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Sorry for another ground move post. front page of the Post todays sees Wyness coming out with the shout of us possibly making our ground capacity to 75,000 in the fututre. I would ask "Is he having a laugh?" but this is bullshit and the comment back from Bestway was that he is moving the goalposts. Quite clearly this bugger has no intentions of hearing anyone else's opinions, ideas or offers on this groundshare, it's full steam ahead for Kirkby.

We are all for ambition but get real, even in the 60s when we had a large Irish fanbase and were as big as anyone we actually averaged over 50,000 one season ? where is there a need for 75,000? Day after day this man proves to me that he does not give two figs about our history or the people of the so-called People's Club.

We average 34,000 with our limited corporate facilities empty for nearly every game so how can we even dream of finding another 40,000 when we leave the thriving city to the bordering farmland town? Be ambitous but be real and don't take us as blind gobshites you tit.
Paul  Gladwell, Wirral     Posted 22/11/2007 at 10:19:07

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Marcus Dawson
1   Posted 22/11/2007 at 10:17:43

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Personally I'm insulted and embarrassed on behalf of the club and supporters, if this is his best response then it's another example of football supporters being treated like idiots by those who control 'our' clubs. It's pretty clear that this is a propaganda war, but how and why it has degenerated into this should be a major concern to all of us.
Al Davies
2   Posted 22/11/2007 at 11:40:05

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....sorry all Yes advocates, I didn't realise the height of Wyness's ambition for our club.

75 thousand!!! Yes, gerrin. I'm so looking forward to our big Lancashire derby with Preston in 2014.... hope I can get a ticket. Ambition is one thing, desperation another. The man will, apparently, say anything now.

Greg Murphy
3   Posted 22/11/2007 at 14:46:46

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God, don’t apologise, Paul for debating the most important thing to affect the club for 115 years! You say what you want to say without fear of contravening some new style PC "can’t talk about Kirkby anymore" code. Keep on, Paul.
Michael Newton
4   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:01:36

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Farms in Kirkby? I dont think many kirkby residents grow sprouts and have seen a fucking cow
Dony Conners
5   Posted 22/11/2007 at 14:54:01

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The man is a liar and will say or do anything to get his flatpack in kirby. he must be stopped NOW.
John McCabe
6   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:01:38

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Wyness is a moron, but I think EFC fans should organise some sort of demonstration or the Glwadys Street should direct some less than favourable songs in his direction.

Also, KEIOC should be all over this situation like a rash; Leaflets relating to Bestway, Project Jennifer, LCC, and most of all a proper timeline diagram illustrating, with dates, each new thing Wyness has said and how he has moved the goalposts; show him up for who he is, we’ve been far too nice to him.

Knowsley Council have not even given indication that they will allow future expansion to 75,000 anyway. It’s dishonest, hollow, ridiculous, scandalous in so many ways it’s scary. We should be rioting on Goodison Road but let’s just see how apathetic we are if we bag another 3 points against Sunderland on Saturday.
Andy Mckenzie
7   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:05:13

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Its been used as the sole intention of dismissing the loop, why are the club so hell bent on kirkby, its f****n ridiculous, the loop/re-devolp goodison is whats needed not getting in severe debt for an atrocious stadium out in the sticks that will cause traffic chaos.

I think that statement is all the proof needed that our board are lining their own pockets.

I’ve just about had enough of wyness, a man that has no f****n idea what everton fans want or need, just get out wyness enough is enough.
Michael Hunt
8   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:20:44

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Wake up fellow blues! If the team continues to improve and we become SUCCESSFUL then our support will mushroom. Look at the redshite FFS, they were way smaller until they achieved SUCCESS. If Everton FC are to be successful again (and Moyes would surely not remain committed if he did not believe the club was headed that way) then we need a stadium that can grow to house the hordes of people that will follow the PEOPLES CHAMPIONS. Aim for the stars and you might just hit the moon!
Michael Newton
9   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:17:25

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The killer blow for the club will be the transport and parking problems Kirkby will cause. People will stop coming to the game because they are in a traffic jam for ages and have to park miles away. Older people wont want to walk 2 miles from a parking place to the ground. You will lose quite a few fans because of this because it will become such a big hassle and chore, do you want to spend 3 hours of your Saturday in a fucking traffic jam.
I can set out at 1:50 from South Liverpool and I can park and walk to be in my seat by 2:45, Kirkby would mean leaving an hour earlier, I can be home by 5:45, I cant see being home by 7 o clock.
Jay Campbell
10   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:28:16

