WE should have had a 1-0 win if not for the stupid linesman. How was AJ offside when Vaughan played him through? He was only offside when Vaughan made the initial header but wasn't involved in the play. If we miss out on Champs League through this we should riot!!!
Now I'm off back to bed with that off my chest as its 4am here.
David Moore, Posted 02/02/2008 at 16:56:43
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1 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:08:05
Penalty not given, perfectly legitimate goal not given.
I am fed up with FIFA and the English FA. TV technology, what so difficult?
2 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:13:34
3 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:19:12
He was a cunt all game and the incident with Arteta probably made him even worse when the ref over-ruled him and Arteta was in his face.
Ah well, back to normal then in that we don?t seem to get the important game-changing decisions.
How we never got the pen either when the defender just booted Johnson?s legs out from under him I have no idea.
4 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:20:19
Lets not forget Should have had a red card for his handball in the first half!
I just can’t take it anymore..
5 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:22:10
Fellow blues the reason they do not want TV replay is because SKY and satanta and the FA would not be able to get away with these screw jobs.
6 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:24:40
I think you got it wrong - we delivered the goods with perfect goal and it was rulled out, what were the chances of another last minute disallowed goal. We?ve done to win it and we were robbed and right now I am mad about it.
7 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:26:33
8 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:29:55
9 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:32:01
10 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:40:56
Reading the BBC and SkySports match reviews, both felt that Everton dominated the game, but a "controversial decision" denied them a goal in the end.
So near, yet so far.....
11 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:07:58
Apart from Dunn playing INTENTIONALLY volleyball and not being yellow-red carded, and another strong penalty shout turned down this time we were denied well deserved perfect goal. I am really fed up and not buying into the cliché that the things are evening themselves up in the long run, we were robbed once again and lost precious points in the battle for 4th.
Well done to DM and boys but I am afraid that its not in our hands whether we will finish 4th.
12 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:49:09
13 Posted 02/02/2008 at 17:59:41
Can you lot actually hear yourselves. You come onto this website and talk about wanting to be big time, about having lofty ambitions for Everton, about how you want Everton to be the best thing that ever happened to football, and yet when things don?t go our way you spout this paranoid nonsense. You?ll sneer at Tony Marsh, wet youselves laughing at Richard Dodd, and yet you?ll think it?s fine to post this drivel.
You?ll probably tell me now I?m either a wanker or a red shite in disguise. Fine. For what it?s worth I do think that referees and linesmen need the back up of technology, and simply because they?re prone to human error. All those media pundits who were once players are exactly that, ex football players. Not rocket scientists, not Jeramy Paxman or Bamber Gascoigne, not all dyed-in-the-wool Evertonians. Just ex-players looking to work a cushy number. The big four are the clubs that raise the profile of the English game abroad the highest. They will always be favoured a little because of that by the FA, but only for that reason. Not because they?re all free masons, or play out of the same golf courses, or because they want to keep us and Blackburn and Spurs and all the other plebs and scummers down.
Get a grip folks.
14 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:25:31
Never mind the cheating/stupid linesmen and referees...we kept another clean sheet...Pienaar is back and hopefully will be ready to play next week...COYB!!!
15 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:24:11
16 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:34:26
Are you having a laugh?
17 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:37:38
The big four are the clubs that raise the profile of the English game abroad the highest. They will always be favoured a little because of that by the F.A,
Sorry Kieran, I though it should be a level playing field but when you put it that way... I guess we just have to eat this sh*t and wait for another to be served
18 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:35:42
Perhaps you are a masochist that revels in our club getting fucked over big style!? As a club I am confident we will rise above the injustices and claim top 4 inspite of the handicaps imposed by incompetent officials. However, that does not mean we should not take exception to being shafted, whether intentional or not. NSNO should apply to officiating too you know, hence the need for technology that is readily employed successfully already in sports less popular and monied than the Barclays Premier League.
19 Posted 02/02/2008 at 19:07:38
20 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:49:55
Stefan: If we play a Uefa Cup game on a Thursday night, we get to play our league game on the Sunday, not the Saturday. That?s prefential treatment right there. But ask an Evertonian why we get it and you?ll be told that it?s only right because: A) we?ve had to travel back from some European backwater and need the extra day?s rest. Fair play to the FA for moving the fixture; and B) because we?re promoting the English game abroad in a respectable creditable way and deserve the nod to it that the FA gives by way of moving the fixture. Don?t be a hypocrite and complain about favouratism when we?re getting it ourselves.
Michael Hunt: incompetent officials I will refer to them as, that?s why introducing technology is important. I agree that we shouldn?t have to take being shafted by incompetence but that wasn?t the point of my post. I get annoyed by the accusations of biased officiating and conspiracy theries. That?s what I was railing against.
21 Posted 02/02/2008 at 19:23:51
Who is speaking about Thursday games?!?
