You would think that on the back of a good run the team would now be playing good crisp football against average teams, especially when they are down to 10 men. But it doesn't happen (one really good performance in our run of 9 unbeaten games and that was against a very poor Sunderland side) because Moyes doesn't seem to know how to use his players. And the team still looks too disjointed.
Last night changes had to be made to the defence because of injuries so to avoid too much disruption and loss of team understanding etc. it would have been best not to make any more changes. But Moyes doesn't seem to realise this. If we had been beaten last night (and we could have been) we would have been in a bit of trouble qualifying now.
Partnering Johnson with McFadden was probably the last thing I would have done last night.
They are too light weight to play together. But having decided to play them it was a must that Arteta, Graveson or at the very least Osman was played in the centre of midfield to provide those defence splitting passes for McFadden and especially Johnson to run on to. But Moyes doesn't seem to realise this.
The goal scoring Cahill may provide energy and bite to the midfield but he hardly controls a game with his passing. Arteta provides a touch of class when playing wide but he really is wasted there. And if Gravesen is unfit he shouldn't be on the bench. If he is fit he should be getting games.
We really need the manager to push the team on now by doing the right things but I have no confidence in him doing that and I won't be surprised if the wheels start to fall off ? again. The results say I'm wrong but the performances don't.
Ged Dwyer, Posted 06/12/2007 at 19:15:11
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Granted, not everything they tried came off, they weren't consistent in their level of passing, and, yes, we still need that top-class central midfielder (it's not Cahill's role to control a game with passing even though hewas no slouch with the ball last night), but having been almost convinced that Moyes had take us as far as he could after the Tottenham debacle earlier this year I'm now pretty happy with the way things are progressing on the pitch ? while still being mindful that we've been through awful spells under the current manager and could yet again.
1 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:02:19
2 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:14:15
3 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:27:57
McFadden and Johnson just did not work but it is interesting that you could sense that the Manager was fairly cool about when he would make he changes to win the game. We go about things like we expect to win at the moment. It does not mean we always will but it is great to see.
4 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:22:17
People were actually getting frustrated when we tried to pass the ball around, flank to flank, in an attempt to break down what was a very organised defence.
5 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:24:04
6 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:24:38
Any journalist who wants to put us down will reach for the phrase "against ten men", but it is meaningless. There is no evidence to show that this is a real disadvatage because the penalised team adjusts - like Zenit did - and can still defend and, importantly, attack. They made their best chances with ten men, because they were good enough, not because we were no good.
I think Moyes deserves the credit . When you think about it, Advocaat did Davey (and us) the honour of trying his mind games. And he lost.
7 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:57:44
While I didnt get to see the game, I undertand we had an average game. Shit happens over a long season and with European matches thrown in, its bound to happen. At least we are competing in Europe. and the manager is trying different things with the squad he?s got: Mcfadden and Johnson didnt work; well good on him for changing it. I remember Chelsea a couple of years ago werent pretty but they were winning games.. and that what makes a good team.
So, let?s get behind the team, change the attitude and look for the positives in the way things are. Is the glass half empty or half full right now??
8 Posted 07/12/2007 at 00:55:17
I dont know based on what is this perception, maybe England qualified for EURO 2008 instead of Russia, maybe Everton is every season in Europe, playing CL football, or maybe its just the need to moan about something.
I know for some people its hard to swallow that Everton are doing good in Europe and that Moyes is proving his critics wrong but this is ridiculous. We are on good run currently,playing some decent stuff and yet I have the feeling that there are people just waiting for the next loss or draw to start calling for Moyes head.
Chill out people be realistic,we are the second best scoring team in PL, doing fine in Europe, in the quarter-finals of Carling Cup even T. Marsh is quiet for now and with reason, I just can imagine what will happen next time when we draw never mind lose,"he has taken us as far as he can", "he found his level"(B.Noble)etc
Last night was a decent performance, we created a some good chances,put them under pressure and eventually it paid off.
I am all for a good critic if Moyes messes things up but when he is doing something good lets give him credit for once
9 Posted 07/12/2007 at 01:43:30
First of all we won and we will definitely finish 1st thereby (hopefully) making the draw for the next round a little bit easier (no harm in that).
