For those of you who haven't checked the official website, there is a an interview with Moyes about Steven Pienaar. He claims that he is delighted with his form over the past six weeks, however, he will look at his future at the end of the season and there will be no permanant signing in January. What an idiot! Has he not learnt his lesson from the Manuel Fernandes saga. Pienaar has been turining great performances week in week out in the Premier League and he will now be being watched by several other clubs. I think that Moyes may be making a huge mistake.
John Murphy, Posted 30/11/2007 at 18:57:15
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Tsk tsk... write out fifty times "I must not call our beloved manager an idiot."
Other than that, I agree fully with the sentiment and am equally puzzled as to why a talent of his magnitude would not be snapped up at the earliest opportunity as a top priority. There is always the spectre of behind-the-scenes factors that mitigate such decisions and about which we mere mortals know nothing (the small issue of money might be one...) but let's hope we do not let this marvelous talent slip from our grasp.
As far as I was aware we have first option to buy for 2.5 million if the loan deal works out. Why not wait to see if he can produce consistently over the season (I hope he will).
In addition keep the money in our account gaining interest this apears to make financial sense.
It just apears to easy to find fault with the club on all matters why not give them a bit of credit for a change.
It is obvious that this fella is a very talented operator with a great engine. His vision is way above most within the team as well as showing great awareness and having the special ability of being able tofind space. Good first touch and assured on either flank with two good feet. I hope we do not let this one get away and should nail him down in January. Two and a half million quid is peanuts at today?s prices for an artistic and excellent all round player.Bully ! get you fat ass of the chair and do something worthwhile for once and get him signed up for at least the next four years. Are we so skint that we need to gain the interest on the money in the bank as indicated by Tony Miller ?Everyone to their own opinion but the interest on that amount of money will not buy us a player fit to lace this guy?s boots.
When you think that the manager was prepared to blow £700,000 on da Silva who he doesn?t seem to rate,£2.5M is buttons for a player of the class of Pienaar.But as Michael Kenrick says, there are no doubt all kind of financial machinations that have to be taken into account.
You?re right, John. Moyes is an idiot.
He clearly needs someone like you to tell him how to do his job by the likes of you and the thought of missing out on Pienaar (a player he obviously rates highly enough to bring into the club in the first place!) won?t have crossed his mind.
Do you honestly think he?s just going to wait until the end of the season before deciding whether to buy Pienaar ?
"Do you honestly think he?s just going to wait until the end of the season before deciding whether to buy Pienaar?"
To be fair Tom, that is what Moyes is hinting at with his latest comments, so don’t be surprised if there is no permanent signing of Pienaar in January.
The player looks a talent and I would be keen to nail him down in January. At 2.5m he’s almost a disposable player, so if his form does fall away it wouldn’t be too big a hit. However, I trust Moyes as he has all the background that we don’t.
Maybe, just maybe, the first option (which I?m pretty sure is fact) only allows us take up the option at the end of the season. Maybe, then Moyes couldn?t buy him now even if he wanted to. Plus why buy him now, if we can buy him at the end of the season for the same price? He?s only on loan at the moment and wihout being too pessimistic, but there?s a long way to go in this season and what?s stopping Stevie from breaking his leg, tweaking a cruciate etc etc which would basically render him useless for a couple of seasons. Just be a little more patient... or at least try.
I never understand all this "we have first option to buy him at the end of the season". So, does that we mean we have a contract with his club that states if we want him at the end of the season, they are obligated to sell him to us for £2.5M? To me that would be bad business on their behalf. If he continues playing well till the end of the season, I can imagine there will be plenty of clubs interested in him, including some Prem teams. That value of £2.5M could soon double or even treble, and at the end of the day he will be sold to the highest bidder. I say if possible, snap him up in January.
Moyes has done this with great effect on many an occasion with players who are out of contract at the end of a season. He waits till the bitter end to offer them a new deal as it keeps them motivated to try their hardest all through the season. Peanuts is playing for his future at Everton, sign him up now and some of his motivation is lost. Moyes certainly isn’t an idiot, he knows what he’s doing and it makes perfect sense! Players playing for their future always give that little bit extra.
So what happens Andy if he is excellent for the rest of the season,and then there is a number of clubs who are after him? As I mention in my above post, the £2.5M could double or even treble, and then he will be sold to the highest bidder. If it is possible,why not sign him up in Jan and take the gamble? Surely paying £2.5M now is a better option, than the thought of being involved in a bidding war at the end of the season. I know there may not be any other takers for him, but if he keeps turning in good performances like he has been, I would be suprised if there wasn?t any other clubs sniffing round him. At the end of the day, £2.5M isn?t that big a gamble, is it?
Ok, i havent read most of the posts so sorry if this has been mentioned but dortmund cannot decide in Feburary or march that they want to double the £2.5M. It is always going to be £2.5M until the loan contract runs out. all moyes will do is save the £2.5M for January and then in feb or march he will buy him like he did with Howard but also wat you have to remember is that Pienaar is jst like Ferguson in that he is always injured. He has to prove his fitness and that he will be fit most of the time. its not bad business for dortmund coz he was injured all the time ther and never produced the form they thought he would and it also gets him off their salary to go and buy more players. Plus if you have seen Dortmund this season, they are meant to be awful.
Yes, many times it is written into the loan contract that at the conclusion of the deal the team will have the option of buying the player for an agreed amount. These loan deals are different from others where a team loans a player out for experience and no fee has been agreed in advance, since there is not expected to be a sale at the end. It makes complete sense to wait a bit longer knowing that he is going nowhere for the rest of the season. Why not see how he does over a whole season and make sure he does not get injured. Chances are that Moyes thinks he will need that money for other players in January to add to the squad, instead of spending it on a player who is already here for the rest of the season.
Cheers David,if that’s the case,it makes sense to wait till the end of the season.
Pienaar is having a nightmare first half v Portsmouth, bit disappointed in the bench today no Gravesen or McFadden to replace him if he is taken off, we will have to revert to 4-4-2.
Why do people keep calling for Gravesen when it?s so well chronicled he?s finished? Strachan obviously knew what he was doing ? Moyes didn?t!