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Arteta or Cahill? Who gives the greater impact in games?
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I have been pondering for a while on who is the better player for Everton. Or rather which player can make a more significant impact when they are playing. Is it Arteta or Cahill?
I know that both of them have different styles of play. Arteta has the dribbling skills and ability to make that one pass to split the oppositiondefence. And Cahill has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. Everton cannot do without either of them in the team as they are very important players. But impact on games?
My vote goes to Arteta......
Raid Ng, Posted 13/11/2007 at 03:50:36
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Greg Nickson
2 Posted 13/11/2007 at 04:59:59
2 Posted 13/11/2007 at 04:59:59
The thing is Steve, we are a completely different team for the entire 90 minutes without Arteta - the same cannot be said for Cahill.
Cahill is an impact player - and an extremely good one at that - but Arteta changes the way the team is set up and how we try and play the game.
As stated above, we are a far, far better side with them both in the team, but from a ?who do we need more?? perspective, it?s got to be Arteta. As our only player who can dictate play and pick a pass, we?d be a disaster without Arteta regularly in the team.
Cahill is an impact player - and an extremely good one at that - but Arteta changes the way the team is set up and how we try and play the game.
As stated above, we are a far, far better side with them both in the team, but from a ?who do we need more?? perspective, it?s got to be Arteta. As our only player who can dictate play and pick a pass, we?d be a disaster without Arteta regularly in the team.
Arthur Jones
3 Posted 13/11/2007 at 06:53:47
3 Posted 13/11/2007 at 06:53:47
My vote goes to Mikel , but by a whisker , Tim is one of those players who you don?t realise how much he?s missed until he?s not there , how many times have we all watched a match and there?s a loose ball in the opposing penalty area and yu just know if Tim was there....... but Mikel adds another dimension to the team , defenders don?t know how to handle him , tackle him and there?s a free kick given by virtue of his ball control is that good they can?t helpbut foul him , Stand off him and he?s past you and laying a great pass/cross off , This takes so much pressure of the rest of the team . Chelsea wouldn?t have had half as much possession on Sunday if he?d played , He also brings Ossie and Pienaar into the game which sparks off some of our recent new found one touch passing game .
Of course when the 2 of them play we?re a much better team and I think it?s not too long before we take some unsuspecting apart completely and knock about 5 or 6 past them
Of course when the 2 of them play we?re a much better team and I think it?s not too long before we take some unsuspecting apart completely and knock about 5 or 6 past them
Azlan Deniel
4 Posted 13/11/2007 at 07:53:19
4 Posted 13/11/2007 at 07:53:19
Its close to call. But what I do know for sure is that Everton needs both of them!
Mick Mac
5 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:28:12
5 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:28:12
Arteta, but the little Spaniard got an habit of going missing in some games. The one player we cant afford to be without is the one and only Tim Howard is becoming a world class keeper and I bet old whisky face Ferguson is gutted he sold him.
James Elworthy
6 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:49:31
6 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:49:31
Cahill has to get the vote hands down he is the one who scores goals at key times, Arteta doesnt score that many.
I am also frustrated on how many Arteta corners and free kicks are poor compared to good ones, he seems to not clear the first man to often on corners, and it was interesting the Cahill goal v Luton and the Lescott v Bolton goals were Gravesen corners.
I am also frustrated on how many Arteta corners and free kicks are poor compared to good ones, he seems to not clear the first man to often on corners, and it was interesting the Cahill goal v Luton and the Lescott v Bolton goals were Gravesen corners.
Gez Frinton
7 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:34:11
7 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:34:11
Without doubt Cahill.
Peter Simo
8 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:50:33
8 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:50:33
Mikel Arteta is the most talented player Everton have had in a generation, he is probably the only Everton Player together with Lescott who would get into most top European teams. And I dont think you have seen the best of Mikel, If he had someone in the middle of the park to do his running he would be the finished product, he gets isolated sometimes on the right.
James Elworthy
9 Posted 13/11/2007 at 10:28:42
9 Posted 13/11/2007 at 10:28:42
I think Arteta is a great player but he needs to improve his dead ball kicks and get more involved in the big games.
He can look good against the lesser lights but i want to see him do that against Arsenal and Chelsea as well because he appears to go missing in those games.
He can look good against the lesser lights but i want to see him do that against Arsenal and Chelsea as well because he appears to go missing in those games.
Mike Oates
10 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:30:59
10 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:30:59
Totally agree with Gez , without a shadow of doubt - Tim Cahill is our most valuable impact player. Lampard,Gerrard,Scholes,Fabregas are the "headliner" midfield players elsewhere and that’s because they score goals on a regular bais - as does Tim . Mikel needs to convert his undoubted ability into goals - at least 10-12 a season to categorise him as an impact player.
