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That was on its way to being a great battling performance but for me the two substitutions pulled it apart. Gravesen should have come on for Neville, not Yakubu.

As always wth Neville, his ambivalence playing against Manchester United showed throughout his game. Every time there was a breakaway opportunity, he broke it up. Once Yakubu and Cahill went off, United were able to exert consistent pressure. That left the defense and midfield playing too deep, which led to Pienaar's error.

We needed more push, not less in the closing stages. Heartbreaking end, but the important thing is to not let it turn the tide of the season at a crucial time.
Peter Fearon, Liverpool     Posted 23/12/2007 at 14:38:15

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Gavin Ramejkis
1   Posted 23/12/2007 at 15:49:35

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We shouldn’t expect miracles overnight - was surprised as much as the Yak looked to be when he came off - why do teams try to hang on against Man Utd instead of keeping on playing a little too negative to me. Cahill coming off just ensured a hang on finale again giving away the common ground of the only other player that looked capable of scoring. Oh well it couldn’t last forever but even with that teamsheet it wasn’t the collapse I expected. Bring on Bolton and normal service please - one game in fourteen still isn’t bad.
Terry Maddock
2   Posted 23/12/2007 at 15:58:47

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Cahill was injured...and Graveson was brought on to make use of Johnsons pace aginst a team pushing further up and leavin space behind...the subs had no impact at all on the penalty,simply one individual mistake....then I knew the usual suspects would have the knives out..I mean a one goal defeat at old trafford..discraceful..Moyes out...so negative, Johnson , Yakubu,Pienaar,Cahill...
Jimmy Mac
3   Posted 23/12/2007 at 16:38:28

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Exactly the point I was going to make - the first was a very bad substituion. Yakubu was causing them some trouble when he saw the ball, and you could see from his own reaction he wasn?t best pleased. Gravesen for Neville and then McFadden for Cahill would have given us more of the ball and not allowed them to keep coming at us.

For us to truly move to the next level we need to be a little less respectful of United (why do we always seem to roll over for them)? Gravesen, McFadden and two up front for the last 15 mins would have sent out the message to teams like United that they can?t bring on an extra striker, throw caution against the wind against us and expect not to be hit on the break.

On another note, the two things your sure of in a match at Old Trafford are that Neville will play half heartedly and even argue for United (he tried to talk the ref out of booking their players twice) and that every single decision that the crowd call for the ref will give their way.
Gavin Ramejkis
4   Posted 23/12/2007 at 17:09:32

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Terry the knives are not out just see the Yak coming off as negative against their defence, his hold up and finishing far better than AJ who needs to be able to run at and past players Yak more successful as single striker than AJ so far, Man U defence too good for that (AJ’s strengths), fair play if Cahill injured, Hibbert lucky to stay on as was Rooney for two bad tackles frm behind between them.
Pete Gunby
5   Posted 23/12/2007 at 17:25:52

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We looked very comfortable for 2/3rds of the game. We lost our shape and gave up the ball too frequently in the last 20 minutes. This was probably a combination of United’s tactics and our boys starting to tire. Pinnaar’s gaffe was surely due to exhaustion.
The game reinforced how poor Neville is in the midfield. His passes have more chance of hitting a red shirt or an empty space than anything in blue.
We are getting closer and who knows what problems Arteta could have caused them. Lets hope the boys shake it and start another streak.
Joey Brown
6   Posted 23/12/2007 at 17:18:14

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I looked at the line up today and said, "This team will not beat Man United." And at no point did we look likely to score a second. But strange that was more because we, the team who has been banging in goals, looked afraid to shoot. But I think we all realized today we may have competition in our forwards, but that is it.

Of course I would have played Grav in midfield, I don't know what is wrong with Moyes, but really aside from that we're two players down and have no one who can fill in. One other thing was screaming today though that made me not be quite as livid. The team that played West Ham would have beat MU today, but this team will have trouble with an up-and-coming Bolton.