"The big four are the clubs that raise the profile of the English game abroad the highest. They will always be favoured a little because of that by the FA..."
By stating that the Big clubs should be favoured by the officials FFS (and get appologies when they get/dont get decisions in their way), you are actually promoting "Sky 4" as sub-culture, "THE INVISIBLE ELLITE"
22 Posted 02/02/2008 at 19:47:03
Does not that statement in itself allude to biased officiating? I don?t think there is a major conspiracy against Everton but history tells us that referees are not totally impartial , eg , Mike Riley?s comments about Duncan Ferguson when being brought on as a sub; the "Clattenburg derby" and his trip abroad with Liverpool... you know I could go on . I know all teams have dodgy decisions against them but some more than others and I?ll think you might find Sir Alex gets less than most, as does Wenger. In fact Sir Alex gets 10 minutes extra time if they?re 1 - 1 at home and on the attack, his watch is infamous!
TV technology would not have given us a goal today as they?re only planning to use it for "did the ball cross the line?" incidents . The assistant referee should be brought to task for this game more than Wylie, his decision to signal for a thrown in to blackburn when Arteta had his legs taken from under him when feet away from the incident is the worst decidion I?ve seen, at least Wylie overruled him.
Lets have a level playing field,.. please!
23 Posted 02/02/2008 at 18:54:04
24 Posted 02/02/2008 at 20:42:37
The team are playin really well. i think vaughany should be selected up front with johnson as his introduction made a huge impact on the game. Johnson took advantage of his three knock-ons within 5 minutes.
25 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:01:15
We deserved that 3 pts today which would really have sickend the teams just below us - and we got robbed by an awful decision.
Great work by James Vaughan and excellent finish by Andy Johnson.
26 Posted 02/02/2008 at 20:46:41
What I meant was that the CL is a very high-value, high-profile competition. The football eyes of Europe are on it and how the teams of each country do in it tends to be seen as a reflection of how that country runs the game domestically. If an English team won the CL for each of the next ten seasons then, rightly or wrongly, the English game would be seen as being very healthy and very well ran. Do you not think that it would be in the interest then of the FA to give that little extra in terms of support to it?s teams competing in the CL?
Even though it is a much lesser competition I think that the FA does extend that same support to the clubs competing in the Uefa Cup. I don?t think this support manifests itself in allowing the top four to cheat at will, or do what they want.
I do not think either that the FA would offer the support to the detriment of other teams. I mean, do you really think that they would be as blatant as to tell referees to make sure that Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea get every single break in every single game? Do you really think that the FA would tell it?s referees to ignore blatant handballs, crude tackles, and yellow and red card offences in order to give the top four an edge over everyone else? I for one don?t.
I do think that referees now see themselves being above the law themselves, given that the FA are too cowardly to challange them on anything.
27 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:14:50
However, your subsequent posts just hold you up to ridicule, hypocrisy and contradiction.
Just what the beefburger are you on about when you spout: "the CL is a very high value, high profile competition. The football eyes of Europe are on it and how the teams of each country do in it tends to be seen as a reflection of how that country runs the game domestically... Do you not think that it would be in the interest then of the F.A to give that little extra in terms of support to it?s teams competing in the CL. Even though it is a much lesser competition I think that the F.A does extend that same support to the clubs competing in it. I don?t think this support manifests itself in allowing the top four to cheat at will, or do what they want."
I’m not a very bright boy, I’m the first to admit, but just what are your implying, FFS???!!!
Give it a rest Keiran... you are burying yourself in spades, lad...
28 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:22:23
29 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:38:40
30 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:56:31
31 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:33:40
The joke of it is that the linesman will get away with this. Referees get demoted when they have a shocker. What happens to linesmen?? Does anybody even know who this linesman is?
And I bet on match of the day tonight this is blamed on the old classic "grey area" that is the offside rule! Every fan knows the offside rules by now, is it too much to expect that the linesman reads the rule book before officiating a football match? The FA need to make linesmen accountable for their mistakes and maybe they would start interpreting the rules in the way they were meant, i.e., to stop goals being ruled out for an offside decision relating to a player who is NOT INTERFERRING WITH PLAY!!!
32 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:50:54
33 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:58:47
that?s the point we cant say every time shit happens, because every fucking time we are on the receiving end. We have to voice our frustration and hope to get fair treatment in future
If you review all the wrong decision being made this season you will find that "Sky 4" are being favoured in more than 70% of the controversial situations against other teams and thus getting clear advantage and gaining Illegal points.
Its hard enough trying to catch them, given their financial resources and when you add the referee help they get its almost impossible.
There is some fair play table with the controversial decisions being called right (can someone help me with link)So far we were clearly rubbed by at least 3 points (Liverpool & Rovers) and Liverpool gained 2 ineligible points from us and now instead of being 5 clear we are facing Sisyphus battle for 4th.
