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Stand up and be heard
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So the debate goes on about our new Tesco extra stadium. Yeah it does look crap and the presentation of that video peice was diabolical, and insulting to those who love the club! If the new stadium is as shoddy and cheap looking as that then we are in big trouble!
It's quite interesting to see how many people before and after the ballot have spoken up about being against the plans, yet far less from the yes camp ever seem to voice their reasons for being in favour. Unfortunately though they made their voice heard during the ballot, and the rest of us are faced with the prospect of a tacky rubbish footy stadium that has no soul.
The point I guess I am trying to make is that when it mattered the 'yes' camp stood up to be counted. Not enough people voted 'no', and in fact a lot of people didn't even vote! So we missed our chance to make a stand against this 'New Everton'. So I guess we should just live with the consequences...
Well actually no we shouldn't! This isn't the peoples choice, regardless of the ballot. Yet what are we actually doing about it?! Complaining about it on the internet (ok so I know thats what i'm doing now so I know i'm being hypocritical) which isn't going to change anything. I hate to bring up Man United as an example, but when the Glaziers were taking over the fans protested, set up their own football team, campaigned against it. We are not doing anything pro active against this.
Ok I know it didn't make any difference in the end, but at least the fans stood up against the regime. Where are our protests outside the ground? After matches? I don't propose anything before or during the game that would have a detrimental impact on the teams performance, but surely we need to be more vocal about this. Even if 20% of the fans stop behind at the end of every home match and chant 'keep everton in our city', or 'no to kirkby' then surely we would have more success?
Why are we not standing up and uniting for the good of our club? Yeah it probably wont make any difference but at least it would show the world that the people have not approved the move like the board have spun in the media! Stand up and be counted before its too late! VIVA LA RESISTANCE!
Andy Hudson, Posted 15/11/2007 at 11:05:35
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Tony Williams
2 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:09:23
2 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:09:23
God I hate International breaks, the same old topics just reappear like clockwork.
It has been done over and over again and no doubt will resurface when the next lull in matchs comes.
It has been done over and over again and no doubt will resurface when the next lull in matchs comes.
Andy Hudson
3 Posted 15/11/2007 at 13:45:33
3 Posted 15/11/2007 at 13:45:33
Do most of the people see it as the only realistic option though? There seems to be a large portion of fans who don’t agree with this, dont feel the club has seriously considered other options, feel that we should wait for a better option to arrive rather then jump on the 1st cheap option handed to us. What about the loop site? Its been proven by a highly reputable stadium construction company to be a viable alternative. This isn’t the people’s choice. Its some of the people’s choice to accept a poor option to be able to generate more income in order to challenge for honours. I can’t disagree with the fact we need to move, but like many many others I feel this option is the wrong option. Who really agrees that the club has explored all available options and chosen the best one? Yes we might be able to compete to a higher level in the short to mid term, but what about in 100 years time? Will we still have the fan base? Will a stadium in a supermarkets car park be able to generate a good atmopshere? I fear not. Even if the yes camp has won, why should that stop those of us in the no camp making our voices heard? If people are that storngly in favour the feel free to outsing those of use chanting to keep us in the city
Allan Hobbs
4 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:30:38
4 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:30:38
With respect Andy...
’I hate to bring up Man United as an example, but when the Glaziers were taking over the fans protested, set up their own football team, campaigned against it. We are not doing anything pro active against this’
This is true; Utd’s fans did make a stand and we haven’t but ultimately what did them making a stand actually achieve? Nada, zip, diddly, not a darn thing.
Its all very well ’sticking it to the man’ but at the end of the day, the little man (us) cannot beat the corporatocracy. its been tried in many places under many different guises over the years, and one thing always rings true - the big guys always beat the little guys.
Its a shame, but its a fact.
That said, I do love a good protest so go fer yer life!
’I hate to bring up Man United as an example, but when the Glaziers were taking over the fans protested, set up their own football team, campaigned against it. We are not doing anything pro active against this’
This is true; Utd’s fans did make a stand and we haven’t but ultimately what did them making a stand actually achieve? Nada, zip, diddly, not a darn thing.
