I am a Moyes fan.However i don’t see him as a "great".They are few.He is imho,a very good manager and we have gained from keeping calm and growing slowly.

I agree with you on Bill but Moyes cannot be described as 2nd only to Kendall. Until then he is behind quite a few including Catterick and Royle.

Good to have stability alright but I don't think I can forgive him for Kings Dock.

Im a big Moyes and Kenwright fan, I think Moyes just needs to deliver a trophy and he will go down as a great! As for Bill, he seems to have got the club going again weather it be down to the team or Robert Earls cash, there is a buzz around the club and its still a family club and not just a corparate logo with some cheesy grinned billionaire wanting a pat on the back from the little people! COYB!!

Whilst DM isn’t perfect (still a tadge defensive when attack might reap more reward - e.g. Chelsea, pre-sending off), smart fans of most other clubs are incredibly envious of what we have at Everton. I know because I hear it from lots of them.

Bill Kenwright deserves massive praise for that. He’s trying to balance ambition and raw emotion with financial realism, anyone who doubts that need only look across Stanley Park at the car-crash waiting to happen. To have a Chairman and Manager so obviously and viscerally committed to my club, is a good feeling.

The more negative contributors to this forum (and there are some who make it their life’s purpose) should listen to the thoughts of people like Wenger and Ferguson. These are two of the very best managers, not only in England, but in the world.

Ferguson reckoned that Everton, under DM, had by far the best chance to break into the so called big 4. He based this on an overall assessment of the club, its leadership & management, and a team-building philosophy that sees us fielding some of the finest young talent anywhere. Lescott, Arteta, Cahill, Osman, Pienaar, Howard, Baines, Vaughan & Anichebe are all better & more valuable now than they were. Throw in the likes of Yak, Johnson, Yono & Fernandez and, hey, I’m happy.

In fact, I feel blessed to be an Evertonian because when we win something big (and, despite the influx of Russian oligarchs and south-east Asian money launderers, I have no doubt we will) it will taste sweeter than the sweetest honey. It will not come out of expectation or some perverse idea that "we’re a big club and deserve the best", it will have come through hard work, intelligence and genuine feeling for the club.

We were VERY unlucky recently against the top 2 teams in this league. We are almost there. Imagine this, in a short space of time we could be sitting in a CL place, homing in on the UEFA cup and at the new Wembley. If rumours are to be believed (and there seems a grain of truth in this one) we may even have one of the most skilful and exciting players in Europe (Arshavin) in our sights. So, fuck the negativity, just pinch me!

Love & peace to all blues.

Kenwright is a phoney and an absolute disgrace to the name of Everton Football Club in my opinion.

His track record as Everton chairman is pitiful.

Before any of you say it was Walter Smith who recommended Moyes to Everton not Kenwright’s sharp IQ.

And another thing before you say he’s always provided Moyes with money it’s the club’s money not his own that he’s borrowed.

He tells more lies than Fleetwood Mac

Couldn’t agree more Loworth. On hearing some Liverpool players talking about them becoming a laughing stock, (too late!), you have to be thankful that Kenwright at least has some morals. He supports his manager who in his second full season finished 17th, and let him carry out his plan. That second season would have seen Moyes off at Newcastle and Liverpool, yet look where we are now.
Sacking a manager after 24 games and holding talks to replace your current one in secret is a sad state of affairs and shows that these new rich owners aren’t always the silver lining first thought.

Neil Fitz. Am I allowed to say "fuckwit" on this forum? OK then, sad misguided idiot.

Perhaps an international money launderer with several arrest warrants out for him?, or a Freddy Shepherd with a revolving door for the manager?, or a Hicks & Gillette dream ticket?, or anyone with loads of money, regardless of where it comes from?

"His track record as Everton chairman is pitiful"?! - Explain how you came to this assessment.

I think in your case mate it’s time to attach the electrodes of intelligence to the bollocks of ignorance.

alan kirwin
well said lad ,there are shit loads of blues out there just waiting for a slip up to dive in and rip moyes and bill to bits.look at the team now,we are oozin class all over the pitch,weve got finch farm,the best training facility around,weve got a youth system wih some crackin young lads comeing through.we are stable and moveing forward.we are the peoples club,not some circus owned by the americans(just in it for the fans).look around,otherfans would give anything to be in our position.i an everton to the bone.and at the moment i am lovin every fuckin second of it.keep us movin dm and bill,were nearly there

Alan Kirwin examples of Kenwright’s failings all when he’s been present on the board of directors so yes all done on his f*ckin watch

Collapse of the NTL deal 20 Million spent without the deal being concluded.