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How the f*ck iz this idiot CEO of our football club???? "75000" iz the sort ov figure you’d expect to hear from a person who has seriously not been educated. I’m seriously struggling to come to grip’s with this situation and the f*ckin brain dead clowns that are running it!!! MICHAEL NEWTON you’ve hit the nail on the head there mate end ov.
Mark Stone
11   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:52:08

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Michael Newton - that’s quite a selfish reason for not wanting the club to move mate, although admittedly I’m in the same boat!
Adam Bennett
12   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:54:18

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Yes oh Yes 75000 brilliant lets keep up with the size of the top fours ground
Gerard Madden
13   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:55:20

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I like the fact the club are showing ambition, I for one am not in that small but increasing amount of blues who don’t see us as a big club.

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if we were regularly competing for the league and the CL every year we would fill a 60,000 stadium and then would need to talk about expansion to compete better with Utd/LFC/Arsenal.

It is up to others to see if they can find a site capable of holding a similar sized stadium that is as equally appealing to the club as Kirkby is, they’ll have to do it quick however as the Kirkby planning application is due before Chrimbo!
Tony Ateman
14   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:57:21

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One of the reasons I have seen against the Loop is the lack of a possibility of expansion if necessary. Whilst 75000 is not planned it is reasonable when lookng for another ground to try and think of all possibilities in the next 50 to 100 years. It would be imprudent to go from one locked in site (Goodison) to another (the Loop).
Michael Newton
15   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:01:49

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Mark I am not being selfish, the traffic jams and the parking is a problem for all of us not just me. Road Rage and Parking Rage will be the order of the day.
Its bad enough having traffic jams Monday to Friday but at least the traffic flows to Goodison at a pace that doesnt get you irate. I would be happy to move to anywhere as long as these importants problems are addressed.
Greg Murphy
16   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:42:11

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Michael Hunt - hate to do this to a fellow Blue (keep it in the family and all that - but I’ve seen too many Blues make idiots of themselves in the alehouse along the same lines that you’ve published here) but you did start your piece "Wake up fellow Blues".

You state that the RS were "way smaller" to us prior to them achieving success. Dunno what time frame you’re putting on that but they were actually 2.1 ahead of us in terms of titles won by 1906. Ouch. They were then 4.2 ahead by 1924. We managed to get 5.4 ahead by 1939, the last time we were ahead btw, but by the time Shankly arrived it was 5.5.

I presume you were talking about pre-Shankly?

Their all-time record average attendance is 48,000 something versus ours of just under 51,000.

Basically, by the time that Shankly Mourinho arrived all’s we had over them was two FA Cups (and way more class, obviously).

As I say, it’s uncomfortable writing this but it’s time to start dealing in facts and reality and not Wyness’ hyped-up fantasies.

And you did tell us to "wake up" and then proceeded to say that by moving to Kirkby and getting success our support will mushroom. It won’t.

Everton’s attendance figures down the years are one of the most stable and reliable sets of average figures in all sport. Figures we should be proud of.

Yeah, maybe we might see a novelty Kirkby balloon (ahem) effect in the immediate aftermath but it won’t mushroom to 75,000, success or no.

I’m wide awake.
Neil McKinney
17   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:51:04

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Another stupid ’foot in mouth’ statement from KW.

Pitty there are as many stupid responses.

Andy Mckenzie - "why are the club so hell bent on kirkby, its f****n ridiculous, the loop/re-devolp goodison is whats needed not getting in severe debt for an atrocious stadium out in the sticks that will cause traffic chaos." - Maybe you’re right about the traffic chaos and the shit stadium, but redeveloping GP isn’t fucking free and, like the loop (which would cost even more than Kirkby) we don’t even know if it’s feasible. Kirkby will put us in severe debt, but the loop won’t? Stop talking shit!

