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Pienaar v Arteta
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With his assist for AJ's goal today Peanut has tallied more assists than Mikky in all competitions. Also considering he, like Arteta, has scored two goals (and we know who takes the penalties), it looks like the our little South African is proving himself a key asset. So my question is, has Pienaar become as important if not more important than Arteta?
I'd say he's as important now and he seems to be the more consistent performer of the two. Arteta still has him beat on skill but that could change too.
Joey Brown, Posted 02/01/2008 at 01:21:29
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Gavin Ramejkis
2 Posted 02/01/2008 at 08:38:28
2 Posted 02/01/2008 at 08:38:28
We are still a "mdifield general" away from truly challenging for the top, given the resources of the top sides due to un-Everton wealth they have dedpth and different flavours of players for different scenarios - eg flair players and telented workers to play against different types of sides, you can’t play the same football against every team and not be found out; you must be able to change it around - the switching midfield play we currently play; Arteta, Cahill, Osman and Pienaar switching sides mesmorises most sides but not all.
Eric Myles
3 Posted 02/01/2008 at 09:01:50
3 Posted 02/01/2008 at 09:01:50
Pienaar is certainly more important to us in the next 3 games than Arteta is that’s for sure.
Alex Taylor
4 Posted 02/01/2008 at 08:59:01
4 Posted 02/01/2008 at 08:59:01
This debate has been raging in another thread and I stick by my opinion that Piennaar is having a better run at the mo. Think it could be due to the fact that teams have smartened up to Arteta in the past couple of seasons, while Pienaar is still showing defenders what he can do. Great to be discussing this! COYB
Eddy Jones
5 Posted 02/01/2008 at 09:43:28
5 Posted 02/01/2008 at 09:43:28
So my question is, has Pienaar become as important if not more important than Arteta? quote,
Answer, They are both important.
Answer, They are both important.
Micky Norman
6 Posted 02/01/2008 at 11:01:13
6 Posted 02/01/2008 at 11:01:13
I think they both benefit from being able to switch sides which freshens up the play giving opposition full backs more to think about. My biggest concern is wastage of dead balls, particularly by Arteta. If you see those stats in the Telegraph, we are one of the most fouled against teams. Arteta, the most fouled player in the league. If we made more of free kicks we could be even more threatening than we are now. When was the last time we scored from a FK outside the box? But hey ho-we’re 5th and happy so what do i know? Let’s just hope these two lads are still blues for years to come.
Dean Johnson
7 Posted 02/01/2008 at 11:54:58
7 Posted 02/01/2008 at 11:54:58
the amount of lumps that Mikky gets kicked out of him every game, I’m not surprised his set-pieces suffer.
He’s probably still thinking ow when he takes them.
and to those who have said he dives, what is worst form of cheating? Kicking or diving?
He’s probably still thinking ow when he takes them.
and to those who have said he dives, what is worst form of cheating? Kicking or diving?
Juan Roman
8 Posted 02/01/2008 at 12:23:05
8 Posted 02/01/2008 at 12:23:05
Dean, HE DIVES. Other players kicking him doesn’t make it any better. But ssshhhh, we’re not allowed talk about that on here
Connor Rohrer
9 Posted 02/01/2008 at 12:33:32
9 Posted 02/01/2008 at 12:33:32
Pienaar has 2 goals and 8 assists in 23 starts whereas Arteta has 2 goals and 6 assists in 22 starts. So yes Pienaar has been more creative and that is nice to see. Arteta needed some burden taken off him and now we have someone who can do this.
Do I think Pienaar is better than Arteta........no. I think Arteta is the better all round player but they are different and have different attributes. Pienaar’s final ball is definatly better. Arteta has a tendency to over do it and take on one to many players before the attack is cleared whereas Pienaar just looks up and makes the killer pass.
If we can get a central midfielder in then they will both improve. I’m not one who says we actually need a dominant midfield general. I’d be much more happier with a dictator or ball player in the middle of the park. Someone like Manuel Fernandes. He’s not the biggest but he’s still very strong on the ball, retains possession and can see a through ball aswell as dictate a game, If not Fernandes then someone is that mold. If we get this player then we’d have creativity for both central and wide areas. If we get a natural winger in then there’s always a case for moving Arteta centrally but I doubt that will happen.