Public battle with Peter Johnson regarding takeover when he was all but going round the Whimslow doing a whip-round to aquire the club. Embarrassing.
Getting the doorman to read out to the press that Kendall had left the club for the third time. A Doorman.
Another public battle this time with Paul Gregg dragging the sorry financial state the club was in through the national papers. Great reading that was.
"I wouldn’t sell Rooney for less than 50 million". The minute Man U come in with a double figure bid Kenwright shat himself and was done up like a kipper by UTD. Club was ripped off again.
After selling Rooney looking straight into the camera’s and saying "yes new signing’s are on the way deffo cross my heart and that sh*te" Window closed no new signings.

Fortress Sport Fund headed by lifelong Everton fan Chris Samuelsson who couldn’t name at the AGM who scored the winning goal in the 66 Cup Final. After waiting for the massive sum of 15 Million(watch out Madrid, Barca) for over 7 months this fairytale vanished into thin air.
Ending Everton’s association with our home city and keeping some of the most loyal fan’s in the country in the dark about all aspects of the move. Him and his board’s conduct during that whole process was unforgivable in my opinion. "I don’t want to be remembered for the man who sold Wayne Ronney and the man that took Everton out of the City" He’ll go down in history alright.

F*ckwit no Alan i’m very educated as it happens and I know bluffmerchant when I see one. By what the f*ck he supports Everton so let him F*ck us over and take us for Idiots he’s a blue so who cares??

Neil: BK never hid anything about his personal ability to give to Everton financially. He’s not Abramovic and so he’s had to scour the globe for potential "good" investment for Everton.

"Good" is, I admit, a subjective term. But I have always (despite his short-comings & too often (in the past) wearing his blue heart on his sleeve) believed in BK’s intentions. The simple fact is we had no other serious options. Would you seriously have been happy for Paul Greg to run your club?

Your memory of the Rooney affair is flaky or disengenuous. First & foremost his head was turned and he wanted to go (fact). He mistakenly (& stupidly) blamed Moyes for releasing info on him to the press and made it crystal clear that he would go anywhere (even Newcastle) to get away (read his own auto-biography, it’s all in there).

Everton and BK were faced with a disruptive little shit that was worth a lot of money but not, sadly, the £50m that we would have loved to have demanded. The blind truth is, it was felt that Chelsea might enter the bid for him and, had that happened, he would have gone for more than £27m. However, to slag off BK for getting £27m for a teenager is, frankly, double-bollocks. With only 2 bidders we got a good deal, in fact a great deal.

As for the Kirkby point Neil, well, despite having numerous relatives living in the town it would not have been my first choice either. But you, like me, don’t have to balance commercial reality and economic conditions to your fantasies.

And that’s the thing. We all want bigger and better but, oddly, someone has to pay for it. The "owners" of Liverpool were mortgaging the club to the skies to pay for their little palace. We have neither the cash nor the cachet. So it was never going to happen.

If we spent the next 5 years winning trophies, including at least one league title and going close in the champions league then, yes, in 2013 we might have a case for generating the cash to drive a new stadium closer to Liverpool city centre. Life is never simple Neil. It’s about decisions, often hard ones and often at the wrong time. Bill Kenwright has made a tough decision at a tough time.

Forget Fortress and Kings Dock. Every club has their skeletons. Everton is on the up in the most important way, on the pitch. if you deny BK any credit for that then you’re just plain mean. Goodison needs replacing now and we don’t have the cash, or the space, to do it. The argument has been won.

There’s bitterness in your comments Neil and, frankly, there are far more important things in my world to get angry about than my club moving its stadium a few miles or a chairman showing that he’s as human as anyone else.

Try and enjoy the moment Neil. Life’s too short and, having lost my mother, father and little brother very recently (all Evertonians by the way) I know this to be true.

Love & peace.