Gavin Holland
11 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:39:19
11 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:39:19
Couldn?t have one without the other. They are salt and vinegar. Fish and Chips. ham and cheese. Whiskey and ginger. The perfect blend.
James Elworthy
12 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:48:20
12 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:48:20
We seem to have impact players:
Vaughan, Anichebe and McFadden are all impact players, if Vaughan is fit he is a first choice for me, but too have Vic and Faddy on the bench with Tommy G, all 3 can make a major impact.
We have got a strong bench these days, much better than when we had Naysmith, Kilbane & Beattie on it who could not make any impact.
Vaughan, Anichebe and McFadden are all impact players, if Vaughan is fit he is a first choice for me, but too have Vic and Faddy on the bench with Tommy G, all 3 can make a major impact.
We have got a strong bench these days, much better than when we had Naysmith, Kilbane & Beattie on it who could not make any impact.
Dutch Schaffaer
13 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:15:25
13 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:15:25
Cahill gets important goals but his game is nowhere near as good as Arteta’s.
Apart from goals, Cahill offers little else, limited passing and limited vision. He does to his credit work hard but then so does Arteta.
The really annoying thing with Cahill is that we have to play 4-5-1 when he’s in the team because he’s not good enough to play in a four man midfield.
Pretty soon Everton are going to have to play two strikers and then Cahill is going to have to up his game and play in a four man midfield or drop to the bench.
Arteta is the better player in my opinion.
Apart from goals, Cahill offers little else, limited passing and limited vision. He does to his credit work hard but then so does Arteta.
The really annoying thing with Cahill is that we have to play 4-5-1 when he’s in the team because he’s not good enough to play in a four man midfield.
Pretty soon Everton are going to have to play two strikers and then Cahill is going to have to up his game and play in a four man midfield or drop to the bench.
Arteta is the better player in my opinion.
Tony Williams
14 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:16:26
14 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:16:26
My thoughts exactly James. This must be the first season where Moyes turns around and looks at his bench, doesn’t sigh heavily and turn back to the game.
Our bench now has "impact" players and I bet Moyes is enjoying the striker headache he must have.
Gone are the days of having youth squad members on the bench to pad out the numbers.
Our bench now has "impact" players and I bet Moyes is enjoying the striker headache he must have.
Gone are the days of having youth squad members on the bench to pad out the numbers.
Andy Lea
15 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:18:42
15 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:18:42
Think its unfair to compare them in this way really - very different styles of play - as in most posts the ideal is to have them both in your team.
Goals aside what I noticed in Cahills absence is just how much you miss the amount of ground he covers in the 1st minute and in the 90th minute - his work rate is outstanding and infectious. Plus I would hate to play against him - he is a niggly little so and so - most obvious one I can think of is when we beat the Arse 1-0 (Beattie) and Tim suckered Fabregas in to lashing out - 10 men job doone!
As for Mik, I love the fella and cant wait till he is back on top form - last season he made make noises usually confined to the bedroom.
Different players and credit to Moyes we got em both and hopefully for the long term!
Goals aside what I noticed in Cahills absence is just how much you miss the amount of ground he covers in the 1st minute and in the 90th minute - his work rate is outstanding and infectious. Plus I would hate to play against him - he is a niggly little so and so - most obvious one I can think of is when we beat the Arse 1-0 (Beattie) and Tim suckered Fabregas in to lashing out - 10 men job doone!
As for Mik, I love the fella and cant wait till he is back on top form - last season he made make noises usually confined to the bedroom.
Different players and credit to Moyes we got em both and hopefully for the long term!
ian tunny
16 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:17:32
16 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:17:32
Arteta
Cahil may score the goals but just as important Arteta creates them. Arteta will have more assissts than cahil has goals come the end of the season. Also we showed how much we needed cahil when we managed to finish 6th and we were without him for nearly the whole seaon. Ateta just dominated games, I doubt we would of been in the top 10 without Arteta. He was player of the month nearly every month and always contender for player of the season.
Cahil may score the goals but just as important Arteta creates them. Arteta will have more assissts than cahil has goals come the end of the season. Also we showed how much we needed cahil when we managed to finish 6th and we were without him for nearly the whole seaon. Ateta just dominated games, I doubt we would of been in the top 10 without Arteta. He was player of the month nearly every month and always contender for player of the season.
