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It's Started... the Capital of Kopites
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On BBC Breakfast this morning - an item about the City of Culture "kick-off" today. Lots of stock footage of the Liver Buildings, the Fab Four, LFC's badge on their gates, the Shankly statue, fans queuing, Alexei Sayle saying that true scousers are born within earshot of the Kop.... and of Everton? What a surprise, no mention whatsoever. I really hope we beat Man City & Liverpool lose this weekend, so we can be above them at the start of the CofC year ? that'll get up the noses of the media...
Paul Turner, Posted 11/01/2008 at 09:33:26
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2 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:34:14
3 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:33:27
4 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:39:07
5 Posted 10/01/2008 at 22:42:29
And the whole thing kicks off this week with Ringo performing a concert from St George?s Hall.
Obviously nothing excites me more than the prospect of watching the least popular Beatle play songs that he didn't write, on a rooftop so high that nobody can see him. Despite this, as a scouser I am still proud of the award that our fair city has been given, and have been taking in all the news reports over the last week or so.
North West Tonight carried a lengthy piece about the homecoming gig of everyone?s favourite train-based narrator. And it wasn?t a bad report at all.
That was until The Culture Company?s very own Phil 'I invented Brookie you know la' Redmond appears on the box, complete with Peter Stringfellow barnet. He procedes to tell us that the whole event is to signify 'music coming home' just as (deep breath) the European Cup has done five times, most recently when the RS won it in Istanbul. He then flashed that oh-so-clever '5 Times' sign with his fingers that we all know and love, just so we were left in no doubt as to how close to the fence his red arse actually is. (Apparently RS supporters down in Exeter were particularly gutted after their defeat to Milan in Athens, as they subsequently missed out on the chance to use their cumbersome sixth digit with a new and improved hand gesture.)
How an official member of The Culture Company can so flippantly choose to alienate half of the city by drawing an analogy between one of the biggest events here for years, and a RS penalty shoot-out trophy homecoming is short-sighted at best.
At worst it is simply unacceptable - The Culture Company were set up to run the events for 2008. They were not set up to gloat about past achievements of one of the clubs that resides here.
6 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:48:51
If anyone else wants to do this the e-mail address is
breakfasttv@bbc.co.uk
Perhaps if enough of us Evertonians do this we might at least get a mention on the Show - may be worth a try.
Oh yes, I see from the programme of events that Paul McCartney will be holding a Concert in June and guess where... ...that?s right Anfield Stadium... poor publicity for the arseholes.
7 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:29:23
Just look at 51st state! Its bad enough that Robert Carlyle can’t do a scouse accent, but making him an Liverpool fan obsessed with getting tickets to the Liverpool - Man Utd game?
No, i have lost all faith in any of the aboves abillity to report accurately Everton, and our role in the city. Although - to be fair, I’m quite used to us not exsisting now!
8 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:00:07
I?ll never forget when that Kenwright said THAT song brought a lump to his throat!!!
I know what I would of liked to bring a lump too. Stop looking for excuses and look for the root cause of the problem. Kenwright AKA Dr Fun.
9 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:14:40
Also in Brookie one of the cast, who was an absolute true blue, was forced to pretend to be a kopite.
We need more Everton supporting playwrights to producers; if only we could find one.....
10 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:12:59
Although I’m relatively a "woollyback" - I was born in Waterloo - I’m proud of our city, and proud to say I was born there. In an ideal world, Everton would remain there (but that’s another story...)
My wish for 2008 is for Everton FC to contribute to the city’s celebrations by bringing home a trophy - preferably the UEFA Cup - and to prove that there is another football club (in fact, THE ORIGINAL club) in Liverpool. COYB!!
11 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:07:44
The national agenda is based on ignorance of the history of the City and of Everton in particular. Off the back of Liverpool’s success in Europe (it has to be cos they’ve won little else for the past 17 years) they have attracted a fair weather fan base across the country, who have never seen their team except via the TV screen. The media, whether Press, BBC or Sky, pandesr to this. It hasn’t helped that, due to the paucity of competition in the Premier League, they have managed to finish in the top four far more often than their actual ability should have allowed. They have often effectively punched above their weight with no one to take advantage. The times are a-changing though. Everton, City Portsmouth and Villa are all biting at their heels now and their crap brand of football will soon be reflected in league placings; internal strife and a stadium they can’t afford will be icing on the cake.
At the local level I wrote an article some time ago, about how the local council had done Everton no favours and that the recent talk of finding sites for Everton was so much window dressing to cover up their lack of real commitment for the previous three years. Gone quiet again hasn’t it ? So it doesn’t surprise me when we don’t get a mention in the City of Culture extravaganza. In true Stalinist style we are being airbrushed from the City’s consciousness with indecent haste.
I’m from Liverpool, I was born in Ismay St just off Goodison Road. Liverpool where a second division side then and but for Shankly probably still would be today. The bias, ignorance and hypocisy of it all makes me both sad and sickened at the same time.