Fot those who want Kenwright out I would point to Peter Johnson a man with massive amounts of money but did not put any of his own into EFC but instead left us with massive debts. Paul Greeg another with massive loads of money but not a penny put into EFC. Whilst Kenwright is not an Abramovich mega bucks Chairman we have not done too badly. Newcastle and Liverpool have spent bucket loads of money but their fans are still miserable as hell.

Dunno if I?m as well-educated as Neil Fitz, but I?ll give it a go?

? Collapse of the NTL deal? Was BK personally responsible for the dot.com crash at that time? NTL were already sponsoring such clubs (from memory?) as the Barcodes, Leeds, and the two Glasgow clubs. The company had to be completely overhauled as a result. Stating 20 Million was spent without the deal being concluded is a complete fabrication.

? What public battle with Peter Johnson? After Duncan was sold behind his back, Walter Smith gave the board an ultimatum? and very, very quickly the Hamperman sold up and rode off into the sunset. By all accounts BK mortgaged himself to the hilt to ensure stability and continuity in the control of the club. Embarrassing, or commendable?

? Getting the doorman to read out to the press that Kendall had left the club for the third time? Whoops! PJ was still chairman at the time.

? Another public battle this time with Paul Gregg dragging the sorry financial state the club was in through the national papers? BK?s fault? or Greg?s for his opportunism in the wake of Euro 2004 and the Rooney saga?

? "I wouldn?t sell Rooney for less than 50 million"? Spoken like the fan BK is. Sadly, the harsh reality of the situation is that the Barcodes bid for him a week before the transfer deadline, which alerted United. All attempts to retain Wayne ? make him club skipper, the highest paid player in the history of the club ? were rejected. The kid wanted to leave. He had no intention of signing a new contract, had just 18 months left on his existing one. The club HAD to take the money.

? After selling Rooney looking straight into the camera?s and saying "yes new signing?s are on the way". Window closed no new signings? More fabrication. Everyone knows the deal was done with just hours of the transfer deadline left ? no time at all to bring in new recruits.

? Fortress Sport Fund and Chris Samuelsson ? who is the real culprit here? Who failed to deliver? Samuelson, or BK?

? Ending Everton?s association with our home city? Tell that to Kirkby scousers.

? Keeping Blues in the dark about all aspects of the move? There was a ballot and information freely available.

I?m surprised you didn?t mention King?s Dock, Neil. What an open goal you missed!

Art
"by all accounts BK mortgaged Himself to the hilt" whose accounts are we talking about lad ?
The Rooney deal proved how out of his depth he was, The arl women on Greaty market fruit stalls woulda got a better price for the most sort after talent in the world, than BK got from the richest club in the world.
The fanbase is more divided than at any time in the clubs history - on BK’s watch
Try buying a ticket by dialing the club box office, then let me know how you feel when the phones are not manned but the games way short of a sell out come kick off time
Yes BK appointed Moysee, but only by taking the advice of a man he was ousting and believed wasnt good enough - luck or Judgement
Then you sneer at Neil for missing the opportunity of mentioning the Kings Dock, I think you’ll find it was such a monumental fuck up he didnt feel the need to mention it
I love whats happening on the pitch, but want better service all round off it too. you and the rest of the "mustnt grumble" brigade are the biggest obsticle to that

Moyes still #3 in my mind behind Kendall & Catterick.One thing I?ll have to admit the ship stayed on course in our relegation years fears through a untested Moyes and Bill biting his nails. I have to say that was a marvellous job of keeping us up with no money. Now the skys the limit we actually have built slow with a good mix of English lads at the helm. One thing you can say about Bill he bleeds blue he may not have deep pockets but he a huge fan and we are not a play thing for some foreign billionaire.

All the good work Moyes has done, will soon be undermined by the shenanigans of Kenwright, Fat Arse and Leahy.

Only one man will be responsible, he gave total loyaty to Leahy not the fans. Kenwright.

Neil - How the hell can you say they?ve kept us in the dark over Kirkby?! they? let us choose whether we moved or not, they?ve got a section on the website talking about it, we know who our backers are, we know the size, capacity and pretty much the price, wow lets rebel for them not owning a fucking timemachine

Dave... it has been widely reported on here and in the media just what financial hoops BK jumped through to secure the monies for the PJ buyout. My phrase ’by all accounts’ reflects that. Not being BK’s accountant, I can’t give you more detailed breakdown than that.