Second, Moyes himself (and a host of others...including the Russian poster from a few weeks back....gone quiet has he now?) all said Zenit would be the toughest...they indeed were and were extremely unlucky to lose the player to the red card (crap ref!)....I almost think Arteta missed deliberately out of sympathy!
McFadden and Johnson did not look a good partnership and we created chances without putting them away BUT Moyes made changes, we kept up the pressure, we kept creating chances right to the end, defensively we were pretty solid.........everything is an improvement, everything (on the field!) is getting better.
I also like the fact that Moyes comes across so much better to the public/media.......none of this crap that the other coach (aptly named!) came out with!
Overall, given they had ten men it was a fair result........we deserved it for sure.
Can’t wait for the draw for the next round (when is it??)
10 Posted 07/12/2007 at 03:42:49
This is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard. Even before the match was played, when we were playing Portsmouth last weekend, I was guessing Moyes would field McFadden and Johnson and rest Yakubu.
We have everybody back. We have so many matches. We have so many options. We are spoilt for choice at the moment and everybody that we have are "equal" in my books.
Anyway... why dont we just enjoy the team that we have at the moment and enjoy the results we are achieving. For goodness sake - it?s so hard to please SOME people.
11 Posted 07/12/2007 at 04:38:22
12 Posted 07/12/2007 at 08:39:03
13 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:15:39
14 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:32:41
Secondly you can?t play the same 11 all the time. Being just as point away from qualification Moyes was right to make changes. We have a huge number of games coming up and it is not only important to rest players but its also important to give fringe players games so when they are called upon they are properly conditioned and ready.
Finally I thought we played some decent stuff on wednesday and am optimistic about the coming games.
15 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:33:46
Bill Kenwright, your mission is to rebuild Goodison Park to a 90 000 capacity stadium with gold plated seats over the course of one summer. The money for this needs to come from an ’investor’ (come on Bill there’s fuckin’ loads of them out there) and should be ringfenced from the fourpence ha’penny Moyes needs for players.
Don’t you people know what Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means??
16 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:32:01
Only one good performance in 9 unbeaten games, Zenit (champions of Russia) are an average team, Cahill should be a play making midfielder, Arteta should also be playing in the middle of the park and Moyes is obviously out of his depth as a manager.
Either you’re a football-tactics genius who can see a lot of things most of us can’t - or you clearly don’t know your arse from your elbow.
Think that it might be the latter.
17 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:42:45
I wonder what it will take to stop some fans from whingeing about Moyes.
He is clearly the architect of this carefully built side that has reinstated my enjoyment of supporting this fine club. It has also reinstated my faith that football doesn’t have to be the domain of ’most money wins’.
I thought the team played a good passing game on Wednesday and we set about a decent Zenit with passion and determination.
I agree that McFadden squanders the ball despite his ability and Johnson is low on confidence, so I was hollering for Anichebe to come on. But Moyes played it right in the end I think.
Are we finally going to get behind our manager ????
18 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:45:07
19 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:52:15
20 Posted 07/12/2007 at 09:58:08
21 Posted 07/12/2007 at 11:05:09
I?m not having a go I?m genuinly interested. I myself thought Tommy would of been good to get on the other night, think it was made for him in the 2nd half!! I also know DM is not one for bluffing so dont understand why he would have him on bench if he was crocked. What do you know lad?
22 Posted 07/12/2007 at 11:14:56
Heard it from Martin Waldron, 75% of Evertonians won?t know who he is but he works with the scouting and academy at the club so sees Grav train daily. According to him he?s not running properly and is tiring quick. Be suprised if he completes a full 90 now. Anyway we will see what condition he?s in against AZ as Moyes would, I presume want to see how he holds up in a competitive fixture.
23 Posted 07/12/2007 at 11:55:02
24 Posted 07/12/2007 at 11:56:40
I?ve read a lot of good stuff on this site, but there are some occasional clunkers too, such as "I didn?t like the way Moyes celebrated a goal" to name a personal favourite. This has to go in that category.
25 Posted 07/12/2007 at 10:53:53
26 Posted 07/12/2007 at 12:06:05
27 Posted 07/12/2007 at 12:04:25
28 Posted 07/12/2007 at 13:18:05
29 Posted 07/12/2007 at 13:28:36
30 Posted 07/12/2007 at 13:27:12
On yer own... On yer own... On yer own, on yer own, nah nah!