Its all very well ’sticking it to the man’ but at the end of the day, the little man (us) cannot beat the corporatocracy. its been tried in many places under many different guises over the years, and one thing always rings true - the big guys always beat the little guys.
Its a shame, but its a fact.
That said, I do love a good protest so go fer yer life!
Alan Ryder
5 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:12:34
5 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:12:34
Most of theses type of graphic presentations don’t turn out to be replicated by the real thing. Remember the audience for this one is primarily the people of Kirkby. For them they will want some perspective to see how the shopping facilities, walkways look and you are able to get some impression of this from the pictures with the ground just as a backdrop. As a fan I am interested in the stature of the new ground, its facilities, the view of the pitch (which is crap at Goodison for a significant number of people, but not me ), the personality of the new place & the atmosphere it will allow us to create (which is why we all love the old place). Some of this you can’t pick up just by looking at pictures so I wouldn’t get too anti about the look of the place. If you just want to have your say about the move feel free, my guess is the No voters will agree with everything you say the yes voters will ignore the comments.
Marcus Dawson
6 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:26:01
6 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:26:01
I don?t understand why so many regard this as a non-topic (Tony Williams amongst others). If there is one single issue that overides every other it is the ground our team plays in and anyone who considers it a side issue to ?what happens on the park? is living for the moment and sticking two fingers up to the past and the future. The present owners are merely custodians and it?s their job to secure the future of the club and to maintain its? status, I fear that a move to Kirby will be the beginning of the end, a desperate act on behalf of a board who have ultimately failed in their duty.
John Lloyd
7 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:37:52
7 Posted 15/11/2007 at 14:37:52
the only reason is that we haven?t yet got a unified argument. The no camp is split amongst people who are saying no for different reasons:
a) no to kirkby
b) no move at all
c) stadium quality
d) KEIOC.
a) no to kirkby
b) no move at all
c) stadium quality
d) KEIOC.
There are probably more, if we had a unified no brigade I think it would be different.
Chris Jones
8 Posted 15/11/2007 at 13:36:26
8 Posted 15/11/2007 at 13:36:26
I voted yes, a decision which has become harder and harder to live with every passing day since I put my cross on the ballot paper. The latest images and promotional push from Tesco and Everton only serve to heighten my growing concerns over the project. I can’t help but feel hoodwinked to some degree by a catalogue of mis-information and deliberate half truths.
Having said all that, I have only myself to blame, for being so easily swayed by the scaremongering, for putting my faith in people who clearly don’t care as much about our great club as I do and for foolishly thinking that the future of Everton FC is inextricably linked to how many men in suits pay through the nose to watch 80 minutes of football through tinted windows.
The vote was a red herring, it was a non-vote, the wording of the ballot question and the lack of viable alternatives ensured this. Evertonian voices have so far not been heard on this issue, partly because we have not been given an opportunity but primarily because the majority of us are yet to decide what we want to say.
KEIOC completely miss the point of the argument and increasingly look like a self serving bunch of tub thumpers. They have thus far failed to attract any meaningful levels of support simply because their message is not one which connects with the majority of evertonians. The geographical aspect should be considered but certainly should not inform and colour the whole debate in the "no" corner. The latest wave of propaganda illustrates perfectly that as proud Evertonians with a long and rich heritage and history we stand to lose a lot more than just a city centre post code if the proposals in their current form are implemented.
There are those of you who will decry my right to a point of view as outlined above having already voted yes and I fully understand your position. However, I believe there will be many more twists and turns in the fate of the Kirkby project before the plans come to fruition. Now is the time for Evertonians to speak with one voice.
NO - Identikit souless stadium annexed to Tesco.
NO - Sugar-coated, emotional propaganda & mis-information.
YES - True fan consultation and open and honest planning and development.
Having said all that, I have only myself to blame, for being so easily swayed by the scaremongering, for putting my faith in people who clearly don’t care as much about our great club as I do and for foolishly thinking that the future of Everton FC is inextricably linked to how many men in suits pay through the nose to watch 80 minutes of football through tinted windows.
The vote was a red herring, it was a non-vote, the wording of the ballot question and the lack of viable alternatives ensured this. Evertonian voices have so far not been heard on this issue, partly because we have not been given an opportunity but primarily because the majority of us are yet to decide what we want to say.
