With all the sqabbling with Waldorf and Statler and Benitez, the cost of the Liverpool stadium going up daily, and with us moving out of the city, which most Evertonians don't want... Could a shared stadium be back on the agenda?
Call me paranoid but i think their has been a hidden agenda from day one. If someone asked me twelve months ago, would I go for a shared stadium, it would have been a no no. If asked now, it would be a case of staying in the city or go to Kirkby, I would stay in the city. We know that there would be a massive grant from the council or Europe if the shared stadium was to go ahead.
So if it did go ahead, we'd be staying in the city and the Spanish waiter would get the money he is asking for for players.
Just thinking out loud...
Colin Malone, Posted 25/11/2007 at 09:46:44
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1 Posted 25/11/2007 at 15:17:38
2 Posted 25/11/2007 at 15:33:03
3 Posted 25/11/2007 at 15:52:55
SHARED STADIUM IS NOT JUST AN OPTION......IT IS THE ONLY OPTION.....without a trace of plan B.
Even if Tesco can get its permissions for the proposed site...........Everton will never play there.
The whole idea was always little more than stupid , stupid , stupid.
I live on the other side of the world and frankly all of Everton?s games ....for me , anyway ...... are played on a big box in my living room in Mexico.
That being the case , I have no claim to any say in the ?stadium debate? but it has been remarkable to read so many postings from people who clearly know nothing about the mechanics of a new stadium build but seem to quote figures out of nowhere !
It is a very safe bet that BK and his staff have absolutely no idea how much a newbuild would cost even with their access to ?expert information? but to read the words of the ?so called experts? who pretend to ?know all about it? often beggars description.
The cornflake kids across the way have been involved in stadium building for years and even they had no idea what the ?frolic in the Park? would cost for the Reds.
How the hell do so many of our posters get these detailed figures that they present ?
I have been watching the Blues now for over 50 years and I never believed that we would leave Goodison but there again I never believed that so many Evertonians would refer to this season as a good one , simply because (in 9th place) we would be obviously far away from relegation.
Damn it all.........WE USED TO WIN THINGS AT THIS CLUB !
Now we are passing the ball rather than smashing it 60 yards downfield , great show yesterday !
Much more of the same please , Mr Moyes.
A very good day spoiled by concern over the great Dave Hickson.............lovely bloke , great Evertonian !
All the very Best , Davie !
4 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:09:29
5 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:13:37
6 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:15:45
7 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:39:15
When my late dad (Blue through and through) was a lad his pop, a Red, would take him to games. LFC one week, EFC t’other. When LFC won their first European Championship my dad put us all in the car and we drove over (from Manchester) to his native Liverpool to stand on Queen’s Drive and applaud their homecoming - as did thousands and thousands of other Blues.
If a shared ground will benefit both clubs, and make them better able to compete with the likes of Manyoo, Chelski and the Arse, then why doesn’t it happen?
(Er, that’s a rhetorical question btw, no need to bombard me with replies!)
8 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:36:09
Yes I hate the plastic hangers on that follow them (as they do) and I love seeing them get beat. But people who just direct venom towards their fans miss a key point most of us are from the same city, live in mixed communities and can show a decent degree of respect for each other in appropriate circumstances (e.g. Rhys Jones and Hillsborough) and in fact most of the time (Derby days are the exception)
It would be a logical move and good for the City, it therefore has no chance of happening! sadly
9 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:41:32
10 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:55:05
11 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:55:40
12 Posted 25/11/2007 at 16:50:39
13 Posted 25/11/2007 at 17:03:04
Emotionally, of course it’s a different matter. Share with the Reds? Oh my God!
However, as some have said, it could be done. And there is the example of Milan (fierce rivals, same stadium).
David makes a good point on the rent issue. But here’s a possibility. On our current ownership, we cannot possibly afford to go half whack. Indeed, for all those who are not still in deep denial, we cannot afford to do anything much except share with Tescos in Kirkby.
But this might just be the enticement to get the rich new owner that we need. Sharing half of the risks and the rewards of a highly prestigious major new stadium in the North West. Sure beats the current alternatives.
14 Posted 25/11/2007 at 17:13:41
15 Posted 25/11/2007 at 18:15:24
GET A GRIP PEOPLE - WE ARE EVERTON!
We should not share anything with those bastards. Lets keep our identity seperate from them.
16 Posted 25/11/2007 at 18:46:40
17 Posted 25/11/2007 at 19:57:26
18 Posted 25/11/2007 at 20:23:31
19 Posted 25/11/2007 at 20:03:30
20 Posted 25/11/2007 at 21:44:22
21 Posted 25/11/2007 at 21:44:35
Anyway, here are some pictures of Allianz for those that do not know the stadium:
22 Posted 25/11/2007 at 21:47:49
23 Posted 25/11/2007 at 23:55:50
While I agree that a shared stadium is an option ... please forget the sentimental rubbish about Everton and Liverpool getting together to face the challenges of Man U, Arsenal, etc..
