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One end of Croke Park here in Dublin is known as the Hill End, or Hill 16. The number comes from an uprising here in Dublin in 1916. The rubble from parts of the city was used as foundation for the stadium when it was being built soon afterwards.
Having the rubble built into into the Hill End for the last ninety odd years has meant that this part of the ground now holds a special place in Dublin supporters' hearts. Whenever there is a big championship game on in Croker, Dublin supporters make the Hill End their own and the passion is there for all to see.
Just to put it out there, how would Evertonians feel about having rubble from the demolition of Goodison used in the building of any new stadium. Would it make a difference to your view of the new ground? Would it make the place feel like the home of Everton FC? For myself I think it would help with the move away from Goodison.
I know to all of us this is something that is very close to the bone. To many, it may be a very morbid issue. But it's just that it's something I don't remember being on the website before and I'm just curious to see what you all think about this.
Kieran Fitzgerald, Posted 22/01/2008 at 19:13:48
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Peter Morris
2 Posted 22/01/2008 at 20:58:46
2 Posted 22/01/2008 at 20:58:46
Not a daft idea at all, Kieran. I?m with you!
Brian Law
3 Posted 22/01/2008 at 20:57:31
3 Posted 22/01/2008 at 20:57:31
Kieran- British troops murdered innocent Irish civilians/sportsman on 2 seperate occassions at Crowe Park so Hill 16 is a memorial to those slaughtered by the British.
It?s no where near the same.
Would never happen.
It?s no where near the same.
Would never happen.
Peter Pridgeon
4 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:14:54
4 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:14:54
Without getting into the English Irish conflict mostly because I am of mixed parentage anyway. I would like to point out, if Kirby is ever built, Everton will be playing at Goodison until Kirby is fully complete and then move, only then allowing the bulldozers to dismantle Goodison.
Unfortunately its really a non-starter, Kieran, but nice sentiments anyway.
Unfortunately its really a non-starter, Kieran, but nice sentiments anyway.
Mick Mac
5 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:25:45
5 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:25:45
You're right there Peter it is a nice idea and the new ground would have been built. But there is nothing stopping some of the rubble being laid to form a road leading up to the stadium. ?Goodison Way?
Mick Simo
6 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:29:16
6 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:29:16
End of Idea... trust an Irish fella to come up with that ? only joking mate, we can knock it down and start again in the city.
Kieran Fitzgerald
7 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:21:53
7 Posted 22/01/2008 at 21:21:53
Brian: of course it?s not the same. It would have been both ridiculous and amazing crass for me to have said it was. My only point was that having some of Goodison used in the building of any new home for Everton might soften the blow of moving from Goodison and also help to foster a new sense of belonging amongst fans.
Pat Domingo
8 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:28:37
8 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:28:37
Lovely idea Kieran.
Can we also use the old Anfield for the piss stones at Kirby as well?
Can we also use the old Anfield for the piss stones at Kirby as well?
Mark Joseph
9 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:37:15
9 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:37:15
Keiran, I’m taking my old fella, (a Wicklow man) over for the Brazil game on Feb 6th. Any decent ale ’ouses to head for before the game?
Mick Mac
10 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:42:44
10 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:42:44
Have you seen what that cheeky bastard Grant has said about Everton?
"We had just come from the second division and we won it against the best team in Israel so we were very happy. This is the reason I understand a team like Everton who are not used to taking trophies. Even minor trophies are very important to you."
"We had just come from the second division and we won it against the best team in Israel so we were very happy. This is the reason I understand a team like Everton who are not used to taking trophies. Even minor trophies are very important to you."
Kieran Fitzgerald
11 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:45:50
11 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:45:50
Mark Joseph. Near Croke Park you have Quinn?s and The Big Tree in Drumchondra. Both are landmark pubs so you can get directions easily enough from the city centre or as you approach the general area. It?s walking distance too to these pubs to and from the ground. Also they are the pubs the Croke Park crowds use so there should be some atmosphere.