Why does the Rooney deal prove how out of his depth he was? I believe even now it is a world record fee for a teenager.

Now you throw in a few observations of your own. ’The fanbase is more divided than at any time in the clubs history’. I take it you are alluding to Kirkby. Yup! Passions run high on that one, but since the ballot (unprecedented in business practice, let alone football...) people are united in the core interest of EFC - the football. It is natural and understable that emotions run so high on the stadium issue. It is also perfectly understandable, IMO, that as the incumbent chairman of Everton Football Club that BK has to take really tough decisions into the present and future well-being of the club. And whilst there has been a lot of fierce rhetoric on the matter, I don’t hear of house-burnings, tar and feathering or hangings around the streets of the city...

Marketing and ticketing does seem to be an issue and needs improving.

Bit simplistic of you to believe that BK appointed Moyse ONLY on the advice of a man he had just sacked. Could I ask YOU... whose account are we talking about, la’ ... ?

Do I sneer at Neil for failing to mention the Kings Dock? I rather think I give him - and you, possibly - a stick to beat BK with.

At least we can agree that I too love what’s happening on the pitch. Don’t quite follow your comment though that I and the rest of the "mustnt grumble" brigade are the biggest obsticle to progress at the club. In my experience optimism serves you so much better than negativity and pessimism.

So... a pretty flimsy post by you all round really Dave.

Art why are your posts so fucking long, just get to the point, my aunty goes to a creative writing class, you should join one. All very well put but fuck me you need a sniff of charlie to keep yourself awake

Then... don’t read them. Stick to comic books.

Art

Not being BK’S accountant you cant give me any sort of breakdown let alone a detailed one, you merely embarress youself by making foolish stabs in the dark
read the details of the Rooney deal, Manure accountants are probaly still laughing
You dont hear of "house burnings, Tar and feathering or hangings in the city" ? you’ve been watching too many cowboy films lad, every day I hear life long blues saying they wont go to Kikby thats real - very real - division, however, there’ll be no riots, no fighting in the streets, just gutted sell outs, who’ll never admit they voted yes, when the Kirkby farce becomes the latest fuck up

Good service comes from possitive people like me who demand better
shite service is the result of negative people like you defending it and whining "theyre doing their best"
like I say you and the negative mustnt grumble brigade can feel very free to accept shite
us positive people never will

Dave are you trying to be ironic in your critiscm as you’re quite a negative person

Kenwright is dammed if he does or he dont due to the paranoid conspiracy heads.

He’s not the best but he certainly aint this despot that wants to ruin the club which some how the wackos have got into their head.

Art I have read them and to be honest, THERE FUCKING SHIT on and on and on just get to point man, BK is either a complete fool or he is ok and doing a decent job, why all these rambling posts, its not the Guardian it is a message board for retards like me

To be fair Mick Spider Man and Iron Man were the tits

Dave Wilson... nah! Check out a dictionary or thesarus as to the difference between pessimist and optimist, positive and negative.

Mick Mc... I bow down at your eloquence and insight.

Cheers Art

Dave Wilson and Neil Fitz I am with you 1000%.
Despite the improvements this year we?ve done nothing yet so Moyes who I think is a good average manager cannot compare to Kendall Catterick Royle and the previous mangers who won trophies with football that was admired the length and breadth of the country.
However as to Bullshit Billy the same people who now think the sun shines out of his arse were probably calling for a new board 6 months ago so at least we are consistent and base our views on factual history and performance rather than he?s a true blue.
One often missed point is how Johnson was paid 20million for his shares and miraculously Everton?d debt rose by 20 million at the same time - a not uncommon thing in company takeovers but it proves the point that BK ( who was and remains a really good friend of Johnson?s) did not put his hand in his own empty pockets>He even stuffed his then friend Paul Gregg who did nothing more than help his friend financially and then found out how incompetent he was at this game and wanted a change.The list goes on about his incompetence at best and cheating at worst but hey we are only realists and should "fuck off and support the RS" for wanting better.