KEIOC completely miss the point of the argument and increasingly look like a self serving bunch of tub thumpers. They have thus far failed to attract any meaningful levels of support simply because their message is not one which connects with the majority of evertonians. The geographical aspect should be considered but certainly should not inform and colour the whole debate in the "no" corner. The latest wave of propaganda illustrates perfectly that as proud Evertonians with a long and rich heritage and history we stand to lose a lot more than just a city centre post code if the proposals in their current form are implemented.
There are those of you who will decry my right to a point of view as outlined above having already voted yes and I fully understand your position. However, I believe there will be many more twists and turns in the fate of the Kirkby project before the plans come to fruition. Now is the time for Evertonians to speak with one voice.
NO - Identikit souless stadium annexed to Tesco.
NO - Sugar-coated, emotional propaganda & mis-information.
YES - True fan consultation and open and honest planning and development.
JL Slap
9 Posted 15/11/2007 at 15:16:11
9 Posted 15/11/2007 at 15:16:11
You have to appreciate the honesty on the last comment from Chris Jones, he wont be getting any of that I told you so nonsense from me.
I only wish we had the power to petition for a new vote, now we have seen what is ACTUALLY being proposed in kirkby, as the there seems to be an increasing number of yes voters coming on here & oter sites with a feeling of being hoodwinked and if they could would reverse thier vote to a no, a new vote could end this nonsense. As I have stated in other threads, I dont have an alternative.....yet, but that doesnt mean that this is the right option. Any idea’s, anyone, please..........
I only wish we had the power to petition for a new vote, now we have seen what is ACTUALLY being proposed in kirkby, as the there seems to be an increasing number of yes voters coming on here & oter sites with a feeling of being hoodwinked and if they could would reverse thier vote to a no, a new vote could end this nonsense. As I have stated in other threads, I dont have an alternative.....yet, but that doesnt mean that this is the right option. Any idea’s, anyone, please..........
Tony Williams
10 Posted 15/11/2007 at 15:22:11
10 Posted 15/11/2007 at 15:22:11
Marcus, I see this as a non topic, as it has been den=bated to death and lets be honest absolutely nothing posted on this theme will make a damn bit of differnece to the plans made by the board.
It is just a simple topic that will illicit so many varied and lets be honest "done to death" posts time after time.
There are no new arguments just rehashed old ones. I just feel sorry and maybe a little disappointed that some fans will stop going the match because they don’t like the look of the stadium.
I honestly cannot get my head around that.
It is just a simple topic that will illicit so many varied and lets be honest "done to death" posts time after time.
There are no new arguments just rehashed old ones. I just feel sorry and maybe a little disappointed that some fans will stop going the match because they don’t like the look of the stadium.
I honestly cannot get my head around that.
Chris Jones
11 Posted 15/11/2007 at 16:35:14
11 Posted 15/11/2007 at 16:35:14
Tony, the apathy in your post astounds me. I really hope it’s not indicative of the attitude of the majority of Evertonians. Although what I hear at the match and in the pubs makes me think it may be.
I think that it is a tiny minority of fans who so far have stated that they would stop going to the match as a result of the move. For what it’s worth I think it is probably a lot of hot air and bluster but still a decision they are entitled to make. We should focus less on worrying about the personal choices of individuals and more on the more wide ranging choices currently being made by the Everton board which ultimately will affect us all, not to mention our children and grandchildren.
I think that it is a tiny minority of fans who so far have stated that they would stop going to the match as a result of the move. For what it’s worth I think it is probably a lot of hot air and bluster but still a decision they are entitled to make. We should focus less on worrying about the personal choices of individuals and more on the more wide ranging choices currently being made by the Everton board which ultimately will affect us all, not to mention our children and grandchildren.
Tony Williams
12 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:02:39
12 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:02:39
Thanks Carl, it is not often I astound someone with my posts.
You may feel I sound apathetic in my post but it would be better if I came across as frustrated. Frustrated in that yet another thread is started on a subject that will cause heated debates over a long dead issue.