Give me an idea of where you?re staying and if for more than just the night. I?ll let you know if there?s a decent pub near your accommodation that will suit what time you and your dad have.
Give me an idea of where you?re staying and if for more than just the night. I?ll let you know if there?s a decent pub near your accommodation that will suit what time you and your dad have.
Tom Hughes
12 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:35:24
12 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:35:24
Kieran, do you see the irony in citing an example of an old stadium completely redeveloped in situ, as a pointer to how we can lighten the impact of us not doing the same...? ;) Great stadium though, for many reasons. HOK involved too, with Canals and railways causing all kinds of problems..... What do they know eh? the fella from KSS would be saying "its madness Ted! "
Conor Feeney
13 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:48:03
13 Posted 22/01/2008 at 22:48:03
Kieran, I see where you’re coming from but I think there’s little comparison. Croke Park is a national stadium and 1916 was a national rising so the Dublin reference is a bit off. (although it is well known for their fans I agree) it has always been popular amongst fans of all counties as the only terrace in the redeveloped stadium.
In fact you wouldn’t have seen Dublin fans there on All-Ireland final day since 1995 because they haven’t been back there since.
1995 - why does that ring a bell for a final ???/ (The Dubs won that day too !)
Mark, Loads of pubs within a 5/10 minute walk of Croker, as it is very centrally located in Dublin - only 15 mins walk from O’Connell Street. Most pubs are pretty good on match days, Fagans or Kennedys in Drumcondra would be busy or Meaghers or Gaffneys in Fairview. The Big Tree or Quinns are two of the closest but get so packed they’re not worth it in my opinion.
Kieran prob has his own ideas or suggestions ?
Lets not forget that arrogant article on the Chelski website and make sure they get a welcome and a half tomorrow night. COYB !
In fact you wouldn’t have seen Dublin fans there on All-Ireland final day since 1995 because they haven’t been back there since.
1995 - why does that ring a bell for a final ???/ (The Dubs won that day too !)
Mark, Loads of pubs within a 5/10 minute walk of Croker, as it is very centrally located in Dublin - only 15 mins walk from O’Connell Street. Most pubs are pretty good on match days, Fagans or Kennedys in Drumcondra would be busy or Meaghers or Gaffneys in Fairview. The Big Tree or Quinns are two of the closest but get so packed they’re not worth it in my opinion.
Kieran prob has his own ideas or suggestions ?
Lets not forget that arrogant article on the Chelski website and make sure they get a welcome and a half tomorrow night. COYB !
Phil Roberts
14 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:05:55
14 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:05:55
So I assume the rubble from GP would be built upon with the new stadium.
That would therefore require the old ground to be knocked down before the new one could be built
and in the meantime we would play our games at ....................... (please fill in the blank as I have no idea) And don?t say we can start knocking down GP in May and the new one will be ready for the next season
Daft Idea,
But Pat Domingo - love your idea - - revenge is a dish best served cold. They have been doing it to us for the last few years, we can do it to them for the rest of eternity
That would therefore require the old ground to be knocked down before the new one could be built
and in the meantime we would play our games at ....................... (please fill in the blank as I have no idea) And don?t say we can start knocking down GP in May and the new one will be ready for the next season
Daft Idea,
But Pat Domingo - love your idea - - revenge is a dish best served cold. They have been doing it to us for the last few years, we can do it to them for the rest of eternity
Kieran Fitzgerald
15 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:08:16
15 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:08:16
Tom Hughes: Agree 100%. Redevelopment can and does obviously work. I read somewhere that when Arsenal were designing the Emirates, they came over for a look and were very impressed with the ground. Utd apparently redeveloped Old Trafford in such a way that extra seating could be added again in time to each stand/part of the ground without putting extra pressure on the existing support structure.
Conor Feeney: Bit of a silly thing to mention the rising at all( Brian Law I say that to yourself also) but it was the only thing of I could think of to help get my point across. I just hope that you understand there was no disrespect meant by it.
