Did you see the stewards pushing Johnson away from the fans and then the ref booking him. Sad.
All the ref has to do is stop the clock. We play football to score a goal, simple as that. So why when you score should you be booked for celebrating after completing the task you have been trying to do for 90 minutes? The clock should stop when the ball enters the net and then started again when the opposition kick off.
I just don't get it. How anyone can waste time apart from the ref is beyond me coz THE REF HAS THE FECKIN' WATCH. It makes me laugh it is that stupid. Booking players for 'time-wasting' is simply ridiculous. All the ref has to do is add 30 seconds on to the end of the game; easy you would think. No ? it never is. This game has been made over-complicated and petty by people who don?t, nor ever have, played the game.
Goal-line technology should be used and football should have been the first to utilise it. It just beggars belief that a ball can pass over the goal-line and a goal not be given. This is because they don?t use video to review the decision. It would take 10 seconds for the video ref to say yes or no.
Yet the FA will use video to ban someone for 3 games if for example they have stamped on someone, but the ref ?didn?t see it?. Nonsense. In this respect why doesn?t the FA use video after the game to ban someone that dives to cheat the ref, all the players and everyone that has paid to get in the ground?
The off-side rule is the same; overly complicated. No one in the world knows what the fuck is going on in this department anymore. In my opinion you are either off-side or your not. Again, easy.
The issue surrounding the steward is a safety issue I?m sure, but there was no need for him be so aggressive. I personally would have poked him in the eye for his trouble? But that is another story. Up the blues!
Andy Callan, Posted 17/12/2007 at 13:28:17
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1 Posted 17/12/2007 at 14:35:59
Barwick, Crozier before him, blatter, johansson, dein, right down to poll, winter, clattenburg, riley etc etc all fall under that comment & then to make matters worse an ex player who HAS played the game at the very highest level Platini turns out to be an absolute twat with no common sense whatsoever.
Its amazing how often people who are seemingly without common sense arrive at the top jobs & positions within important organisations.
Memo to self - act like a lying ignorant prick, make daft promises & you could probably end up running a major organisation or worse be prime minister.
2 Posted 17/12/2007 at 14:59:04
For example, consider a sat nav system. Your unit triangulates it’s position from three or more ’static’ (relative to Earth) satellites in space.
We could have have a much more localised version with the ’satellites’ positioned around the goalposts along with one behind the line by a couple of feet.
An RFID tag (a few may be required to be more accurate) could be implanted into the match balls. This would activate when it was near the goal line, triangulating with the satellites and giving an immediate, unequivocal ’Yes’ (the whole of the ball has crossed the whole of the goal line) or ’No’ decision to the referee.
Personally, I don’t like this retrospective almost microscopic examination of every refereeing decision (but then, I might have had a different answer after the Liverpool game!!).
3 Posted 17/12/2007 at 15:40:44
Referee’s should be free to actually referee the game without over zealous rules. Its sad where you can get the same punishment for celebrating a goal (AJ) and a possible career ending injury (kuyt)?? Where is the parity in that & until the FA realise this & give more fredm/discrecion to the referees then the game will suffer. Nobody respects football referees & to be honest a lot of the time they dont deserve it. The way they speak to grown men like they were schoolchildren is awful!! If they treated people like adults then players would start to respect them & you wouldnt see people like Rooney, gallas, most chelsea players shouting & screaming all sorts right in thier face without punishment.
4 Posted 17/12/2007 at 15:56:13
Header at Bolton over the line
We would of been relegated
Pro’s and cons to the argument but I’m personally against it, crucial decisions are part and parcel of the game and add to the excitement etc
5 Posted 17/12/2007 at 16:17:54
6 Posted 17/12/2007 at 17:04:18
7 Posted 17/12/2007 at 17:00:57
I saw no disrespectful gesture towards the WHU bench or supporters, I did not see any over-exuberance even on AJ’s part - he just ran towards his own supporters (NOT at top speed!), arms aloft, he did not get particularly close to the perimeter of the stands. I have never seen the like of the immediate man-handling that the stewards applied. And again, I don’t know if it was edited out, but... just what was AJ booked for??? I just did not see anything out of the ordinary that merited either the stewards reaction or his subsequent booking...
8 Posted 17/12/2007 at 17:12:48
9 Posted 17/12/2007 at 17:17:22
10 Posted 17/12/2007 at 18:16:27
Can’t argue with the yellow card really. Players know that if they take off their shirt, or run into the crowd (that is amongst the fans not just over to them) then they will receive a yellow card. However, the treatment he got from the stewards was nothing short of abuse. I might be wrong, but these guys are just average blokes with little or no training and they were acting like fucking riot police! Short of batons and tear gas. I have never seen it before at any other ground.
As you say, more sour grapes from the Hammers, who for me have been less than gracious in defeat on both occasions. I would have made a formal complaint if I were AJ, but then he probably would have got a ban for bringing the game into disrepute knowing our luck!
Stewards? Power hungry, jobsworth thugs in this instance.
11 Posted 17/12/2007 at 18:23:59
But when I watched it a couple of times over I started to think it was a little bit OTT for AJ to attempt to get into our fans to celebrate; the stewards where gobshites, don’t get me wrong but imagine being at home to Manure or the shite and the samer thing happened, I would be annoyed if one of our stewards didn’t do the same thing and flatten the twat.
Was a great goal and we had just made a complete mockery of West Ham in the space of three days, so let’s wash it under the table hey?
12 Posted 17/12/2007 at 19:39:14
13 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:36:42
Point of order, Joe. If,as you suggest, technology had been used in season 1997-98 it would be clear that Southall was fouled as he went to clear the ball, which was then put over the line. You can?t have it both ways; if you can call it a "goal" because the ball crossed the line you can call it a foul 2 seconds before.
14 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:05:35
15 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:37:20
16 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:37:55
17 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:39:12
Players get booked for running into are towards the crowd at close quaters for safety reasons. It creates a crowd surge towards the front rows. I think two seasons ago at Chelsea a kid in the fonrt row had his arm broken when Drobga jumped in and people around and behind him tried to pat/touch/congratulate Drobga.
shame but actually it makes sense...although i thought the WHU stewards were out of order, Aj was running towards not into our crowd.. they got hold of him and this gave the ref the wrong impression - stewards shouldnt touch players, they are there to police fans not players - everton should appeal.
18 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:54:14
That would have given good old Curbs something to whinge about.
19 Posted 18/12/2007 at 08:35:14
20 Posted 18/12/2007 at 13:50:35
remember tevez’s first goal for the hammers against spurs last season
shirt off and flying, (arguably nearly as dangerous as a certain mr. cantona, without the intent) into the crowd - and the west ham stewards...?
oh only too happy to join in the celebrations!!!
AJ WALKS to the crowd as all of his teammates are 70 yards behind him - as has been said just a load of hypocritical sore losers
21 Posted 18/12/2007 at 12:08:07
22 Posted 19/12/2007 at 13:56:45