I don’t want to go to Kirkby but do you think that pissing and moaning on a website will stop the board going forward with it? It is getting boring reading through the same old dross again and again and again
The first couple of posts on this subject were passionate and I loved getting involved with them, now these new ones are just the same old faces spouting their moans or defences all over again because of the release of a dodgy video including a player who will never be there when/if it is built.
I know that anyone can post anything they want and do (within limits) but I just don’t see the need for several posts on the same subject and several fans articles on this aswell.
What is the point, the vote was YES for better or for worse we will be leaving the Old Lady and I am bored with the same rehashed arguments going on between the Yes and No voters.
Yes I could just not read them but unfortunately I do.
You may feel I sound apathetic in my post but it would be better if I came across as frustrated. Frustrated in that yet another thread is started on a subject that will cause heated debates over a long dead issue.
I don’t want to go to Kirkby but do you think that pissing and moaning on a website will stop the board going forward with it? It is getting boring reading through the same old dross again and again and again
The first couple of posts on this subject were passionate and I loved getting involved with them, now these new ones are just the same old faces spouting their moans or defences all over again because of the release of a dodgy video including a player who will never be there when/if it is built.
I know that anyone can post anything they want and do (within limits) but I just don’t see the need for several posts on the same subject and several fans articles on this aswell.
What is the point, the vote was YES for better or for worse we will be leaving the Old Lady and I am bored with the same rehashed arguments going on between the Yes and No voters.
Yes I could just not read them but unfortunately I do.
Marcus Dawson
13 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:28:09
13 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:28:09
Tony, I think you?re being a little disingenuous, far from being bored of this topic you continue to post not just here but in response to Tony Marsh?s comments on Kirby, hardly the actions of someone who is tired of the issue. I don?t understand your position, I?ve a feeling you?re slightly pro Kirby but don?t want to debate, if you can?t see the point of a debate then don?t come on a forum. The bottom line for most of us is that the new stadium is a major issue, KEIOC is too fragmented to offer any genuine opposition to EFC and the early proposals for Kirby are a genuine cause for concern, this forum is one place we can develop opinion, who knows, it might actually achieve something.
Chris Jones
14 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:28:09
14 Posted 15/11/2007 at 17:28:09
Tony, I share your pessimism over how much the board will listen to fan concerns, (on any matter) but who else will care about our club if not the fans? Kirkby residents are looking after their own interests, KEIOC will keep playing their broken record and LCC will try to cover their own backs.
Perhaps if there was an organised and concerted effort to guage the real concerns and wishes of the majority of Evertonians with respect to the ground move and it was presented in a sensible and professional manner then the board would take notice.
Maybe the editors of this site could run a poll to guage the appetite of Evertonians to form and subscribe to such a group. I for one would be happy to be involved.
Perhaps if there was an organised and concerted effort to guage the real concerns and wishes of the majority of Evertonians with respect to the ground move and it was presented in a sensible and professional manner then the board would take notice.
Maybe the editors of this site could run a poll to guage the appetite of Evertonians to form and subscribe to such a group. I for one would be happy to be involved.
Greg Murphy
15 Posted 15/11/2007 at 19:19:54
15 Posted 15/11/2007 at 19:19:54
Yeah, it’s a fine line between protesting at the match and it backfiring on us, or worse that it affects the team.
Fact remains, though, that the match is the only time we’re all together. It’s the perennial conundrum for the footy fan.
For my part, I’d be happy to take part in a more passive protest along the lines of maybe not buying a programme, or ale, pies, coffee etc at the Sunderland game. The board would notice that.
Yep, I immediately and totally concede that there’s a certain illogicality to that because we’re in this mess, essentially, because we’re skint (and as Michael and Lyndon, correctly, remind us, we should always do all we can to spend in the club shop etc rather than at other retail outlets).
But, as I say, we’re pretty limited as footy fans as to how far we can go with a protest. And it would only be one game, let’s face it. And I’m sure Bob earl can make up the shortfall (coz he stands to cream it in Kirkby - mark my words).
Moreover, I’d make sure that any surrounding businesses would get a bit of extra dosh - coz let’s face it, they’re gonna be stripped of it all come 2010.
Now, ok, maybe the idea of boycotting club goods for one day isn’t the brightest. But you catch my drift that any protest has gotta be that much cannier than the obvious ones.