Colin Malone
7   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:37:03

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Surprised not to see James Vaughan not on the bench instead of Victor. Vidic knew what he was getting when Victor came on. Vaughan would have giving more problems to their defence and also plays well with Andy Johnson. He's going to be a top player for the blues.
Danny Smith
8   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:52:55

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Message to Moyes:? PHIL IS A RIGHT BACK!
Nick Xenos
9   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:47:57

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We missed our ball-players in Osman and Arteta today, of that there is no doubt. We conceded possession far too easily I thought, especially towards the end. We didn?t have an outlet when we were under the pump. Arteta is perfect when we are looking to hold onto what we have, as his ability to hold the ball and win free kicks is superb. Pity he was missing today as we would have come away from Trafford with at least a point. Bring on Bolton!
Kev Jennings
10   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:52:30

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"I don?t know what is wrong with Moyes"

Joey, this is the manager that has just took us on an amazing unbeaten run! Whats all this rubbish about Graveson? If he would of played from the start I can gurantee we would never of came close to a draw at united. He is unfit and has poor decision making when he goes running round like a headless chicken. If he played there would of been massive holes in our midfield. Graveson is also slow, and with United?s lightning quick counter-attack, that would be asking for trouble.

Please leave the tactics to Moyes, his acumen has got us in a very strong position and he was minutes away from a fabulous point at Old Trafford.
Clyde McPhatter
11   Posted 23/12/2007 at 20:00:36

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We were never going to win the game, not with the amount of firepower they have upfront. I thought the subs were fine, and we were going to come away with a point which would have been fantastic with an undermanned side. But, we were unluckly. No regrets. The Yak was done. Johnson had more left. It’s okay really. We will do better int he holiday period.
Peter Fearon
12   Posted 23/12/2007 at 20:22:17

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Terry Maddock, I didn?t say any of the negative things you attribute to me. It?s amazing how the blandest of criticisms drives some people to distraction. Yakubu and Cahill coming off made a big difference. That?s so controversial? It changed the shape of the team and drove the midfield too deep. A blind person could see that. That?s "knives out?" I don?t think so. If Graveson had come on for Neville there would have been less territory surrendered in the last 20 minutes of the game.
Jay Campbell
13   Posted 23/12/2007 at 20:27:11

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Kev Jennings Moyes fucked up the tactics today good style. Why the f*ck does he keep picking Ann Robinson when anyone can see he’s the worst footballer at the club.
Tony Williams
14   Posted 23/12/2007 at 21:04:00

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Jay, will you be added the same sentiment on all of todays posts?

I won’t repeat my response, it is on the other thread.
Peter Morton
15   Posted 23/12/2007 at 23:35:23

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Sorry to say it but i think the joy-ride is over! It only needed a couple of injuries and our midfield weakness is totally exposed.
Neville is an embarrassment and Gravesen clearly indicates why Strachan couldn’t wait to ship him out.
I don’t expect anything from the Bolton game as they are back on song and Arsenal are in a different league.
But,all in all,it’s been a good run and we can now prepare to get back to normal.
Brendan McLaughlin
16   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:47:40

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Yeah, of course it was the two substitutions. Stevie P’s shambles of a tackle with two minutes left didn’t affect the outcome of the game at all.
Brendan McLaughlin
17   Posted 23/12/2007 at 18:47:40

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The two substitutions pulled it apart!!!. What about SP’s lazy swipe two minutes from time, I thought that’s what gave them the lead. But of course no it was Moyes’ substitutions!
Daniel Lim
18   Posted 24/12/2007 at 02:21:30

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Bolton back on song. How? Here’s their latest form.
D W L W L W
Chris Masey
19   Posted 24/12/2007 at 10:06:17

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When we went 1-0 down I noticed Neville started to motivate the troops, forcing them to raise their game. He didn’t have a great game but to make those suggestions you really are wide of the mark.
Matt Stone
20   Posted 24/12/2007 at 14:10:46

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fuck graveson. send him back
Peter Fearon
21   Posted 24/12/2007 at 18:16:09

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Chris Massey - this is a player who has never had a great or even a good game against his old club. In fact, his scoring rate for United in a blue shirt is somewhat better than when he wore a red shirt. He is ambivalent. Perhaps he wouldn’t be human if he wasn’t. His friends, his family, his life are inextricably tied up with Manchester United. Mentally, he’s only on loan to Everton. It’s evident in his play.

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