34 Posted 02/02/2008 at 21:36:37
The team,with the exceptions of Manny and Osman, were absolutely brilliant today. AJ was first rate against a couple of brutally clumsy centre-backs, Jags and Lescott were supreme. Once Manny finds his feet again he will surely be a larger influence.
You can complain (with some justification) that Moyesie once again fucked up with the timing of his substitution; one thing that can't be doubted, however, is the motivational skills of the man. This is a team we should all be mighty proud of. COYB!!!
35 Posted 02/02/2008 at 22:37:52
They are not telling them, they are doing it ? ?blatant handballs? ? see no further than Liverpool-Sunderland; crude tackles ? why do I think about certain Mr. Kuyt ; yellow and red card offences ? again step up Mr. Gerrard referee-consultant; worst I can even reckon rules being changed to suit our lovable neighbours.
36 Posted 02/02/2008 at 23:32:19
37 Posted 02/02/2008 at 23:50:14
38 Posted 02/02/2008 at 23:53:41
We wuz robbed - absolutley....
39 Posted 03/02/2008 at 00:05:11
I can?t get over how consistent our performances have been compared to recent seasons. What a pleasure to see us batter teams away from GP. We are most definitely pointed in the direction of the promised land.
Goddamnit, is Lescott any good, or what? He?s Bobby Moore with a scar on his head instead of his jewels.
40 Posted 03/02/2008 at 00:29:28
Also, what a wanker Sparky is moaning about McCarthy not being awarded a penalty. You would think he would look at the incident again first and see that he slipped!! Although saying that, he also said disallowing the goal was the only decision the ref got right all day!!! Embarrassing!!
41 Posted 03/02/2008 at 00:25:12
42 Posted 03/02/2008 at 01:05:19
At the time Vaughan plays the ball across to him there are THREE Blackburn players between him and the goal. Whichever way you slice it, it was a fucking awful decision and we have been robbed of two points which, on balance, we deserved. The worst part of it is that we just have to accept it; there?s fuck all we can do but gripe.
43 Posted 03/02/2008 at 01:46:26
44 Posted 03/02/2008 at 01:45:19
I think that and I am convinced that these decision only go against the "cheeky upstarts that are trying to replace the high and mighty top four". I can best my last penny with you that the Sky 4 will always have that goal given under the same circumstances, unless they are playing against each other.
And the response to Stefan regarding preferential treatment just shows that you are a wind up merchant trying to get a reaction here. That is definitely NOT preferential treatment to us, that is call FAIR. If you insist that is preferential treatment, then it is, for all the teams in the league who have a mid week match.
As I said earlier, if you have not watched the match, it’s better you keep your mouth firmly shut and your fingers off the keyboard because you DIDN’T see what happened.
45 Posted 03/02/2008 at 01:38:25
When Johnson won a free kick just outside the box (about 20 min into the 2nd half) which Arteta placed placed well wide of the short side, Arteta and Baines had been standing over the ball. I was a little dismayed that the new boy didn?t get a crack at it. The position of the ball favored the lefty for one thing. I just had a feelin? at that moment that it was coming, y?know?
Baines came to sudden prominence a while back after scoring two or three long-range wonder goals in pretty quick succession. You would think that, on a club with a dearth of threats from outside the box, Everton would be salivating at the prospect of what he might be able to do from a dead ball situation. Oh well...
I wonder if, in that situation, it?s as simple as Arteta saying something like "Fuck you, man. I run the free kick business around here." Probably.
No offense intended to Mikel or anything...but Baines was gonna put that in...
46 Posted 03/02/2008 at 02:18:18
To clarify the offside situation:
In the first phase of play, Johnson was in an offside position but was not actively going for the ball... NOT offside. Vaughan wins 50/50 ball with Friedel, first phase of play is over and we now enter second phase.
In the second phase of play, Friedel is further ahead of Johnson when Vaughan makes contact with the ball BUT in between Friedel and his goal-line, he has two team-mates (one looks level with Johnson and the other is clearly behind), therefore Johnson is NOT offside. I?m pretty sure the referee?s assistant ruled offside for the second phase of play.
Just to add, the foul on Johnson in the box was a stonewall penalty.
47 Posted 03/02/2008 at 07:34:44
Look at all the decisions that have gone against us when the rs need a helping hand. The cowards at the FA should investigate!!
48 Posted 03/02/2008 at 08:51:28
On the bright side there were plenty of positives to take from the game not the least of which was Lescott’s performance (I call him Mr Incredible) :)
Also Andy Johnson’s contribution - who said he couldn’t finish?
This group of players believes in itself. The rest of the lads will be back soon - I’m feeling very optimistic. COTB
49 Posted 03/02/2008 at 09:43:06
50 Posted 04/02/2008 at 16:03:07