75,000 capacity? T’is pie in the sky
Patty Beesley
18   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:15:26

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Michael Newton... You?re worried?? Stuck in a parking jam for 3 hours if we move to Kirkby? It?s me that should be worried - it takes us 4 and a half hours now from Carmarthen to Goodison and another 3 hours on top of that !!! All right coming up to the Pool, and least you feel the excitement of match day ahead, . but we won?t get home until about 12.30 a.m. from full time whistle at 4.50 - can?t see me continuing to do that at my age [OAP] so there?s two less of Wyness? 75,000 crowd and not because I don?t want to attend.. its just such a daunting prospect!!
bobby wollow
19   Posted 22/11/2007 at 15:49:22

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kenwright who has gone very quite by the way letting nobhead do his dirty work. him and wyness are liars makeing everton fans look like f---king idots look we would noy stand for johnson look what happend with him yet we sit back and take the shite what them pair of conmen tell us what is wrong with todays fans havent they got the bottle to stand up for the club they love
James Elworthy
20   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:21:58

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I must admit any enthusiasm for the move to Kirkby was dampened yesterday when I read Tom Hughes report about the traffic jams and parking problems.
I for one don’t fancy an hour on the M57 before the match and an hour to get on it after, I will be looking at the public transport alternative.
Steve Lee
21   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:22:31

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Risible. Utterly risible.
Andy Mckenzie
22   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:18:22

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im not saying its free but neither will kirkby, if were getting into debt for a stadium then kirkby would be my third choice behind the two i’ve mentioned.

We don’t know the loop or re-development of goodison is feasible because OUR BOARD are blocking it, why?

Why are the board so reluctant not to discuss anything but kirkby?

in my opinion everton as a football club deserves to have all options explored and all the facts on table before a decision is made, why are so many details now becoming available and why where’nt they released before the vote?
Stefan Tosev
23   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:13:27

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Gerard Madden,

Dodd left but your only aim is to wind up people here, you want other sites capable of holding a similar sized stadium (75 000). Even today some Knowsley representive said that they never spoke with Everton about a possibble 75 000 stadium, the only option being discussed is 50 000 extending to 55 000 nothing more.

I respect all the yes voters and their opinion but you are constantly playing with numbers and facts and trying to annoy people here. KW is moving the posts with his very next word and closing all the doors except Kirkby
Seamus Murphy
24   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:51:15

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Andy McKensie hit the nail on the head - This has come out today for one reason and one reason only - TO DISMISS THE LOOP SITE. No other reason. It was never ever mentioned anywhere before in any context, even Knowsley council have said that 75000 stadium was never discussed.

However, this could now backfire on the club as i’m sure th elocal residents will have a thing or two to say about the sudden jump in the size of the stadium plans - not to mention the fact that there is now a much better regeneration proposal on offer for their town centre.

Kirkby will fall through, no doubt - just like Kings dock before it. I just hope that it happens sooner rather than later so that we can move on and look at other options and have SOME hope of getting a new stadium (within the next decade!).

P.S. can you believe the club STILL will not speak to anyone else or consider the Bestway proposal - Just when exactly does this ridiculous period of exclusivity end??
Steve Lyth
25   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:57:34

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Personal ambitions have no limit with this slimey CEO, resign now, you have no ethics and no interests in our club outsie of
making personal gain.
Brian Noble
26   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:58:33

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The twat will sink to any depths to get his beloved Tesco deal sealed because it rewards him with a MASSIVE bonus-fact! As he will lose his ’earner’ if we go anywher else,it’s as good as done deal!
Jay Harris
27   Posted 22/11/2007 at 16:55:53

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Deceitful bastards always get found out.
More and more of the Yes sheep are beginning to smell the coffee now and it tastes awful.
Wyness cant even set out his budget or costings accurately for Kirkby despite 18 months of exclusivety and yet he shouts down every arm that is held out to EFC.
The man is an arrogant, selfish, greedy son of a bitch who has done nothing to cure EFC?s ills (ticket fiasco,travel fiasco,Pr fiasco etc.)but has been seliing of all our assets and taking huge bonuses for doing it.
I believe Kenwright is scared of him.Did something get hidden in the accounts which would cause problems if became public knowledge.
I would still like to know where Kenwright got the 20mill to buy out Johnson as he officially only had 1 mill to his name and Greeg only put up 7mill.
I rest my case very uneasily.
Terry Smith
28   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:19:51

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Lets just face it Everton & the board have no intention of moving anywhere else.Those figures are full of shit unless they intend to do 2 for 1 which woul or should get a better turn out.If thats the case it will be called the Wacky Tesco Wharehouse.On the field we are moving forward full speed ahead.And of it we have a board who really think we are stupid trying to pull the wool over are eyes .
Simon Miller
29   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:11:56