Alan Kirwin you are right mate there are more important things in life and very sorry to hear about the loss of your loved ones.

We can agree to disagree but i cannot bring myself to have any respect for that man because he is the absolute pits in my opinion. What he has done and what he is still about to do to this club and you know what i’m referering to yes Kirkby. I’m not really going to go into one about the subject but the whole Kirkby debate was carefully minipulated by the board and they totally dismissed all possible alternatives and had no interest in listening to anybody that wasn’t in agreement with this deal. It stunk to high heavens. That aside all the best to you Alan and take it easy mate.

Art Greeth if you are going to make childish sarcastic remarks first read very carefully before you shout your mouth off. I never said Bill Kenwright was the Chairman when these incidents happened although he was for most I said he was on the board of Directors during these events which correct me if i’m wrong was all on his watch. Director, chairman it doesn’t make any difference these people are the top of the tree no???He has been just as responsible as anybody else on the board for these fuck up’s.

In reference to your statement that Kenwright has mortgaged himself to the hilt, so tell me when he decides to sell his stake in Everton are you telling me he won’t double his money??? While he’s done that and having a good laugh at our expense we’ll be stuck out in the country with a half empty stadium. What a legacy

Utterly bizarre.

Everton are fifth in the league, in two cups, have probably the most respected young manager in the British game, and the strongest squad for twenty years. Relative to most of our serious competitors (Arsenal and ManU excepted) we are not in continuous crisis, with crazy, ignorant, criminal or corrupt owners making their clubs embarrassing laughing stocks. Indeed we are very widely regarded now as one of the most stable and best run clubs in England. Our dear neighbours’ owners are publicly undermining their own manager, and are not even sure whether they can pay their debts, or whether they will sell up already.

But the Everton owner who has presided over all this, despite his mistakes (which of course he has made), is the pits and an absolute disgrace. And I suppose we should hope soon that he is replaced by an owner more like those of our fellow clubs?

Utterly bizarre.

Neil Pearse I think most Everton fans would have forgiven Kenwright for his previous mis-haps me included but the stadium outside of Liverpool was the final straw. The blame lies soley at his feet for this split in the fan base and it will only get worse.

Moyes is the main reason for the sucess at Everton lately and the players. Not Kenwright.

Neil? highlight any where in my reply to your list of ?wrongs? where I make childish sarcastic remarks. Show me where I shout my mouth off. Or is it simply that I expose your (false, IMO) charges against BK and you cannot counter them that irritates you?

Compare our posts. It isn?t me being childish, sarcastic, loud and offensive. But your last post reveals what REALLY pisses you off about Bill ? the stadium issue.

And should Bill ? heaven forbid! (irony warning, Neil?) ? sell up and double his money (or more) might it not be an indication of the perceived value any new owner places on the club and evidence that Bill has done a good job and made it a viable business? How hateful for you, eh??

But what does a namby-pamby, apologetic sycophant like me know, eh Neil??

Neil Fitz, spot on.
Neil Pearse, for some reason the fears of the no voters goes straight over your head. All you can see ahead is new stadium, 50,000 attendances, and silverwear. The no voters can only see disaster, and that will be down to one man only.
We all had the chance to make him look at other options but you lot blew it.

a few questions for arthur greet. is elvis still alive?? is there life after death?? was the moon landing faked ?? just thought i would ask as you seem to know absoloutely everthing there is to know about anything and eveything!

Art is more certain of everything than us mortals are about anything. He?s a Kenwright sycophant who sits safely tucked away in Portugal, knowing fuck all about the feelings of Blues in our city. Typical yes-man, condemned by his own spoutings as a prize, pretentious knob.

Compared to everyone else, Kenwright is a good fella to have as a chairman, there is no doubt!
But I must agree that if Kirkby goes through it will spell the end and that will not be down to 15,000 muppets but to just one man.

I can't believe what I?m reading. I would not trust Kenwright to tell me the time. No point in listing his crimes ? others before me have already done it. Just a point: if we got a new owner, why would it be like the despots already quoted? Surely St Bill would ensure it was sold to a honourable person.

Art alright maybe i’ve misinterepted what you saying in your response but i could be here all day countering your claims reagrding Kenwright and no your answers don’t frustrate only your lack of vision. It’s fact that Kenwright has lied through his teeth on numerous occasions FACT.