Because standing outside the Winslow and shouting fat things up at Wyness makes no odds. Chanting inside the ground is equally counter-productive.
And flying planes around the ground never got the KEIOC boys anywhere.
Fact remains, though, that the match is the only time we’re all together. It’s the perennial conundrum for the footy fan.
For my part, I’d be happy to take part in a more passive protest along the lines of maybe not buying a programme, or ale, pies, coffee etc at the Sunderland game. The board would notice that.
Yep, I immediately and totally concede that there’s a certain illogicality to that because we’re in this mess, essentially, because we’re skint (and as Michael and Lyndon, correctly, remind us, we should always do all we can to spend in the club shop etc rather than at other retail outlets).
But, as I say, we’re pretty limited as footy fans as to how far we can go with a protest. And it would only be one game, let’s face it. And I’m sure Bob earl can make up the shortfall (coz he stands to cream it in Kirkby - mark my words).
Moreover, I’d make sure that any surrounding businesses would get a bit of extra dosh - coz let’s face it, they’re gonna be stripped of it all come 2010.
Now, ok, maybe the idea of boycotting club goods for one day isn’t the brightest. But you catch my drift that any protest has gotta be that much cannier than the obvious ones.
Because standing outside the Winslow and shouting fat things up at Wyness makes no odds. Chanting inside the ground is equally counter-productive.
And flying planes around the ground never got the KEIOC boys anywhere.
Tony Williams
16 Posted 15/11/2007 at 20:53:45
16 Posted 15/11/2007 at 20:53:45
Marcus, I may be bored with them but it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t say anything.
You have me possibly pegged as Pro-Kirkby but don’t want to debate......debate what?, the fact that some posters don’t like the look of the new artist’s impression?, the fact that we will be next to supermarket (Isn’t there a Kwiky or two on County Road?) and this fills some posters with dread?
What is there realistically to debate? We have our three types of posters, the No poster, the Yes poster and the undecided poster. What do you want to debate?
We can keep on going on about how this or that site is viable/shite and so on but yet again, what is the debate?
There is none, it is simply two sets of different minded fans starting on a thread which invariably breaks down into name calling and bad language.
I am actually against going to Kirkby but unless I see a viable, affordable "Plan B", I do not see what else I can do but keep on going the match and wait and see what comes into fruition.
I am not Pro-Kirkby but I am deffinitely Pro-Everton
You have me possibly pegged as Pro-Kirkby but don’t want to debate......debate what?, the fact that some posters don’t like the look of the new artist’s impression?, the fact that we will be next to supermarket (Isn’t there a Kwiky or two on County Road?) and this fills some posters with dread?
What is there realistically to debate? We have our three types of posters, the No poster, the Yes poster and the undecided poster. What do you want to debate?
We can keep on going on about how this or that site is viable/shite and so on but yet again, what is the debate?
There is none, it is simply two sets of different minded fans starting on a thread which invariably breaks down into name calling and bad language.
I am actually against going to Kirkby but unless I see a viable, affordable "Plan B", I do not see what else I can do but keep on going the match and wait and see what comes into fruition.
I am not Pro-Kirkby but I am deffinitely Pro-Everton
marcus dawson
17 Posted 16/11/2007 at 11:30:36
17 Posted 16/11/2007 at 11:30:36
Sorry Tony, I don’t think this needs to turn into a spat between you and I but I think you should examine your original post on this topic. My pont is that the stadium debate is (and should remain) very much alive, it doesn’t make me a better Evertonian, it simply reflects the fact that I see things in a different light to you. If I want to discuss the issue on an EFC forum I think I should be allowed to do so without fear of criticism that it’s an ’old topic that’s been done over.’ You sum up the feelings of a lot of Evertonians (sadly) when you say you’re not that keen on Kirby but there’s no plan B so what’s the point in continuing to talk or voice disapproval. I won’t settle for that, just as I won’t settle for people suggesting it’s a dead subject.