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Am I missing somthing ? isn't the Kirkby site meant to be the best access site for a ground in the UK ? with plans for trams, nearby train station, access close to motorway plus buses also with onsite car park for 3.500. And we wouldnt be moving into a 75000 empty stadium - its gonna be 50.000 to start then when were challanging again it can be up to the 75.000 like the way man u have done so. So wake up to the change its better for us long term ? and stop moaning about these other sites, as we clearly dont have the money to build one there, and kirby is being paid for by other parties.
Jay Campbell
30   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:24:24

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Keith Wyness has been accused of moving the goalposts as the head of Bestway strives to come to terms with the fat controller?s annoucement that he feels "the loop" is too small to hold the "75,000 seater stadium" that Everton want.

No mention of this figure has ever been made by Wyness until he was shown that the loop site could accomodate a stadium holding up to 60,000 fans at a private meeting with City councillors.

Wyness then stated that the club needed a site capable of holding 75,000, a statement that will come as a shock to Kirkby residents, many of whom oppose even a 50,000 seater stadium in their town.

Malcolm Carter, Bestway chief, said, ?At no stage has 75,000 ever been mentioned publicly, why has he moved the goalposts? Our own work by specialists HoK shows our site could hold a 55,000-60,000 stadium which is what we were asked to work towards.

?I am frustrated and fed up. We?re passionate about the regeneration of the area around our site. We?re doing this for the right reasons but Everton have not returned my calls or agreed to meet me. By all means dismiss the site, but at least consider it.

?I have remained loyal to the project and we?re still putting money into it. The council are grateful we?re still there. But I?m reaching the point where we will look at other options for the site.?

Unsurprisingly, no-one from Everton was available for comment, although a memeber of Knowsley Borough Council is believed to be worried about the new figure mentioned.

[Editors Note: Offensive material removed.]

Colin Poval
31   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:28:43

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It breaks my heart to say it but old Wine-ass has made his mind up, and is going to justify it to himself in any way he can, and destroy our great club in the process!
Phil Bellis
32   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:26:39

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Mr Madden...I suspect you smell strongly of lanolin. If you would care to meet at the south end of County Rd on a match day I will drape 2 pieces of stringed cardboard writ large with ’I VOTED YES’, to display on your front and back, and take you into every pub aiming to end up in the Winslow. I think if you dare come face to face with what you lovingly term the ’minority’ NOs, we’ll find out if your arse is as big as your mouth. Talking of mouths, Wyness’s latest ’75000’ statement ranks with his infamous ’Goodison is so dilapidated we have to ensure Sky and BBC staff wear hard-hats and are accompanied at all times by a senior steward whilst inside the ground. Utter bollocks!
Ben Devlin
33   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:37:48

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I have no doubt that Wyness has a vested interest in the Kikby deal which goes way beyond any desire to see Everton re-housed.My fear is that all the shenanigans that he and Kenwright get up to will eventually cause a major scandel which will see Moyes moving on.
Sorry to be pessimistic but something ain’t quite right and Everton and its supporters will be the ones to pay the price.
Michael Newton
34   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:47:21

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I feel sorry for you Patty coming all that way to see the Blues and then to get stuck in the traffic at Kirkby and then dont forget how far away yoour parked.
The club must address this matter for the likes of yourself.
At Goodison you can approach North South East or West, but at Kirkby unless your familiar with country roads you cannot its the M57 or bust with 2 junctions, the East Lancs Road and the Fazakerley junction both roads jampacked with people from North and Central Liverpool.
Mick Gallagher
35   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:45:15

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What is this so called CEO upto,everytime something is said about anything other then Kirkby,he moves the goalposts.The way he’s going there’ll be in place both anything else.Were’s Kenwright and why so quiet?
Steve Williams
36   Posted 22/11/2007 at 17:49:40

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Simon Miller and the others who quote ’deal of the century’ - at NO point has the club said that others will pay for the stadium - even Terry Leahy said that TESCO won’t be paying for it. Sure they will put in a road for the Superstore that will provide some access, but that’s it.