You could be right about the two pubs I mentioned, they do get jammed. Mark Joseph, do get back on if you get a chance. If not then add something to the bulletin board closer to the game and I?ll get back to you.
Conor Feeney: Bit of a silly thing to mention the rising at all( Brian Law I say that to yourself also) but it was the only thing of I could think of to help get my point across. I just hope that you understand there was no disrespect meant by it.
You could be right about the two pubs I mentioned, they do get jammed. Mark Joseph, do get back on if you get a chance. If not then add something to the bulletin board closer to the game and I?ll get back to you.
Andrew Richards
16 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:50:12
16 Posted 22/01/2008 at 23:50:12
Nice idea, put some of the existing ground underneath the pitch in Kirkby. It can’t do any harm, and I for one would ’feel the history’ when I’m sitting in my nice new seat looking out from my unobstructed view, cheering on my team (all the better for the increased revenue) in our nice new stadium.
Who knows I might even upgrade to a shiny new lounge and have a glass of wine and a meal before I watch my Blues.
That would probably make me a traitor, but then again my season ticket has always involved a 4 hour round trip to Goodison!
Kirkby will make it 3 hours, so bring it on!
If I lived within two miles of the ’Old Lady’, I’d be moaning like fuck too, I really would.
Having to jump a cab to see the love of your life, it’s a disgrace!
Where the fuck do you jokers work?
Ever heard of travelling?
Who knows I might even upgrade to a shiny new lounge and have a glass of wine and a meal before I watch my Blues.
That would probably make me a traitor, but then again my season ticket has always involved a 4 hour round trip to Goodison!
Kirkby will make it 3 hours, so bring it on!
If I lived within two miles of the ’Old Lady’, I’d be moaning like fuck too, I really would.
Having to jump a cab to see the love of your life, it’s a disgrace!
Where the fuck do you jokers work?
Ever heard of travelling?
Abbie Sanger
17 Posted 22/01/2008 at 18:07:41
17 Posted 22/01/2008 at 18:07:41
*** Archived *** - MK
DNP: How about a little song! Dont Blame it on the Hicksy, Dont Blame it on the Gillett, Dont Blame it on the Gerrard, Blame it on the Rafa, He just cant, He just cant, He just cant control his team!
Tom Hughes
18 Posted 23/01/2008 at 12:46:25
18 Posted 23/01/2008 at 12:46:25
Andrew,
I work worldwide (but mainly North sea lately), I always have to fly to my place of work. What is the relevance?
You have finally admitted your main motive for choosing Kirkby..... Your fed up negotiating the city’s streets. I suggest you think again, Park and ride Utopias can be a bit of let down. I also suggest you consider the merits of the club with the largest walk-up in the league staying close to that core support, theses fill several stands and not a few rows here and there, and we will need all of them to attend Kirkby and many more besides to stop it from crippling us with debt.
Again, it’s ironic that you choose to air your view on a thread about a stadium that was redeveloped in situ, with major obstacles, and under the guidance of HOK.
(apologies to Ed, I couldn’t resist, I promise I’m in semi-mode now ;) COYB)
I work worldwide (but mainly North sea lately), I always have to fly to my place of work. What is the relevance?
You have finally admitted your main motive for choosing Kirkby..... Your fed up negotiating the city’s streets. I suggest you think again, Park and ride Utopias can be a bit of let down. I also suggest you consider the merits of the club with the largest walk-up in the league staying close to that core support, theses fill several stands and not a few rows here and there, and we will need all of them to attend Kirkby and many more besides to stop it from crippling us with debt.
Again, it’s ironic that you choose to air your view on a thread about a stadium that was redeveloped in situ, with major obstacles, and under the guidance of HOK.
(apologies to Ed, I couldn’t resist, I promise I’m in semi-mode now ;) COYB)
Mark Joseph
19 Posted 23/01/2008 at 16:11:35
19 Posted 23/01/2008 at 16:11:35
Keiran,
We are stopping near to Busaras/Amien Street
We are stopping near to Busaras/Amien Street
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1 Posted 22/01/2008 at 20:53:16