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Who do you think David Moyes' five best signings are since he has been at the club and who do you think are the 5 worst. Mine are as follows...
Best:
- 1. Tim Cahill
- 2. Mikel Arteta
- 3. Nigel Martyn
- 4. Joleon Lescott
- 5. Joeseph Yobo
- 1. Per Krøldrup
- 2. Francis Jeffers (loan)
- 3. Richard Wright
- 4. James Beattie
- 5. Simon Davies
John Murphy, Posted 17/12/2007 at 18:09:40
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What are we now... WSAG?!?!?
Mick Mac
1 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:42:49
1 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:42:49
Cant say I disagree a lot with your findings. May change a few of the best buys and wqhere would you put Marcus Bent Kevin Kilbane But what I would lik,e to look at is what do we think they are worth now
Cahill 2.5 million now 12 million +
Arteta 2.5 Million now 12 million +
Lescot 4 million now 10 million +
Yobo 4 million now 14 million+
What do you think
Cahill 2.5 million now 12 million +
Arteta 2.5 Million now 12 million +
Lescot 4 million now 10 million +
Yobo 4 million now 14 million+
What do you think
Alex Baker
2 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:49:10
2 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:49:10
The best I would agree with, but what about Van der Meyde?
Chris Lee
3 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:57:28
3 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:57:28
Best -
Joleon Lescott
Tim Cahill
Nigel Martyn
Mikel Arteta
Marcus Bent
Joleon Lescott
Tim Cahill
Nigel Martyn
Mikel Arteta
Marcus Bent
Dave Reiner
4 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:47:45
4 Posted 17/12/2007 at 21:47:45
Lescott will go down as the best when all is said & done. Absolute class.
Mick Simo
5 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:06:21
5 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:06:21
Lescott for me next Everton captain the lad is top draw. Kouldrup was a joke, but Richard Wright was a bad let down when you consider he was playing for England or was in the squad, and I for one was made up when Moyes signed him he turned out shite. when you look though some great signings for the price
Jack Calvert
6 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:13:54
6 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:13:54
Worst - are you having a laugh?!?!
Wright had a blinder of a 1st year for us breaking the Premier League consecutive clean sheet record!!! BT scored some big goals for us!!
Where are the likes of Li Wei Feng, Baardsen, Eddy Bosnar, Plessis, Anderson de Silva, Rodrigo, Ibrahim Said, Andy van der Meyde, Pistone the second time around? In fact there are probably 1 or 2 more he signed who were a totl waste of fees and wages. Krøldrup aside at least the others actually did something for us!
Wright had a blinder of a 1st year for us breaking the Premier League consecutive clean sheet record!!! BT scored some big goals for us!!
Where are the likes of Li Wei Feng, Baardsen, Eddy Bosnar, Plessis, Anderson de Silva, Rodrigo, Ibrahim Said, Andy van der Meyde, Pistone the second time around? In fact there are probably 1 or 2 more he signed who were a totl waste of fees and wages. Krøldrup aside at least the others actually did something for us!
joe mcparland
7 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:25:09
7 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:25:09
Wat about Tim Howard?
Stig Meacham
8 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:18:50
8 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:18:50
Dave R and mick, Too right on Lescott. I love all of our great successes mentioned above, of course, but Joleon’s different class, even from them. He’s already immense and will only grow in stature and reputation. He’ll ultimately finish a brilliant career as an England legend. A little bit more time under his belt and he’s flawless.
Arthur Jones
9 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:44:49
9 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:44:49
the best .. Joleon , mikel , Tiny Tim , Nigel martin , and I think in time Peanut will be up there as well .
worst .. Bardsen , per koldrup , pistone (2nd time ) jug ears (loan) , of the rest even simon davies and beatts had some good input and at least tried . i also think Tim Howard is a great signing
worst .. Bardsen , per koldrup , pistone (2nd time ) jug ears (loan) , of the rest even simon davies and beatts had some good input and at least tried . i also think Tim Howard is a great signing
Steve Carter
10 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:46:46
10 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:46:46
Agree with your best, John. As Jack says, there are a number of contenders for worst. Cahill is a head in front of the other four best for mine, though. With Tim in the side - his enthusiasm and popping up in the box to score or set someone else up etc. - we always look like winning. Lescott is class I accept, but he does have the odd fatal lapse of concentration - e.g. v Skunks.
Stig Meachams
11 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:58:10
11 Posted 17/12/2007 at 22:58:10
Hey steve -- true dat about Joleon. Those rushes of blood at the beginning of the season were/are a worry. He seems to be calming down though? pretty much why I wrote he’ll need a little bit more time. He was pretty damn flawless this past week, though.
My favourite moment from sat. goes like this (if I can remember it straight!) from the Sky commentators: "...and Parker tries to get it past Lescott....good luck" as Joleon tears the ball off and sends it back upstream yet again.
He’s not the finished product, but he’s damn close. Love that lad. Love em all, actually!