So all of you who think it is Kirkby for free or somewhere else for big bucks are away with the fairies. Grow up and act like adults. Wherever we go will cost big money, so it might as well be somewhere suitable, like in Liverpool!!
Ed Fitzgerald
37   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:00:41

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All you no voters have no faith! dont you want a ground that holds 75000. When we move to Kirkby we will automatically become more successful because of the increased catchment area. Your negative attitude is the reason we have languished as a mediocre side, not Keith and Bills

We need to get behind Bill Kenwright (surely the best chairman we have ever had) and his ambitious plans to join forces with TESCO (a world company with global ambitions and ethics to match) and KBC a council with a reputation for engaging its employers (just ask its teachers).

You moaners just sicken me. You just want to stay in the City where you have existed for 129 years. We need to esacpe from Liverpool supporters and their horrible new ground, why do we want to be near them.?

Dont you realise that change happens in all walks of life, we have to embrace this and not complain and bitch about things. The images of the stadium and retail area look wonderful. Have faith in this management team I am sure they will deliver as they already have done in the past. After all they did give us a fair and democratic vote that canvassed the views of all evertonians they considered eligible.

Oops sorry I have just woken from a nightmare that I was Gerard Madden, what a fucking mad loon he is. Wyness is out of his tree if he thinks we will ever attract 75000 and Kenwright is a shithouse of the highest order, missing as usual deflecting the blame on to others.

Lets keep the pressure up
David Conners
38   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:09:53

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It's so fuckin obvious what wyness is up to. He will continue to make it up as he goes along until he has got his Kirkby bonus payment. He's been gettin away with it for that long now you cant blame him. Time the fans stopped talking and took some action.
Ken Barker
39   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:41:43

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Brian Noble underestimates Keith Wyness when he refers to him as a ’twat. ’This is a very clever man who has been able to negotiate for his private company a ’success fee’ for the Kirkby stadium. Whilst this will eventually show up in the Everton accounts under unnamed ’consultancy fees’,it hardly makes him a neutral observar on ’rival bids’.
I know that Knowsley Council officers have been amazed at how keen he has been to aquiesce at some of their most outrageous demands for the scheme but wouldn’t you if it meant security for life?
Karl Masters
40   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:48:10

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Oh Keith! You’re being found out now!

If HOK said the Loop could hold 90,000 he’d tell us we needed space for a 110,000 stadium. We don’t need any more than 60,000 really do we? Either he’s completely out of touch with reality or he’s fibbing. Maybe both!

Remember: Wyness is not an Evertonian, he’s from Aberdeen and has hopped from job to job all over the world leaving his employers to deal with the consequences.

It’s becoming very obvious to me that he has much to gain from us going to Kirkby. Whether we have is quite another matter, but somehow I don’t expect Keith to be around for too long after the move ( if it happens ) to face the music.
Dave Wilson
41   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:55:02

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How the fuck did 15000 people ever let themselves be Kidded by this bufoon ?
Doug Eaton
42   Posted 22/11/2007 at 18:38:00

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It maybe worthwhile reflecting on some of the comments in "The Future for Everton" document distributed to season ticket holders et al.* "Invite you to actively play a role in the debate...." NO - SIMPLY A VOTE FOR OR AGAINST KIRKBY *"Just two posible alternatives" - WHAT ABOUT BESTWAY? *"....Goodison....prohibitively large sum of money reconstruct" - ER? HOW MUCH COMPARED WITH KIRKBY? WHY NOT GIVE US THE FIGURES?

*"50,000 seat capacity....." -WHY HAS THIS NOW BECOME 75,000? TO BLOW SOMEBODY ELSE OUT OF THE FRAME?

*" Everton will have a very small debt..." - HOW MUCH? WHY NOT SHARE THIS INFORMATION?

There are so many ’emotive’ comments in the document, aimed at tugging at the supporters’ heartstrings - e.g "The new stadium could produce a signifcant amount of NEW profit that can go towards squad building". Amazing how well Arsenal did then with a stadium smaller than Everton’s - and what have Bolton achieved with their small ground and (very) limited support?
Brian Noble
43   Posted 22/11/2007 at 19:26:47

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I stand by my remark that Wyness is a twat. His ill-judged ’75,000 capacity’remark has highlighted his avarice and exposed his (or his private company’s) vested interest in seeing this Kirkby project through. Nothing must stand in its way and no exageration or lie will be too much to deliver the Gold Reward!
I am not a shareholder but I do so hope that those amongst us who are will ask the right questions on this issue at the forthcoming AGM-and make sure they are answered!
Chris Briddon
44   Posted 22/11/2007 at 19:36:38

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Some of you lot amaze me you know.