However, as they say, " don’t get mad, get even" and it would be great if we could finish above them again for the second time in three years. That may or may not happen, but whatever the media or local council dream up, always remember the words of one Mr. Brian Labone "one Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians" NSNO. COYB
12 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:34:02
1 half of me wants this capital of culture to be a success as all eyes will be on my city etc etc........BUT the other half of it wants it to fall flat on its face because of the people who run this city the dirty, criminal, lying, cheating scum of the Liverpool city council. That includes Anderson lot & Bradleys lot......the city will prosper in spite of these people not because of these people, absolute twats.
Now lets concentrate on the blues tomorrow, beat City & we go 4th for a bit.......puts pressure on other sides around (& above us) and gives us a boost after chelsea game. COYB
13 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:34:20
14 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:50:47
GET EVERTON OUT THE CITY... .I'm flying a plane over Goodison on Saturday
15 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:42:56
16 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:41:32
I think you will find the people of Liverpool will be flocking to these, not the overpriced professional scousers who are returning for the first time in years. Mostly to try and rekindle their dying talents and try to get on the lucrative nostalgia tours.
There is plenty of great talent in this city, including international recognised theatre groups who are not darlings of the media.
Yellowhouse springs to mind which is run by a fellow Evertonian and is at every home game.
We all know, football culture and history in this city only meams one thing. EVERTON.
17 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:56:05
18 Posted 11/01/2008 at 13:55:40
1. Believe it or not most people don?t know that Everton are from Liverpool - so if they showed Goodison, most people watching it may have been left scratching their heads.
2. It was supposed to link in with Alexi living within spitting distance of Anfield.
Perhaps when the BBC do more pieces throughout the year they will cover Everton. I guess emailing the BBC about it may make sure they give us the coverage we desrve.
19 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:03:19
Off to a shithole in Kirkby, strongly and loyally supporrted by the other fat bastard when the majority of Evertonians know we are heading for a disater.
Looking forward to his next revelation. It is now beginning to fit together.
20 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:02:34
I did e-mail the BBC breakfast show as below:
As an exiled Scouser and very proud of my roots, I looked forard to your item on this morning?s breakfast show. I was dismayed, however, that although plenty of focus was given to Liverpool FC particularly by your presenter, Alex What?shis-name [What?s he ever done for the culture of the City of Liverpool? ] that a no-biaisd picture was given.
By all means show Bill Shankley?s statue but why not Dixi Dean?s statue outside of Goodison Park - no-one has ever surpassed his goal soring tally for one season and is by far the most famous footballer from the area and who played for Everton Football Club - a founder of the Football League who were long in existence before Liverpool Football Club and who, you might not have noticed, are also in the premiership.
I think it is rather pathetic that your item was so blatently geared towards Liverpool Football Club. As the only City to have two cathedrals in the British Isles - would you have mentioned the Anglican Cathedral and disregarded the Catholic one known as Paddy?s Wigwam!! No I think not - so why leave out the other major Football Club and, dare I say it, one with more history than the other.
21 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:17:28
22 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:20:02
8:25 am and 8:55 am
Go for it guys!! Perhaps if we bombard them with e-mails some mention of EFC may be made.
23 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:38:22
24 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:28:48
"We offered £12 Million for him(Shearer) when he?d already joined Newcastle for £15 million. We want to show Everton fans we mean business" Your right Bill you are the kiddie.
Patty Beesley: you should have informed them of Shankly?s famous words when he left Liverpool saying that after he was no longer the manager he was made to feel more welcome at Everton Football Club than the club that he made so sucessful.
Don?t even get me started on the likes of Bobby fucking Crush and Stan Boardman etc.
25 Posted 11/01/2008 at 14:52:34
By the way, if their shithole of a ground with IS SO FUCKING GOOD, then why did it finish 16th in the most noisiest ground survey on sky??? and where did we finish??? 5TH!!!!! shove that up your supposedly great club with such a fantastic atmosphere!!!
What a joke!!!
There is more noise in a library than at Anfield!!!
26 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:01:24
27 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:29:23
I’d love to see Everton represented more as part of 2008, but the club will have to do a lot to bring itself to the attention of a London-based media who’s idea of an authentic scouser is Harry Enfield in a curly wig.
28 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:42:48
Shame on the BBC though!!
29 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:45:56
30 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:46:19
31 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:46:54
32 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:59:05
"Kopite Lovers"
"I am sure you delighted all of Devon and Shropshire with your red malaise
on that feature this morning. Thought the feature was crap by the way.
The oldest team and the team of the city play in Blue"
33 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:02:25
34 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:17:15
35 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:18:47
36 Posted 11/01/2008 at 15:57:13
Cilla "Worra Singer" Black
Ken "Jam Butty F*ckin mines" Dodd
That tool who sit’s in the Kop with all them badges on im. Gobsh*te.
Sonia "Short arse Diva"
Kenny Everitt.
Gerry "you’ll neva cross the F*ckin Mersey alone" Marsden.
Stan "about as funny as a week in the Jug" Boardman. "Ray Quinn" that smarmy little t*at from the X Factor.
Tom "Rib Tickler" O’Connor.
