted against us the fat bastard!
17 Posted 12/11/2007 at 13:03:12
18 Posted 12/11/2007 at 23:39:23
Howard not domminant. Has dithered on too many occasions,just ask the centre-halves. Sign Isaksson from Man City if young English goalkeepers unavailble. Neville to go, agree about the panic button.