You are desperate to stay in Liverpool so as to not give the city to the reds, spend all your time going on about how much you would have the mikey taken out of you by reds fro moving to Kirkby.

Well imagine moving to the loop site, as site that Liverpool turned down because it wasn’t big enough for them.

If yo uwant to give them more opportunity for the ’small club’ jibes then go ahead.

Whats wrong with being ambitious and planning for the future. We may never need a 75,000 capacvity stadium, but I bet if you asked Man Utd in the 70s they wouldn’t have said they could fill one either but look at them now!

What is the point in having a site that will only hold 50,000 at the most. If you then need a bigger stadium you have to move and go through all this again!
Andy Mckenzie
45   Posted 22/11/2007 at 19:54:37

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so what was the point of the vote and the stadium we were shown if its now not deemed big enough, does that mean the vote is now void, because the vote was in favour of a stadium we are now not getting, i can pretty much assume that the kirkby stadium, if we move, will never get upto 75000 and its a bullshit figure to stop any other plan.
Paul Gladwell
46   Posted 22/11/2007 at 19:48:55

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Even in the second division utd got gates of 50,000 they have always had this support since the 50s end of.
As I said earlier there was a time when we where massive , infact up untill recently only us and utd had ever had a seasons average above 50,000 but never in a million years would we be able to gather a fanbase to fill such a ground especially given that we wont be in a major city and no matter what people may think we will eventually lose alot more young growing fans in the city to the shite
over a number of years (it is already happening), but the arguement is not about ambition or ground size it is about the fact that this is the most blatant lie yet to scare other interested parties off by this compulsive bullshitter wyness and how this man can be trusted to run the biggest decision in our history is beyond me, if we have to move lets do it right and honest,everyday I pick up the Daily Post this fucker has contradicted himself or changed the direction.
It wont have a museum- oh sorry it will.
our cost will be buttons-Oh sorry £80 mill and rising.
capacity 50,000 to rise to 55,000
oh sorry 75,000!!!!
There is nothing wrong with people voting yes they are desperate for progress like us all but what I cannot fathom is how you can trust such a shady liar with a history of lying to us with such a decision.
Paul Gladwell
47   Posted 22/11/2007 at 20:22:06

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I know a good fella who drinks with hamperman and he argues with me blue in the face thet Pj was gutted about what happened with us and actually meant well , this fucker we have now is actually making me believe him .
Garry Martin
48   Posted 22/11/2007 at 21:23:13

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The bestway site may hold a new ground for everton but, in case anyone has forgotten, just down the road from the bestway site is great homer street saturday market. It is not the easiest place to find parking so where are they proposing to put facilties for cars that want to park for the match. Sounds to me like some redshite supporter working for bestway is trying to push a no hoper of a site onto us - in this case fuck off.
Rob Hollis
49   Posted 22/11/2007 at 23:06:38

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I think we are getting a new stadium very cheaply and there has been a bad cyclone in Bangladesh, America is thinking of bombing more innocent people in a far off land, another nutter has been jailed for stabbing somebody to death and the country is facing a severe energy crisis in a few years.

Bored with the bleating now. Please get some perspective.
Tony Doran
50   Posted 22/11/2007 at 22:57:28

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It’s so see through it’s unbelievable. Why 75,000, i’ll tell you because that’s the fashionable number. Why not 80,000 or 120,000 that sounds better and all the sheep will follow. It’s worse than playground talk. This must not be allowed to continue. This prick wyness should now be forced to show some kind of plan as to what circumstances will trigger this 75,000 seater talk. Maybe when we win the prem 6 times and champions league 4 and stop wearing condoms so we all have 10 children each to take to games on a weekend , providing we all win the lotto.
Phil Bossian
51   Posted 22/11/2007 at 23:05:49

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As I have said time and again. The only way to make greedy turds like KW understand is to hit their ?money button?. That is, stop going to games & e-mail the club to remind them on each occassion. I promise you 2 or 3 games with 20,000 or less support will have their alarm bells ringing.