Steve Ryan
18 Posted 16/11/2007 at 12:20:33
18 Posted 16/11/2007 at 12:20:33
CHRIS JONES, did you not read the hundreds of emails on this site warning the prospective ’yes’ voters of the perils that would lie ahead based on Kenwrights track records of deceipt and lies? Now, you have he audacity to complain about the new stadium while putting the boot in on KEIOC who worked tirelessly to prevent this shambles from occuring in the first place. Your comments make me sick to the stomach and I hope that people like you will be able to live with yourselves when Everton FC finally loses its unique identity.
Andy Hudson
19 Posted 16/11/2007 at 13:15:52
19 Posted 16/11/2007 at 13:15:52
Tony did you even read the content of my peice, or just see that it was about the stadium and go straight to the "add your comments" field?!
I am not debating whether the stadium is right or wrong, or as you so eloquently put it "pissing and moaning on a website". If you’d bothered to read the article you would have seen that this is actually what I am wanting to stop people doing! I don’t want an endless debate about the pro’s and con’s as your either for or against the deal, and no matter how much someone puts accross their point its not going to change someone else’s mind. What I want is for those who attend matches to voice their disapproval. This post isn’t aimed at the people who think it’s a positive move for the club, its about those in the ’no’ camp making their voices heard!
Why don’t we all face the opposite way from the pitch and face the back of the stand during half time, in a silent protest at the next home match? MOTD and SKY would have a field day with this. 20,000 blues stood facing the wrong way would be picked up by the camera’s, and mentioned on their programs. This would highlight to the world that the decision isn’t what we all wanted. To the outside world the people (everton supporters) have said we want a stadium in Kirkby, but this isn’t true! My post was a call to all Evertonians in the No camp to do something pro-active. Either that or shut up and put up. And yeah we probably wont win the fight, but does that mean we shouldn’t fight still? If 5 big blokes jump me in the street and i’ve no chance of winning a fight with them, should I just let them kick my head in? Hell no! In future Tony do us a favour and read the post before commenting. For all those like me in the No camp, can we debate a way of making a stand, or just accept the inevitable and move on.
I am not debating whether the stadium is right or wrong, or as you so eloquently put it "pissing and moaning on a website". If you’d bothered to read the article you would have seen that this is actually what I am wanting to stop people doing! I don’t want an endless debate about the pro’s and con’s as your either for or against the deal, and no matter how much someone puts accross their point its not going to change someone else’s mind. What I want is for those who attend matches to voice their disapproval. This post isn’t aimed at the people who think it’s a positive move for the club, its about those in the ’no’ camp making their voices heard!
Why don’t we all face the opposite way from the pitch and face the back of the stand during half time, in a silent protest at the next home match? MOTD and SKY would have a field day with this. 20,000 blues stood facing the wrong way would be picked up by the camera’s, and mentioned on their programs. This would highlight to the world that the decision isn’t what we all wanted. To the outside world the people (everton supporters) have said we want a stadium in Kirkby, but this isn’t true! My post was a call to all Evertonians in the No camp to do something pro-active. Either that or shut up and put up. And yeah we probably wont win the fight, but does that mean we shouldn’t fight still? If 5 big blokes jump me in the street and i’ve no chance of winning a fight with them, should I just let them kick my head in? Hell no! In future Tony do us a favour and read the post before commenting. For all those like me in the No camp, can we debate a way of making a stand, or just accept the inevitable and move on.
Tony Williams
20 Posted 16/11/2007 at 13:39:06
20 Posted 16/11/2007 at 13:39:06
Of course I read the first post and the following ones but once again, if you want to admit or not, it is a topic about someone not wanting to go to Kirkby, nothing more nothing less.
You have simply added ideas about protests albeit passive ones.
Am I wrong?
You also state that this is not the peoples choice. Why is that? Are you saying that the ballot (Which I think was a disgusting publicity stunt by the board, by the way) was less than legitimate?
Just because the majority of posters on here feel the move to Kirkby is wrong, that is not the only "peoples opinion" that should dictate everyone’s views.
I suspect the "Yes" voters are not more vocal because they see no point in getting into slanging matches on a forum when the ballot that counts for the board of Everton FC, have already taken place and a result has been given.
You have simply added ideas about protests albeit passive ones.
Am I wrong?
You also state that this is not the peoples choice. Why is that? Are you saying that the ballot (Which I think was a disgusting publicity stunt by the board, by the way) was less than legitimate?