My favourite moment from sat. goes like this (if I can remember it straight!) from the Sky commentators: "...and Parker tries to get it past Lescott....good luck" as Joleon tears the ball off and sends it back upstream yet again.
He’s not the finished product, but he’s damn close. Love that lad. Love em all, actually!
Mark Pendleton
12 Posted 17/12/2007 at 23:07:25
12 Posted 17/12/2007 at 23:07:25
Jack, let’s be fair - many of the players you mentioned were on loan or extended loan so Moyes did indeed look but didn’t purchase them so they weren’t signings as such.
As for the original list it’s perhaps fair to say that aside from Kroldrup, who not many have heard of, most of the fans were delighted with players such as Beatts, Davies and Wright who all turned out to be not so good. And as for the best we’re saying what about Howard, what about Bent, what about Kilbane etc I think this says a lot about Moyes’ overall success in the market.
As for the original list it’s perhaps fair to say that aside from Kroldrup, who not many have heard of, most of the fans were delighted with players such as Beatts, Davies and Wright who all turned out to be not so good. And as for the best we’re saying what about Howard, what about Bent, what about Kilbane etc I think this says a lot about Moyes’ overall success in the market.
Matt Kassell
13 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:04:57
13 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:04:57
No-one’s mentioned the Yak! Or does he not count as a Moyes signing?
Stig Meacham
14 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:16:15
14 Posted 18/12/2007 at 00:16:15
Time, Matt, time!
I saw that jury heading out the door, but to be fair they were wearing #22 kits ;)
I saw that jury heading out the door, but to be fair they were wearing #22 kits ;)
Alexander Marsh
15 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:18:38
15 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:18:38
Hopefully Pienaar will join the best signings list soon enough...
Jinder Babagavinder
16 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:47:54
16 Posted 18/12/2007 at 01:47:54
Always know the cahill, arteta, lescott are going to be there. Want to give credit to the unsung ones.
Phil Neville
Alan Stubbs (back from Sunderland)
Andy Johnson
Nigel Martyn
Brian McBride (for the brief moment)
Phil Neville
Alan Stubbs (back from Sunderland)
Andy Johnson
Nigel Martyn
Brian McBride (for the brief moment)
Jeremy B
17 Posted 18/12/2007 at 07:39:18
17 Posted 18/12/2007 at 07:39:18
I agree with your list, but i think the valuations are a ilttle optimitistic.
Cahill (12 million +)? No, I would say 8 million+
Arteta (12 million +)? No, I would say 8 million+
Lescot (10 million +)? I think around 10 million would be about right
Yobo (14 million+)? No, less than lesscot, so about 8 million...
Cahill (12 million +)? No, I would say 8 million+
Arteta (12 million +)? No, I would say 8 million+
Lescot (10 million +)? I think around 10 million would be about right
Yobo (14 million+)? No, less than lesscot, so about 8 million...
Darren Gough
18 Posted 18/12/2007 at 08:34:52
18 Posted 18/12/2007 at 08:34:52
If I'm honest I never quite know what to make of Yobo. At times he looks fantastic, and at other times he looks flat-footed and his kicking style looks amateur (not sure if that matters to anyone else!). Overall he's been a great signing, but probably wouldn't make my all-time top 5.
Dutch Schaffaer
19 Posted 18/12/2007 at 08:29:45
19 Posted 18/12/2007 at 08:29:45
Best Buys:-
1. Mikel Arteta (Great player, Everton’s most enjoyable to watch, only cost a couple of million).
2. Nigel Martyn (Purchased for peanuts but made 100 appearances becoming the most consistant Everton goalie since Southall).
3. Joseph Yobo (Matured into a great defender and fantastic role model).
4. Joleon Lescott (Class from the moment he made his debut. Strong, good pace and maturing into a great).
5. Tim Cahill (Many managers looked but only Moyes took a chance. Fantastic find).
6. Phil Neville (Our Captain has played consistantly in almost every game over the last three years. A true professional and winner whose attitude has clearly inspired his teammates.
7. Tim Howard (Everton’s current No1 is dependable and consistant. His reputation was in tatters after a difficult Man Utd spell but Moyes took a chance and was rewarded.
8. Alan Stubbs (Was somehow allowed to leave the club but Moyes brought him back on a free. Everton legend).
9. Andy Johnson (Works incredibly hard and scores goals now and again. To be fair he has still to justify his large transfer fee but is certainly one of the better strikers in the Premiership)
10. Steven Pienaar (When everyone complained about losing Fernandes, Moyes kept quiet knowing he already had a gem in Pienaar).
1. Mikel Arteta (Great player, Everton’s most enjoyable to watch, only cost a couple of million).
2. Nigel Martyn (Purchased for peanuts but made 100 appearances becoming the most consistant Everton goalie since Southall).