Secondly, I (and all other Blues) should demand more detail on this KW Kirkby success fee...immediately; otherwise, no attendance to games...end of.
Michael Williams
52   Posted 22/11/2007 at 23:41:30

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Some’ll say yes, some’ll say no. All I’ll say is if you think we can’t fill 75,000 in some unforseen future that’s your problem. The men in charge have got a vision whether we buy into it or not is our own indvidual choice. It dosen’t form a legitimate criticism just saying the man is a liar he has a job to do anjd that’s to sell the future that he and his employers envisage. In the end, the question is "Which is best"?
Chris Jones
53   Posted 22/11/2007 at 23:43:46

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I make no comment on the reliability of what KW says, or his motivest. However, ...

We Evertonians like to think of ourselves as a great, big club. The undisputed big clubs at this present time (in terms of money and success) are thinking ever-bigger. It?s like the early 20th century Dreadnought race allover again!

The Arse, MUFC and LFC (once their new ground is built) are all going to have enormous attendances by everyone else?s standards and this will keep them in the G14(18). And it is this group, like as not, that are going to be running club football in the future - over the heads of UEFA and the like - and of course for the benefit of the G14(18) clubs!.

If we don?t want forever to be left behind, to play with the likes of Man City, W Ham and Villa in some ?minor domestic league?, then we have to think big NOW and plan to try and keep pace with the greedy bastards in G14(18).

So, right or wrong, sincere or disingenuous, what KW says about 75k is actually the stark ?truth?, whether he truly believes it or not. Many a true word spoken in jest, and perhaps many a true word spoken in deceit also!

Obviously Kirkby residents will be surprised by talk of 75k, and Bestway understandably hacked-off by the goalposts being moved. But with MUFC and LFC talking about ever bigger capcitities, perhaps the Loop is, in the longterm, just too small? As footprints go it resembles an old Chinese lady?s bound extremities.
Michael Tracey
54   Posted 22/11/2007 at 23:12:25

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This is a Everton related website if I remember correctly if you want world news go to the BBC site Rob. At the next AGM people should be calling for Wyness head. Watch out for Gerry at the front handing out Kirkby for Everton Fc brochures.
George Stuart
55   Posted 23/11/2007 at 00:52:24

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Here is how it is. Sport is about money. The football authorities are about bolstering their own positions (and making money a a consequence).

The money is in the big European games. Group of 14 anyone. Platini is trying to reduce the English participation in the Champions league(well he’s a Frog so he would wouldn’t he?).

England already has its big four. The only one’s in remote danger are Chelsea if money-bags gets bored and the RS because they are a shambles in comparison to the other three.

That leaves Spurs, us, Newcastle and maybe Villa to compete for that fourth spot with teh RS. Football will become more and more elitist, that means more and more the wealth gap will be important AND insurmountable.

If you ae not in that top group, you are nowhere and with no way of going anywhere. If we don’t get into an elite group of 18 then we will be forever Preston North End.

If we get there, 50K seats won’t be enough.

Of course the public might just give up and go away. I can’t watch athletics anymore and swimming has just about gone the same way though as an Aussie it still defines one aspect of Australianness. But does anyone really trust sport anymore ?
Simon Miller
56   Posted 23/11/2007 at 02:23:13

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Steve Williams ? "Tesco would pay £50million for the site and bear the cost of building a £75million stadium.Everton would pay for fitting-out costs of around £10million"- so in affect it will cost us around 10m- other sites we will have to pay full price
Derek Thomas
57   Posted 23/11/2007 at 04:19:14

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1st the goal posts were planted, It will in real terms cost us next to nothing (or some such sounding bollocks). Then, I think it was 15mill, then 50mill, now it’s 80mill, now it’s the 75K.

I think I will be on the phone to the Inland Rev. as the C.E.O. moonlighting as a gaolpost mover.

Bestway Bestway, where for art thou Bestway.

There is, we are told plenty of space in Kirkby, not sure about carparking tho’....but remember ’ In space no one can hear you scream! ’
Michael Brien
58   Posted 23/11/2007 at 07:22:18

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I agree it’s highly unlikely that we would fill a 75,000 stadium every match.But back in 1964 when I went to my first game at Goodison, the capacity was approx 65,000 - and for only 3 or 4 games was there an attendance of 60,000+.
I’ve always believed that we should be looking at a minimum capacity of 50,000 given our history.I am sure that there are a lot of people who, because Goodison’s capacity has been reduced over the last 15-20 years , have been put off trying to apply for tickets for certain games as they know tickets will be at a premium.
I was 8 back in 1966 when the World Cup was held in this country.It was I am sure a great source of pride to Evertonians that Goodison staged more World matches than any other stadium other than Wembley.Yes more games than Old Trafford and Villa Park and we had a semi final : U.S.S.R. vs West Germany.
I was equally saddened that in Euro ’96 we didn’t get a single game.That shows just how much our management had neglected Goodison’s development - but that’s another issue.
Whether we redevelop Goodison/move to Kirkby or relocate at another site in Liverpool I think that we should be looking for a capacity that could be increased in the future if not to 75,000 then at least 60,000.
Tom Morris
59   Posted 23/11/2007 at 09:09:40

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Still harping on about the ?loop? ?