31 Posted 07/12/2007 at 13:44:01
32 Posted 07/12/2007 at 14:31:54
I’m sure your opinion is expert and your source is sound, I wasn’t calling your integrity into question and neither was I calling you a liar but what I am now saying is that you need to lighten up. To return to the original point is it not reasonable to suggest that if Gravesen’s ’legs have gone’ (whatever that means) then that would mean that he is not up to a standard that would make David Moyes consider putting him on the pitch in a competitive game of football? I apologise for ther flippancy of my comment and the anguish that it has caused you but stand by my original comment - Gravesen is not getting a game because at present he is not good enough!
33 Posted 07/12/2007 at 17:14:14
James - I never criticised the players. In fact the players deserve a lot of credit this season but if Moyes showed more nouse we could push on even more.
Rob - You said it. McFadden and Johnson together didn’t work.
Mark - If you’re a passing team playing ten men doesn’t hinder you it helps.
Scott - Where the hell did I say Cahill shouldn’t play. Calling him ’The goal scoring Cahill’ with energy and bite made it clear how I value him. If you can’t understand what I’m saying no wonder you disagree. And the fact that you didn’t see the game. I went the game and got behind the team. You didn’t.
Stefan - I’m certainly not ignorant. I’ve seen what Zenit did with the other average teams in the UEFA cup.
Kevin - I think it’s you who wants to be the ’smart ass’. Don’t get personal mate it lets you down. Pity Moyes didn’t try Johnson with Vaughan or Johnson with Anichebe at the start with someone in centre mid who could lay on a few neat through balls. It might have done Johnsons confidence the world of good to get a chance and score.
David - I didn’t say Cahill needs to be a playmaker but he needs someone like that playing with him. It’s all about balance. That’s my point.
Neil McKinney - It goes with the territory. When we are winning everyone who writes in is for Moyes. When we’re losing it’s the opposite. But you really need to grow up lad.
Please take on the points made and don’t miss the point. If Moyes showed more nouse we could push on even more.
34 Posted 07/12/2007 at 19:26:53
Not for posting your view up there at the start. It stimulated a lot of thought - a good thing. None of us can be right or wrong, and in constructive argument we respect what we hear, even change our minds.
You are outvoted mate. Never whinge.
35 Posted 07/12/2007 at 21:43:46
The fact that the team has gone on a run of 9 unbeaten games, home and away, playing twice a week across three competitions, thus progressing to the quarter finals of the league cup and the last 32 of the UEFA cup whilst maintaining a healthy league position rather belies your observation that ?Moyes doesn’t seem to know how to use his players. And the team still looks too disjointed?. I have been mightily impressed how Moyes, now he has genuine selection choices to make, is picking and mixing his sides and sending his team out with a different game plan depending on the opposition.
The changes you criticise for the Zenit game were perfectly justified, the team did not experience a collective amnesia on how to play together as you imply and at no stage did we look like getting beaten as you again imply. And rather than be in a ?bit of trouble qualifying?, we HAVE qualified, top of the group, with a game to play.
As for your opinions on individual players and how they work as a collective, that?s all it is Ged ? an opinion, but not a very insightful one in my eyes. A MUST to have Arteta, Graveson or Osman playing in the centre of midfield?? Why? Graveson hasn?t clocked up a full 90 minutes since his return? Pienaar does as good a job as Osman in there and Mikel has hardly been wasted (as you state) playing wide in the last two seasons, during which time he has walked away with the Player of the Season trophy each year.
No confidence in Moyes pushing the team on?? Then I and tens of thousands of Blues must be living in a parallel universe to you own, because you seemingly fail to notice that we are still involved in all competitions and have the opportunity to go even further.
No Ged? not only the results say you?re wrong. The performances do as well.
36 Posted 08/12/2007 at 00:18:30
37 Posted 08/12/2007 at 14:39:33
On to Fulham today - if teams suffer ’European hangovers’ we’re in danger of one today with this stage of the mission accomplished. But I can’t see Moyes allowing it.
38 Posted 08/12/2007 at 21:16:10