The fact is that Liverpool are Everton’s biggest rivals OFF THE FIELD as well as on. Think about it. It’s a multi-million dollar business these days and we compete for exactly the same market and with essentially the same differentiators. Say what you will about the RS, but it’s been a well run club; I think they figured out a long time ago that the best result for them would be if EFC became a 2nd division club. If we work on a shared stadium we should be extremely cautious in dealing with RS ... even more so than if we dealt with ManU or Arse in my opinion.
BTW, the one good thing about Ceetah getting (dubious) cash is that it presents a door-step challenge to ManU, which can only weaken ManU.
And final point in this rant ... I"m not critical of Bill K for not seling out to the LBO merchants that have taken over the RS, ManU and Villa. Those clubs will be run for owner profits, pure and simple, and have been leveraged to do so ... there is trouble ahead for all those clubs unless they are continuously succesful. If they are not, expect their Yank owners to lobby for changes to the structure of the Prem ... but that’s another story.
24 Posted 26/11/2007 at 00:39:28
Last season, watching the Blues on a small corner TV in the pub, Liverpool were on the big screen behind and had the sound and commentry on their game. I excepted this and quietly got on with it and just watched Everton. Then unbelievably two grown men beside me watching the blues leapt into the air to celebrate Everton conceding, i thought that was the ultimate. Reds would rather watch Everton lose than watch their own team win on the big screen behind them.
But I'm sad to see how bitter some of the fans on this site are. Fans that are so bitter, they?d rather Everton lose or they would rather ?die? than share a stadium with them, Perhaps that is precisely the reason you don't want to share with them, but as said ?We are Everton? so lets be grown up about this and not get held back by your hatred ? to me, it's more of a red trait.
25 Posted 26/11/2007 at 01:25:10
Perhaps we should knock an extra tier on the Park End and wait for Liverpool to go bust, then buy their stadium for buttons - after all, we would be the only buyer who would have a use for it.
26 Posted 26/11/2007 at 04:26:55
I wonder how many of the above are Yeses (actual voters or not ) that have had 2nd thoughts.
I didn’t have a vote but am a NO and remember the plans in the 60’s to jointly redevelop Aintree when Mrs Topham was a bit skint. We had both recently played Inter and were well up with the shared stadium concept.
Even with the firey passions of youth the prospect seemed quite sensible. My mind has been concentrated and the shared stadium is the lesser of two evils.
It would be a marriage of convenience and it is manners in these things to wait to be asked. If as is suggested that the Redshite are struggling for cash (shame) then the longer it takes them to ask then the better deal we will be able to broker.
27 Posted 26/11/2007 at 09:33:33
28 Posted 26/11/2007 at 09:44:54
So its not Kirby vs shared stadium (which if it was REALLY shared would be a good option). its Kirby (with our own stadium) or paying rent to the RS to stay in Liverpool. Thats not anything we should ever consider, surely? Its admitting defeat, helping them get richer, just to stay in the city?
Off, nose, cutting, spite, to, face.
29 Posted 26/11/2007 at 10:52:19
30 Posted 26/11/2007 at 11:50:36
It would be at least £150m. . .
And who would fancy sitting in the ’New Kop’?
31 Posted 26/11/2007 at 12:23:44
32 Posted 26/11/2007 at 12:32:04
33 Posted 26/11/2007 at 12:59:51
People keep harping on about Inter and AC, but the San Siro or Stadio Giuseppe Meazza was built in 1925. AC were only formed in 1899 and Inter not until 1908, so the rivalvry (whilst still there) had not even had that long to develop. Inter were originally tenants in AC’s stadium but as far as I know it now belongs to the city. These two teams have shared a stadium for almost there entire history, so of course it works! It’s hardly a solid comparison.
I don’t know if a shared stadium would work, maybe it would. However, it proves one thing, a lot of Evertonians must really dispise the thought of Kirkby if they’re considering the ground share again.
34 Posted 26/11/2007 at 13:51:02
1. I believe that, financially, it is a no-brainer.
2. To make it concentrate minds as Derek Thomas suggests.
If that puts a ground share back on the agenda I welcome it.
However, I’d prefer Kirkby to being tenants and I doubt we could afford to do anything else, given the projected costs.
Still, we could be about to witness some big changes, given the apparent chaos over the park. Would be nice to see it all tumbling down as the Yanks bicker and Beneathus departs wouldn’t it!
35 Posted 26/11/2007 at 18:59:37
Bloody hell, sharing with them because they are struggling for cash would therefore save them cash and strengthen their position. They’d then have more money for players and staff. In an industry dominated by money, their stock would grow, our position would only be weakened. Think about it properly. We don’t have the money to go halves with them and if we did it would drain every last penny from us leaving no money for anything else. We would be so much worse off and have to bring domestos to every game to wash their stench from the seats.