Kirkby is the final straw for most not just me. Sir John Moores must be turning in his grave.

John Moores hasn’t only turned in his grave he has risen and is on his was to see Bill right now! I wouldn’t trust Bill Kenwright to tell me the time. I hope I am wrong and he turns out to be the hero but on his past misdealings and lies I won’t hold hold my breath.

Hmm... a stream of angry rhetoric and personal insults, but nothing substantial to counter the views that I and others have expressed in this thread.

No... I don’t know everything, but I have an OPINION on many things - just like every other poster on here. And like every other poster on here, I have as equal a right as anyone to post.

Now I have no problem with any one posting what the hell they like on here, but if I perceive it as mistaken, I will - and do - challenge it. This is what I’ve done in this thread. How presumptious of me...

And from where I’m sat, nobody, but nobody, has countered my counter arguments re: BK.

Loud repitition of their original view - yes.
Petty name calling - yes.
False presumptions about me - yes.
But real engagement in honest debate - no.

Cummon guys. Back up your convictions with solid facts, not blinkered opinion.

Really, some of you should no a lot better than to come on here and be positive about Bill Kenwright.

There really isn’t alot of point because you know exactly what response you will get.

I for one will always be grateful to Bill for what he has achieved since the fall of the Johnson empire. If anybody bothers to compare the situation the club where in in 1999 and now, you will see the obvious improvements.

Nobody has said Bill is perfect (I am sure he is far from it), but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve any credit for anything.

He gave the EVerton job to a fairly inexperienced manager from the lower leagues (Ok he was recommended by Walter Smith, but so what, he didn’t have to do what Walter told him to did he?)

He stuck by Moyes when a section of supporters were calling for his head.

The club is now on a much firmer financial footing than it has been for a long time. Johnson gave Walter £20m to spend by borrowing the money and then needing to sell players within a few months to pay it back)

The club is 5th in the league, in 2 cups and widely regarded as one fo the most difficult places to play in the premiership and one of the best clubs outside the top 4.


Oh and for those who still rate Davey behind Joe Royle - ok joe won a cup but - Claus Thompsen, Earl Barrett, Marc Hottiger etc.
1 cup doesn’t make a great manager!

Is it not conceivable that Leahy and the Tesco board at the beginning of negotiations and before the smokescreen of a deal of exclusivity tied up Kenwright not to sell before any stadium is finalised.

We know through Bills snippetts of info he drops from time to time how long ago this started. Surely the most successful retail company in these isles can sucker a luvvie.

Therefore Everton Footlball club missed the boat on the new money and investors splashing around from after the latest TV deals.

No doubt Bil is sucking his thumb over this as much as we are sucking our thumbs over the move to Kirkby. Teaches the lying bastard a lesson.

The whole Kirkby thing will be his defining and lasting legacy. I can’t pretend to understand the politics of club leadership, nor can i state if or not the ends justify the means with the various meanderings...... and plain porkies that have accompanied BK’s tenure. Just as I’m sure he wouldn’t accept the blame if the team failed, I don’t believe he can accept too much kudos from DM’s relative successes. Moyes has done well despite the board, not because of them, he’s earned and generated everything starting on an absolute shoestring. On the stadium issue: the fact is Terry Leahy and Tescos turned the club’s head with an offer they thought they couldn’t refuse. The club has since been trying to convince everyone that this was the case. The fundamentally flawed Transport/Loop/redevelopment assessments, that have mysteriously materialised long after the vote all have glaring omissions that could not even be countered successfully by the board at the recent AGM. The cost to the club of the Kirkby proposals has fluctuated wildly from NOTHING to £50m, and now £80-100m+. Completely destroying the myth that redevelopment or the Loop were not deliverable, which was the principal campaign headline pre-vote. They committed to something without seriously considering the options, that is at the very least negligence, then to cover themselves they then asked our opinion based on the same ropey assertions.... Stadium for nothing, redevelopment undeliverable, transport utopia. When others dared to ask questions or say different they either plain ignored them or attempted to ridicule.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. If you want to give Bullshit Billy aka Billy Liar aka Kenwrong props for appointing Moyes, thats fine. But don’t be shocked when us people with memories that predate this season bring up the litany of sins on Billys watch.
Rooney sale - the lad wanted to leave. True. Billy also needed him to leave - hence the lack of photographs of Rooney in our merchandising catalogue that season, the cancellation of his family box, and the laughable leaking of the "highest paid player in our history" contract details. {A three year deal where the "highest paid" part kicked in at year three!}. Oh, and who leaked the Rooney in a brothel details to the press days before his departure?
Kings Dock. Fortress Funds. The holes in the accounts. The lack of accountability and blatant question dodging at the AGMS. I could go on, but you get the picture.
We’re doing alright football wise, but I’d argue thats more despite Kenwrong than because of him. Because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I think most fans like good ol’ Uncle Bill, he’s a lifelong blue who loves the club wholeheartedly - when you look at the alternatives other clubs have got we could certianly do a lot lot worse! He along with the rest of the gang at Everton are doing a great job - on ’n off the pitch.