Just because the majority of posters on here feel the move to Kirkby is wrong, that is not the only "peoples opinion" that should dictate everyone’s views.
I suspect the "Yes" voters are not more vocal because they see no point in getting into slanging matches on a forum when the ballot that counts for the board of Everton FC, have already taken place and a result has been given.
Andy Hudson
21 Posted 16/11/2007 at 14:01:36
21 Posted 16/11/2007 at 14:01:36
It’s not the peoples choice, in the respect that not all the supporters want this. Yes some do, and some don’t, and unfortunatly the during the ballet more voted yes then no. I am not saying the ballet was in some way fixed or incorrect, but that the result has had a large amount of spin attached to it, in order to make it look like Evertonians as a whole are happy with moving to Kirkby, when in fact not all of us are, in fact a large portion of us aren’t. Even if the result had been 51% in favour to 49% against, it would have been portrayed in the media as "Evertonians have given their blessing to moving to Kirkby" which wouldn’t have been true, in the same way. Yes I am saying I dont want to move to Kirkby, but thats not really what this post is about. I want those of us who aren’t happy about the move to do something more constructive then complain about it on web forums. What happened to the good old days of people protesting against something they didn’t believe in? Why are those of us in the No camp prepared to just sit back and accept it, but still bitch about it on the web. I just want us to stand up for our beliefs. Either that or just accept it and move on. I guess were all sick of the debate about the stadium issue, and I really don’t want to debate the pro’s and con’s, I just want those of us in the no camp to form some sort of peaceful protest that will at least show the board/world that were not all happy about this.
Tony Williams
22 Posted 16/11/2007 at 15:36:14
22 Posted 16/11/2007 at 15:36:14
Andy, I do see your point and unless the board are blind and deaf, it is clear that should know that all the fans are not happy with this deal, in fact they would have to be dead not to notice it.
What I like about your protest ideas are that they do not financially affect our club. I don’t understand the "fans" who want to boycott matches and then hit the boards pockets.........what logical financial sense does that make......."We don’t want Kirkby, so we will not go the matches", which invariable means less money for Everton FC and therefore less money for other projects, which in itself kind of defeats the object of the protest. "We want a World Class Stadium, but we will not go the match and give you any money towards it"....It beggars belief.
Also the ones who won’t go to Kirkby (if it happens, who knows miracles sometimes occur) and won’t renew their season tickets, I honestly have no time for them. I don’t know if it is their on line bravado or truth but I cannot get my head around a supporter who stops going when the club moves a few miles down the road.
Sorry for rambling but as I said I can see your point and agree with your passive protesting but don’t agree with the boycotters
What I like about your protest ideas are that they do not financially affect our club. I don’t understand the "fans" who want to boycott matches and then hit the boards pockets.........what logical financial sense does that make......."We don’t want Kirkby, so we will not go the matches", which invariable means less money for Everton FC and therefore less money for other projects, which in itself kind of defeats the object of the protest. "We want a World Class Stadium, but we will not go the match and give you any money towards it"....It beggars belief.
Also the ones who won’t go to Kirkby (if it happens, who knows miracles sometimes occur) and won’t renew their season tickets, I honestly have no time for them. I don’t know if it is their on line bravado or truth but I cannot get my head around a supporter who stops going when the club moves a few miles down the road.
Sorry for rambling but as I said I can see your point and agree with your passive protesting but don’t agree with the boycotters
Andy Hudson
23 Posted 16/11/2007 at 17:29:02
23 Posted 16/11/2007 at 17:29:02
Yeah its a strange situation alright, i’ll support the team no matter where we play. I don’t see the point in hitting the club financially, especially when were not exactly well off to start with. Boycotting games is a stupid idea and I agree with your thoughts on this matter completely, they aren’t true supporters in my opinion.
Thanks for taking my points on board, I just need to convince some of the ’No’ camp to join me in my peaceful protest now... anyone interested?
Thanks for taking my points on board, I just need to convince some of the ’No’ camp to join me in my peaceful protest now... anyone interested?
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1 Posted 15/11/2007 at 13:36:03
Yes some people wont like it and never will and their entitled to their views, but the debate has been won, - move on and stop flogging a dead horse every couple of weeks.