3. Joseph Yobo (Matured into a great defender and fantastic role model).
4. Joleon Lescott (Class from the moment he made his debut. Strong, good pace and maturing into a great).
5. Tim Cahill (Many managers looked but only Moyes took a chance. Fantastic find).
6. Phil Neville (Our Captain has played consistantly in almost every game over the last three years. A true professional and winner whose attitude has clearly inspired his teammates.
7. Tim Howard (Everton’s current No1 is dependable and consistant. His reputation was in tatters after a difficult Man Utd spell but Moyes took a chance and was rewarded.
8. Alan Stubbs (Was somehow allowed to leave the club but Moyes brought him back on a free. Everton legend).
9. Andy Johnson (Works incredibly hard and scores goals now and again. To be fair he has still to justify his large transfer fee but is certainly one of the better strikers in the Premiership)
10. Steven Pienaar (When everyone complained about losing Fernandes, Moyes kept quiet knowing he already had a gem in Pienaar).
Laurie Hartley
20 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:12:00
20 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:12:00
Did Moyes sign Lee Carsley - If so he should be on the list. PS he should be taking our penalties. Smashin footballer.
Phil Bellis
21 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:27:14
21 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:27:14
Kyle Thorne top judging by the late goals we’re getting
David Gallant
22 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:29:04
22 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:29:04
I agree with much of what has been said. Only thing is, you need a bit more criteria-wise I’d say. For instance, I think that a player should at least be judged on a full season, which rules out a lot of the names bandied about here.
It also means the likes of Pienaar (and I am his biggest fan btw ;), Yak (ditto Pienaar) et al cannot yet come into the equation. For me, using the ’at least one season’ criteria, it would be (in no particular order):
1. Cahill
2. Arteta
3. Lescott
4. Yobo
5. Martyn
It also means the likes of Pienaar (and I am his biggest fan btw ;), Yak (ditto Pienaar) et al cannot yet come into the equation. For me, using the ’at least one season’ criteria, it would be (in no particular order):
1. Cahill
2. Arteta
3. Lescott
4. Yobo
5. Martyn
Ricardo Humphries
23 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:22:54
23 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:22:54
My opinion is as follows
1. Cahill (Fantanstic player, Even Madrid would want a player like him)
2. Tim Howard, he doesn?t get the credit he deserves, but his World Class!!
3. Arteta, a little genius!
4. Lescott, one of the best English defenders in a very very long time.
5. Yobo, great defender, is a bit doggy at times, but brings a lot of stabilaty to our defence. Now a days, you need a tough African defender to compete with the best!
On the Steven Pienaar issue, if Moyes signs him and he re-capture the form of 2003-04, then he should be the one of the best top three signings DM ever made. Our good form only started when Moyes started giving Pienaar a starting lineup run in the team. (After the Liverpool loss; Moyes never should have left him warming the bench the whole game)
1. Cahill (Fantanstic player, Even Madrid would want a player like him)
2. Tim Howard, he doesn?t get the credit he deserves, but his World Class!!
3. Arteta, a little genius!
4. Lescott, one of the best English defenders in a very very long time.
5. Yobo, great defender, is a bit doggy at times, but brings a lot of stabilaty to our defence. Now a days, you need a tough African defender to compete with the best!
On the Steven Pienaar issue, if Moyes signs him and he re-capture the form of 2003-04, then he should be the one of the best top three signings DM ever made. Our good form only started when Moyes started giving Pienaar a starting lineup run in the team. (After the Liverpool loss; Moyes never should have left him warming the bench the whole game)
Alex Robinson
24 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:43:01
24 Posted 18/12/2007 at 10:43:01
Laurie - Cars was a Smith signing just before he got the boot. Agree with you about him taking penalties though!
Dutch Schaffaer
25 Posted 18/12/2007 at 11:41:54
25 Posted 18/12/2007 at 11:41:54
Carsley has improved no end and its Moyes who has got the best out of him.
Its also Moyes who has kept Carsley at the club by offering him new contracts.
Carsley may not have been originally signed by Moyes but he is a Moyes player.
Its also Moyes who has kept Carsley at the club by offering him new contracts.
Carsley may not have been originally signed by Moyes but he is a Moyes player.
Rob Hollis
26 Posted 18/12/2007 at 13:34:49
26 Posted 18/12/2007 at 13:34:49
Please tone down the abuse in your replies because...........I think Arteta is brilliant against weak opposition but have yet to be convinced of his ability to take the big games by the scruff. That is why I think he has yet to be picked for Spain.
He could change my opinion on Sunday though.
He could change my opinion on Sunday though.
Jay Campbell
27 Posted 18/12/2007 at 18:27:09
27 Posted 18/12/2007 at 18:27:09
Dutch, Stubbs is a Everton Legend??? I think that is very insulting to the many great players who have worn the blue jersey and are deserved of that sort of title. Stubbs?s attitude regarding the Rooney saga and when he didn?t get the idiotic sums of money he wanted before he left to Sunderland was nothing short of disgraceful. Legend - what a piss take!!!
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