Alan Kirwin. Do you honestly believe that once we leave Liverpool, we’ll get back in after a decade of success?

Was the word fuckwit used already?

Cheers James I missed that one.......

Alan Kirwin says:
"If we spent the next 5 years winning trophies, including at least one league title and going close in the champions league then, yes, in 2013 we might have a case for generating the cash to drive a new stadium closer to Liverpool city centre"

He starts with an admission that this is nothing like ideal, hence the ultimate desire to eventually push for a city centre site. What if we win nothing in Kirkby, and are then hamstrung by debts? What if the fans then stop going, fed up with the added inconvenience of a park and ride scheme that hasn’t even been shown to be viable, or of a pitiful public transport provision? What will are future prospects then be if our attendances crash and are forever considered the out of town club? How will this affect future generations of our city-based fans. Goodison Park exists, it is real, it’s ifs and buts can be resolved, we know how it works and that people can get there relatively easy..... It’s tried and tested to the tune of over 100 years. There are far more imponderables with Kirkby. They can’t/wont even tell us the final cost!

KEIOC !

I am suprised that you have not started to campaign for only Scousers playing in the team as well.

Goodison can?t be done and Kirby is up the road. Shut your stupid bleating mouths and grow up.

Rob, any need?

"Goodison can?t be done and Kirby is up the road. Shut your stupid bleating mouths and grow up."

Who is bleating? What an outburst, what does it really mean.... I voted YES so all please shut up now!? Of course GP can be redeveloped, a stadium already exists there, and several people including stadium architects have shown otherwise already. Kirkby is only a few miles away, but it undoubtedley less convenient, with less public transport, and it also sits beyond almighty bottle-necks that are not compensated for by any of the proposals...... hence the insistance on a Park and ride/walk scheme that requires over 100 buses/drivers when Merseytravel struggle to produce half a dozen for soccerbus. This is a 2 team city, what other business would desert the middle-ground, leaving it to his competitor? BTW I’m not a member of KEIOC, just a concerned Evertonian and Shareholder, and there were far more like me at the AGM! Shame you can’t respond to any of the points made.

Phil Redmond said that the Capital of Culture is all about bringing back trophies to Liverpool - Just like THE football team did with it’s 5 European Cups.

One city one football team.
Their plan is coming together.

Bill Kenwright has been given lots of stick over the years but I think he really should be given the credit as the man who has turned Everton around and made Everton a force once again. It was he who signed David Moyes... how many Evertonians can say they would have picked him? And he has stood by Moyes through thick and thin.

There have been many times over the last few years where the general consensus on ToffeeWeb was that Moyes should go. Unlike the Newcastle chairman, Bill didn't listen to the fans but backed his own judgement and look where we are now.

I agree that Bill is a pratt and I cringe whenever he makes a comment ? but history will show that he was the chairman who saved Everton. Yes he told us lies about potential investment but he has backed Moyes substantially in the transfer market and made funds available.

It wasn't long ago that Liverpool fans were delighted that they had new owners.... they didn't care who they were or what they believed in, all they were interested in was cold hard cash but now look at them. I for one am glad that Everton have a true blue in charge ? one of us ? who knows the traditions and history of the club, who stands by his man and will do everything within his power to make us successful again.