The same loop that Liverpool looked into as a potential site for their new ground and dismissed because it was too small ? Why do people not understand this ?

We?re told that a new ground at the loop site would involve the stadium being with a stand straddling the existing road. This is an absolutely ludicrous suggestion and anyone that thinks a modern football ground should be built in this way needs their head testing. Please don?t let your apparent hatred of Kirkby, Wyness (or basically anything to do with the EFC Board) blind you on this one.

And Mr Bestway ? He?s only interested in what?s best for Everton FC is he ? Not in the least bit interested in making a few bob for himself?

Come on lads. Get real.
Brian Waring
60   Posted 23/11/2007 at 09:53:54

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I think some of you are missing the point here.You can’t argue with the vision the club has for the future.The point is,why has Wyness just decided now to make this statement?Why wasn’t this mentioned in the brochure sent out before the vote?Surely mentioning this in the brochure would have been a plus point for the club?As someone has already said,this is the first Knowsley council have heard of this 75,000 stadium plan.Surely you would have to be naive not to believe this wasn’t put out because it looks like the loop could be viable for a 50-60,000 saeter stadium.This whole stadium issue has been a farce from day 1 with Wyness at the helm.It has gone from costing us £10m,to the point where it could end up costing us £80m.I have total respect for people who defend KW and BK,thats their choice,but surely you can see this statement for what it is,another obstacle put in place against the loop site?The more I read about this move to Kirkby,the more suspicious I get of Wyness.
Steve Williams
61   Posted 23/11/2007 at 12:55:48

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Simon Miller - please quote the source of your quotation.

It sure isn’t TESCO, because in their shareholder pack there is no mention of any costs associated with this deal that they are bearing on behalf of EFC or anyone else for that matter. Remember they are answerable to their shareholders, not EFC!

Put up or shut up, please.
Chris Leyland
62   Posted 23/11/2007 at 13:33:21

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That?s right lads - just give the redshite more ammunition. Let?s keep talking down the size of a stadium we could fill. That way we might get the dream scenario of staying in the city - the only problem is, the ground will be 32,000 becuase when we won the league in the 80?s that was our average!

I?m not big fan of Kirkby but then again Bestway is just pie in the sky and Warren Bradley and the shower of sharks at the Council have come to the table too late in the day after sitting on their hands for years. Their strategy seems to be " Let?s get all the sites that the LFC have turned down over the years and offerthem to Everton" - So Bradley -put up or shut up.
Stephen Davies
63   Posted 23/11/2007 at 10:33:44

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I don't make to many post on here, i usually just read the fan articles there usually more interesting the official stories and give you a clearer perspective of what's going on not only with the club but with the fans. I just find it strange how whenever someone mention's the ground move everyone pounces on them, it's one of the biggest things to happen in our history why isn't anyone allowed to talk about without being critisced?
David Campbell
64   Posted 23/11/2007 at 15:51:27

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Eh, Keithy La, why stop there? Lets have capacity for 100,000. Fuck it, when we?re in the Champions League every year, we?ll be so boss we?ll able to fill the joint twice over. Lets have capacity for a Kirkby Maracana.

It is not unknown for there to be various financial irregularities in a development of this size and nature. Whilst there is no evidence of this whatsoever, more than a few people have noted that there is a certain smell about the deal. Something about it feels off and the clubs motivation is starting to be questioned. Wyness strange haste in giving his strange statement just throws more fuel on a still low burning fire. Although there is little chance of it being soon, I will be happy when Wyness leaves his post. He?s a shifty sort, thats for sure.
Mike Homfray
65   Posted 25/11/2007 at 01:18:56

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Look, Kirkby is what is going to happen - I wish you would all get real, accept you lost the vote and move forward not backwards.

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