Robbie Kirkham
17 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:31:21
17 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:31:21
Its a tough choice but i think Cahill has the bigger impact on games i hate the comment that was made by Dutch Schaffer that all Cahill offers are goals and little else games are won with goals not fancy tricks and sometimes holding onto the ball too long but anyway i love both of them
Tony Williams
18 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:54:56
18 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:54:56
Well said Robbie.
Daft statement by Dutch really but the thing with Cahill is his presence and his winning mentality. It is catching, I suspect that a lot of players play better with Timmy in the side and I know for certain that Arteta and the forwards will have less defenders surrounding them, as they know they have to pick up Cahill, unlike when they were man marking the likes of Fadds and the Yak in his early games.
He worries defenders and has that magical coat of invisibility where he mysteriously just appears in the box in the right place as if by magic.
Daft statement by Dutch really but the thing with Cahill is his presence and his winning mentality. It is catching, I suspect that a lot of players play better with Timmy in the side and I know for certain that Arteta and the forwards will have less defenders surrounding them, as they know they have to pick up Cahill, unlike when they were man marking the likes of Fadds and the Yak in his early games.
He worries defenders and has that magical coat of invisibility where he mysteriously just appears in the box in the right place as if by magic.
Michael Newton
19 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:58:11
19 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:58:11
I agree with comments re the strength of the bench with 2 or 3 impact players on it these days. Gone are the days when the bench had two left backs and 2 youth team players. 3 impact players plus a defender on the bench these days is good.
Mark Stone
20 Posted 13/11/2007 at 14:41:23
20 Posted 13/11/2007 at 14:41:23
Who gives a shit? The important thing is to have them BOTH fit and BOTH playing week in week out.
Arteta is a better player when Cahill is playing and Cahill is a better player when Arteta is playing. Without each other they’re both still good players but TOGETHER they’re excellent
Arteta is a better player when Cahill is playing and Cahill is a better player when Arteta is playing. Without each other they’re both still good players but TOGETHER they’re excellent
Connor Rohrer
21 Posted 13/11/2007 at 15:44:51
21 Posted 13/11/2007 at 15:44:51
Dutch, Cahill can play in a 4-4-2 no problem. He wont score as many goals but he got 8/9 goals the season we finished 11th and for the majority of games in a 4 man midfield.
No he’s not a ball player but he’s certainly not a limited footballer. His long range game is average but his short one two passing is very good and helps us player better football.
If he didn’t offer anything other than goals then why has our football improved aswell as our results. He offers energy, drive, aggression, aerial ability and good movement.
The likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta need players like Cahill to play there best stuff. His movements lets them create. Pienaar has like 4/5 assists now and most have come since the return of Cahill.
Dont get me wrong I’m not making out he’s Ronaldo but he’s far from limited. We need Arteta more but Cahill + Arteta is a lot better.
No he’s not a ball player but he’s certainly not a limited footballer. His long range game is average but his short one two passing is very good and helps us player better football.
If he didn’t offer anything other than goals then why has our football improved aswell as our results. He offers energy, drive, aggression, aerial ability and good movement.
The likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta need players like Cahill to play there best stuff. His movements lets them create. Pienaar has like 4/5 assists now and most have come since the return of Cahill.
Dont get me wrong I’m not making out he’s Ronaldo but he’s far from limited. We need Arteta more but Cahill + Arteta is a lot better.
Nick Xenos
22 Posted 13/11/2007 at 22:14:27
22 Posted 13/11/2007 at 22:14:27
Both good players in their own right. Arteta is the more technically gifted player with great ball control and a fantastic range of passing, whereas Timmy has great engines, a goal poacher’s instict and good aerial ability. If only Mikel had Cahill’s attitude and spirit in terms of paying no respect to the opposition, he would be in the Spanish team by now. No matter if Timmy is playing against Man U or Derby, he will get ’stuck in’ in the same way. In short, Tim has no time for reputations, a big game player, whereas I think our Mikel is sometimes overawed by the big occasion.
Michael Tracey
23 Posted 14/11/2007 at 03:57:52
23 Posted 14/11/2007 at 03:57:52
God you make some stupid comments Dutch! I think you have had one too many tokes on the pipe. Cahill when fit would be one of the first on the team sheet every week. He is one of them players that can play in any system. He scores goals at any level and I can tell you that Australia sure as shit don’t play 4-5-1 to accomadate him! He is our version of David Platt. He has without doubt made the most influence on our team this season and hes only played a handful. Arteta is struggling this year! If any one out of the 2 is looking likely to be benched I would say it would be Arteta!
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1 Posted 13/11/2007 at 04:33:17