Osman is an excellent stop gap and he is a very important player for us but that extra midfielder gives us much more flexibility. The midfielder could slot into the middle of the park whereas Ossie could challenge for both wide and central areas.
Do I think Pienaar is better than Arteta........no. I think Arteta is the better all round player but they are different and have different attributes. Pienaar’s final ball is definatly better. Arteta has a tendency to over do it and take on one to many players before the attack is cleared whereas Pienaar just looks up and makes the killer pass.
If we can get a central midfielder in then they will both improve. I’m not one who says we actually need a dominant midfield general. I’d be much more happier with a dictator or ball player in the middle of the park. Someone like Manuel Fernandes. He’s not the biggest but he’s still very strong on the ball, retains possession and can see a through ball aswell as dictate a game, If not Fernandes then someone is that mold. If we get this player then we’d have creativity for both central and wide areas. If we get a natural winger in then there’s always a case for moving Arteta centrally but I doubt that will happen.
Osman is an excellent stop gap and he is a very important player for us but that extra midfielder gives us much more flexibility. The midfielder could slot into the middle of the park whereas Ossie could challenge for both wide and central areas.
Tom Campbell
10 Posted 02/01/2008 at 14:33:00
10 Posted 02/01/2008 at 14:33:00
Look at this Pienaar video, brilliant
http://bebo.com/watch/5330700543
http://bebo.com/watch/5330700543
Dominic Fitzpatrick
11 Posted 02/01/2008 at 14:55:58
11 Posted 02/01/2008 at 14:55:58
I don’t think we should get too carried away.
Of course, bask in the current success of the team but to say we are a couple of signings away from Arsenal and United is maybe pushing it.
Strengthening the team further will improve our chances of success, that’s a given, but sometimes people forget that football is an ever-evolving game, we may strengthen and so may United and Arsenal for example, does this mean the gap becomes smaller?
I think we should keep our feet firmly rooted to the ground and be quietly happy about what is going on, make how you feel known every saturday afternoon, that’s my advice.
But to say we are moving in the right direction is a tad naive, yes we are doing really well, but weren’t Spurs last season? How many of you actually thought that with their money and the right signings they stood a better chance of penetrating the upper echelons of the Premier League than us? Now look at them!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
Of course, bask in the current success of the team but to say we are a couple of signings away from Arsenal and United is maybe pushing it.
Strengthening the team further will improve our chances of success, that’s a given, but sometimes people forget that football is an ever-evolving game, we may strengthen and so may United and Arsenal for example, does this mean the gap becomes smaller?
I think we should keep our feet firmly rooted to the ground and be quietly happy about what is going on, make how you feel known every saturday afternoon, that’s my advice.
But to say we are moving in the right direction is a tad naive, yes we are doing really well, but weren’t Spurs last season? How many of you actually thought that with their money and the right signings they stood a better chance of penetrating the upper echelons of the Premier League than us? Now look at them!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
Brian Waring
12 Posted 02/01/2008 at 15:38:26
12 Posted 02/01/2008 at 15:38:26
It’s funny you should mention Spurs Dominic.I was going to ask if anyone had seen that prick, Alan Hansen on MOTD after Spurs got beat?He reckons that the only team that can still break into the top 4 this season is,wait for it...... Spurs.FFS,is the man on some sort of medication or what?
Dominic Fitzpatrick
13 Posted 02/01/2008 at 16:48:11
13 Posted 02/01/2008 at 16:48:11
Yes I did happen to see that too Brian.
I was thinking, ?that should play perfectly into David Moyes? hands.?
Afterall, by his own admission, that is how he likes it. ?We?ll show them!?
MOTD is becoming more and more cringeworthy; you either have Alan Shearer spouting nonsense, or Lawrenson and Hansen hiding behind their red tinted glasses.
Notice everytime Lineker (who I don?t mind) mentions Everton, the two either have a sly dig or are really careful about what they say.
Spurs, the only club who can break the top four pssh! Says a lot about Liverpool then, who I?d say are the weaker of the ?mythical top four?.