Bobby Crush enough said.
Mel C "Dog Spice"
Ricky "Plonky Nose" Tomlinson
and last but certainly not least Phil "I could smoke a ciggie in the shower with this hooter" Thompson.
I’ve probably missed loads as well.
Kenwright shouldn’t need any more ammunition to rip the p*ss out of them regarding this city of culture carry on and he’s got John "True Blue" Rambo in our corner as well
Look at the above and say thank f*ck I woz born a blue.
37 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:38:30
38 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:03:23
39 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:05:43
You see there’s too many of them ov them norbert’s to remember.
40 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:57:00
David Beckham is the greatest English Football Player.
The Spice Girls reunion is relevant to music.
Only the clubs with the highest financial turnover matter in the premier league.
Tony Blair is important to peace in the Arab world (when he is not bombing it)
The McCanns ar profiteering from a film of their personal disaster.
Believe little of what you read and let Liverpool Shitty Council get on with it.
A midfield of Pienaar, Osman, Fernandez and Arteta is all we need to stay happy. In fact I would not swap that with any club in the country. The shite will not be top four this year but there is a good chance we will.
41 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:20:44
42 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:17:34
43 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:11:00
Stavanger, Norway.
The EU awarded the title to two cities (not unusually) for 2008, and I’m sure that all our Norwegian mates are justifiably happy with this. Apparently, Stavanger’s preparations haven’t been dogged by the cat-house in-fighting of their joint title holders. Good luck to them.
I’d love to see Alexei Sayle defend the accusation of being a professional scouser. For anyone interested, the last short story in his ’Barcelona Plates’ collection entitled "The Last Woman To Die In the War" is interesting reading.
An my grandad, born in Mayo (we think) and a Birkenhead docker (when he could find work) referred to himself as a scouser. Those on the other side of the water he called "whackers".
Know your history.
44 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:40:23
Also I think it is hypocritical of the club to be talking about being a part of the Culture celebrations while at the same time saying that the city is not good enough for the club! The bastards.
45 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:51:05
46 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:52:39
47 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:53:27
48 Posted 11/01/2008 at 17:58:10
John stared back incredulously. "World? He’s not the best drummer in the fucking Beatles!"
(By the way, I wouldn’t worry too much about this BBC shit. I actually don’t particularly want Everton associated with a circus of Ringo Starr and other fucking professional scousers. And I would rather see the leaders of LCC thrown off the top of St George’s Hall than do anything to help them. We are Everton and above this kind of media crap.)
49 Posted 11/01/2008 at 18:28:54
If they did a similar piece on London, there would be pictures of Stamford Bridge and the Emirates, and not a mention of anything else. And if they did Manchester of course it would be all red and all Old Trafford.
Actually, the best supported teams in Liverpool and Manchester are playing each other tomorrow. The media will be worrying about Anelka, the RS’s new centre half and all the other twats. Don’t sweat it!
50 Posted 11/01/2008 at 18:33:40
Just accept that nearly every exiled Liverpudlian "celebrity" will latch onto the RS.
As for Alexei Sayle ,he was the fat kid at school who had absolutely zilch interest in footy. He’s a mate of me brothers and we had a drink with him in a pub in Little Venice ( very luvvie ) before the 1986 final. He didn’t mention the game once!
I for one am proud that we don’t attract these beauts.
51 Posted 11/01/2008 at 18:44:14
52 Posted 11/01/2008 at 16:57:02
Simple as that. Be Blue. Be True. Be Proud. Be Loud. Be There.
End of.
Right, see yiz down there. I'll be the one with a Blue and White scarf on (well it's cold enough!)
53 Posted 11/01/2008 at 19:08:00
54 Posted 11/01/2008 at 19:19:42
55 Posted 11/01/2008 at 20:47:01
56 Posted 12/01/2008 at 00:01:04
As for the professional scousers, how many really follow football? I have never heard Marsden mention them until they adopted his song. Alexi is a tragic man and as a well known; Tory Tarby has a lot in common with the city.... they all loved our city so much they fucked off and are invited to this shin dig. It's a joke!
57 Posted 12/01/2008 at 12:41:29
On a lighter note, lets hope we beat City today and go above the Shite. Nice way to start 2008
58 Posted 13/01/2008 at 00:17:48
59 Posted 15/01/2008 at 14:31:56
Thank you for your email.
I am sorry that you were unhappy with the piece on the City of Culture. The item involving Alexei Sayle was supposed to be his personal views about growing up in Liverpool rather than an overall look at the city as a whole. Since Alexei grew up within 500 metres of Anfield any look into his experiences about growing up in the city was going to be significantly coloured by this.
Away from the Alexei Sayle interview, the broadcast as a whole was meant to reflect the cultural events happening in Liverpool over the forthcoming year and hence the decision was made not to mention football.
Again, I apologise that you were unhappy with the piece (needless to say it was flagged up at the time by the Evertonians in the Breakfast office!) and I hope this answers your queries.
Kind regards,
BBC Breakfast


1 Posted 11/01/2008 at 12:30:33