I have been pondering for a while on who is the better player for Everton. Or rather which player can make a more significant impact when they are playing. Is it Arteta or Cahill?
I know that both of them have different styles of play. Arteta has the dribbling skills and ability to make that one pass to split the oppositiondefence. And Cahill has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. Everton cannot do without either of them in the team as they are very important players. But impact on games?
My vote goes to Arteta......
Raid Ng, Posted 13/11/2007 at 03:50:36
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1 Posted 13/11/2007 at 04:33:17
2 Posted 13/11/2007 at 04:59:59
Cahill is an impact player - and an extremely good one at that - but Arteta changes the way the team is set up and how we try and play the game.
As stated above, we are a far, far better side with them both in the team, but from a ?who do we need more?? perspective, it?s got to be Arteta. As our only player who can dictate play and pick a pass, we?d be a disaster without Arteta regularly in the team.
3 Posted 13/11/2007 at 06:53:47
Of course when the 2 of them play we?re a much better team and I think it?s not too long before we take some unsuspecting apart completely and knock about 5 or 6 past them
4 Posted 13/11/2007 at 07:53:19
5 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:28:12
6 Posted 13/11/2007 at 08:49:31
I am also frustrated on how many Arteta corners and free kicks are poor compared to good ones, he seems to not clear the first man to often on corners, and it was interesting the Cahill goal v Luton and the Lescott v Bolton goals were Gravesen corners.
7 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:34:11
8 Posted 13/11/2007 at 09:50:33
9 Posted 13/11/2007 at 10:28:42
He can look good against the lesser lights but i want to see him do that against Arsenal and Chelsea as well because he appears to go missing in those games.
10 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:30:59
11 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:39:19
12 Posted 13/11/2007 at 11:48:20
Vaughan, Anichebe and McFadden are all impact players, if Vaughan is fit he is a first choice for me, but too have Vic and Faddy on the bench with Tommy G, all 3 can make a major impact.
We have got a strong bench these days, much better than when we had Naysmith, Kilbane & Beattie on it who could not make any impact.
13 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:15:25
Apart from goals, Cahill offers little else, limited passing and limited vision. He does to his credit work hard but then so does Arteta.
The really annoying thing with Cahill is that we have to play 4-5-1 when he’s in the team because he’s not good enough to play in a four man midfield.
Pretty soon Everton are going to have to play two strikers and then Cahill is going to have to up his game and play in a four man midfield or drop to the bench.
Arteta is the better player in my opinion.
14 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:16:26
Our bench now has "impact" players and I bet Moyes is enjoying the striker headache he must have.
Gone are the days of having youth squad members on the bench to pad out the numbers.
15 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:18:42
Goals aside what I noticed in Cahills absence is just how much you miss the amount of ground he covers in the 1st minute and in the 90th minute - his work rate is outstanding and infectious. Plus I would hate to play against him - he is a niggly little so and so - most obvious one I can think of is when we beat the Arse 1-0 (Beattie) and Tim suckered Fabregas in to lashing out - 10 men job doone!
As for Mik, I love the fella and cant wait till he is back on top form - last season he made make noises usually confined to the bedroom.
Different players and credit to Moyes we got em both and hopefully for the long term!
16 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:17:32
Cahil may score the goals but just as important Arteta creates them. Arteta will have more assissts than cahil has goals come the end of the season. Also we showed how much we needed cahil when we managed to finish 6th and we were without him for nearly the whole seaon. Ateta just dominated games, I doubt we would of been in the top 10 without Arteta. He was player of the month nearly every month and always contender for player of the season.
17 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:31:21
18 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:54:56
Daft statement by Dutch really but the thing with Cahill is his presence and his winning mentality. It is catching, I suspect that a lot of players play better with Timmy in the side and I know for certain that Arteta and the forwards will have less defenders surrounding them, as they know they have to pick up Cahill, unlike when they were man marking the likes of Fadds and the Yak in his early games.
He worries defenders and has that magical coat of invisibility where he mysteriously just appears in the box in the right place as if by magic.
19 Posted 13/11/2007 at 13:58:11
20 Posted 13/11/2007 at 14:41:23
Arteta is a better player when Cahill is playing and Cahill is a better player when Arteta is playing. Without each other they’re both still good players but TOGETHER they’re excellent
21 Posted 13/11/2007 at 15:44:51
No he’s not a ball player but he’s certainly not a limited footballer. His long range game is average but his short one two passing is very good and helps us player better football.
If he didn’t offer anything other than goals then why has our football improved aswell as our results. He offers energy, drive, aggression, aerial ability and good movement.
The likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta need players like Cahill to play there best stuff. His movements lets them create. Pienaar has like 4/5 assists now and most have come since the return of Cahill.
Dont get me wrong I’m not making out he’s Ronaldo but he’s far from limited. We need Arteta more but Cahill + Arteta is a lot better.
22 Posted 13/11/2007 at 22:14:27
23 Posted 14/11/2007 at 03:57:52