There?s a top two in my eyes, nothing else. The other two Champions League slots are there for the taking, and at the moment who are the best equipped team to seize it? You wouldn?t have thought so watching last night!
I was thinking, ?that should play perfectly into David Moyes? hands.?
Afterall, by his own admission, that is how he likes it. ?We?ll show them!?
MOTD is becoming more and more cringeworthy; you either have Alan Shearer spouting nonsense, or Lawrenson and Hansen hiding behind their red tinted glasses.
Notice everytime Lineker (who I don?t mind) mentions Everton, the two either have a sly dig or are really careful about what they say.
Spurs, the only club who can break the top four pssh! Says a lot about Liverpool then, who I?d say are the weaker of the ?mythical top four?.
There?s a top two in my eyes, nothing else. The other two Champions League slots are there for the taking, and at the moment who are the best equipped team to seize it? You wouldn?t have thought so watching last night!
Martin Berry
14 Posted 02/01/2008 at 17:59:48
14 Posted 02/01/2008 at 17:59:48
Lucky to have two excellent wide players, which means massive problems on either flank for the opposition. The best news is that we are only going to get better. Once we have our midfield general then we could be the finished article.Step forward Mr Appiah, ok he is in the ACN but that gives you chance to see how good is, if he comes to the Premiership he will be the best African playing in our league, lets hope in an Everton shirt
Connor Rohrerc
15 Posted 02/01/2008 at 18:45:14
15 Posted 02/01/2008 at 18:45:14
Martin, Appiah is injured and will not play in the African nations. He seems to be a bit of a crock. He’s been injured consistently for a while now and hasn’t got a good run of games together.
Best African in the league? Please don’t make me laugh. He’s Ghana’s third best midfielder after Essien and Muntari who both ply there trade in the Premier league. There are defiantly better options out there than Appiah.
Best African in the league? Please don’t make me laugh. He’s Ghana’s third best midfielder after Essien and Muntari who both ply there trade in the Premier league. There are defiantly better options out there than Appiah.
Adam Harris
16 Posted 02/01/2008 at 19:24:38
16 Posted 02/01/2008 at 19:24:38
I don?t really care with the stats between Arteta and Pienaar.
I do know we own Arteta and while Pienaar is playing like a decent grafter Dortmund are rubbing there hands in glee with euro signs in their eyes.
Hope the price was decided before the loan move was finalised.
I do know we own Arteta and while Pienaar is playing like a decent grafter Dortmund are rubbing there hands in glee with euro signs in their eyes.
Hope the price was decided before the loan move was finalised.
John Charles
17 Posted 02/01/2008 at 22:12:45
17 Posted 02/01/2008 at 22:12:45
£2.5m option to buy, Adam.
Jack Johnson
18 Posted 02/01/2008 at 22:43:25
18 Posted 02/01/2008 at 22:43:25
Does anyone know if Arteta will be back for the Man City game? Do the FA cup and League cup games count as part of his suspension? Hope so. Finally - Parker or Sidwell, go get em Moyesey.
Nick Xenos
19 Posted 03/01/2008 at 04:24:51
19 Posted 03/01/2008 at 04:24:51
Jack, the Carling Cup fixture counts so he’ll be back for the all important City clash. We win that and we could go up into 4th!
Ricardo Humphries
20 Posted 03/01/2008 at 18:22:03
20 Posted 03/01/2008 at 18:22:03
If we sign Pienaar permanently I would like him to see him wearing our number 10 shirt. That would really mean a lot to him, cause Everton is the first team to give him another number.
Can anyone tell me how it came about him getting the no 20 shirt? Let?s reward him with a permanent contract; good deal and the number 10 shirt for all his hard work and commitment to us, cause we would like to keep him for as long as possible. I?m South African and I know the player pretty well, his the type of player that doesn?t care too much about money, he just wants to play football and would die for the team he represents.
I remember a few months ago I tried to convince guys on ToffeeWeb that he was a great addition to our team, but people just choose to crucify Pienaar long before he even kicked ball for us. Get real guys and let?s support and trust the manager if he brings in players.
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1 Posted 02/01/2008 at 07:08:10