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For some reason I have been in e.mail correspondence with Keith Hacket, chief of the refs, ever since the Clattenburg debacle. He is kind enough to reply to my litany of complaints!
On yesterday's events I got this: "Andy Johnson should have got a penalty and the goal was not offside. David Moyes has every right to be annoyed, so am I when our officials make honest mistakes".
However Keith calls my conspiracy views about the Rich 4 "nonsense". Well you can't have everything. I suppose at least it means that the officials from yesterday might be getting a bit of an earful. Doesn't bring us the extra two points unfortunately.
Neil Pearse, Posted 03/02/2008 at 22:14:35
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Peter Bourke
2 Posted 04/02/2008 at 04:27:24
2 Posted 04/02/2008 at 04:27:24
Great. Makes me feel worse hearing this.
2 nil should have been the score.
Bring on the Video Ref as they do in Rugby League. A quick 1 minute look at a replay and the officials could have got it right FFS.
Instead of praising the team and saying how well we played everyone is looking for answers as to why we haven?t scored many goals lately.
Why can?t we get the rub of the green for once. Poor Andy is being used as a crash test dummy by the opposition and the officials are having a laugh.
2 nil should have been the score.
Bring on the Video Ref as they do in Rugby League. A quick 1 minute look at a replay and the officials could have got it right FFS.
Instead of praising the team and saying how well we played everyone is looking for answers as to why we haven?t scored many goals lately.
Why can?t we get the rub of the green for once. Poor Andy is being used as a crash test dummy by the opposition and the officials are having a laugh.
David Moore
3 Posted 04/02/2008 at 05:06:43
3 Posted 04/02/2008 at 05:06:43
What is his email. I want to mail him to ask if he can send out an apology saying we were robbed. And that the assistant ref in question should have been "sent for a holiday"
Peter Corcoran
4 Posted 04/02/2008 at 07:22:21
4 Posted 04/02/2008 at 07:22:21
Officials make mistakes, we all do. But in two games against LFC and Blackburn we have lost 5 points, which means we could be 9 points head of LFC - they are expensive mistakes to make.
Charlie Dimmock
5 Posted 04/02/2008 at 07:12:20
5 Posted 04/02/2008 at 07:12:20
It will be interesting to see if any of the officials from Ewood Park on Saturday are not required to officiate in the next few weeks. If so, is this not a de facto admission that they have made errors?
Tony Part
6 Posted 04/02/2008 at 08:49:41
6 Posted 04/02/2008 at 08:49:41
I have never understood and never will understand why on earth they cannot just re-arrange a replayed match between the two clubs when such a gross in-justice has happened in a match that has been created by the officials..The F.A are big enough to keep changing the bloody off-side rule which is now bordering on stupidity as nobody left in the game knows when a player is or is not off-side anymore so the powers that be should say to be fair to the teams that get blatantly robbed of the points then they should get the match replayed..In any other sport where there is such a in-justice it is always rectified..
Gavin Ramejkis
7 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:01:54
7 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:01:54
Perhaps more important than a reply agreeing it was a mistake would be..........and I’m going to get off my backside and do this about it. A lipservice acknowledgment it was a mistake is meaningless without action.
Michael Hunt
8 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:08:12
8 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:08:12
Well Done Neil,
You should send it to the powers that be at Goodison and suggest that, on behalf of the people of the ?Peoples Club?, they should intelligently highlight our injustices in an open letter to the head of the FA, Premier League and FIFA. Something along the lines of:
In accordance with the numerous injustices that we have sufferred, which have cost us numerous points (and therefore possibly many millions in lost revenue from league placing and/or CL qualification), we have faith that in future the authorities will be sure to pay close attention to us not sufferring these grave injustices for the remainder of the season. Indeed, with only Everton and Aston Villa not having been awarded a penalty, plus other the incorrect ruled out certain or likely goals, we have faith that the ?luck? will even itself out from now on.
With all the money in the game now, I?m sure there is a legal case in forcing the powers that be to use video replay technology or make them pay compensation (or at least reply games) when the likes of Collina, Clattenburg and Wiley (and/or ?assistant referees?) get important decisions wrong.
You should send it to the powers that be at Goodison and suggest that, on behalf of the people of the ?Peoples Club?, they should intelligently highlight our injustices in an open letter to the head of the FA, Premier League and FIFA. Something along the lines of:
In accordance with the numerous injustices that we have sufferred, which have cost us numerous points (and therefore possibly many millions in lost revenue from league placing and/or CL qualification), we have faith that in future the authorities will be sure to pay close attention to us not sufferring these grave injustices for the remainder of the season. Indeed, with only Everton and Aston Villa not having been awarded a penalty, plus other the incorrect ruled out certain or likely goals, we have faith that the ?luck? will even itself out from now on.
With all the money in the game now, I?m sure there is a legal case in forcing the powers that be to use video replay technology or make them pay compensation (or at least reply games) when the likes of Collina, Clattenburg and Wiley (and/or ?assistant referees?) get important decisions wrong.
Tony Part
9 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:07:22
9 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:07:22
Well it seems to me that everyone at Everton needs to get tough..Ok Moyes has had a bash at the refferees but I think the best way to get them back would be to start telling Andy Johnson to con his way to win penalties..Lets make no mistake football is not like snooker,its not a gentlemans sport and for being honest after these last two seasons AJ must now start conning refs to win spot-kicks..Every time he goes down in the box when he is fouled he just bounces back up and makes it easy for the ref and also the defender knows he can get away with this because it Andy Johnson and he gets awarded nothing ever..There will be no apology from anyone at the F.A just as there will be no explaination as to why Wayne Rooney can get away with going up to the refferee every match and giving him some of the worst verbal you see with his face full of hate but because its Wayne Rooney the media darling he never ever gets a red card..Look at McFadden last season,one word at Poll and he is in the early bath..We need foreign refferees in the Premier League..We need officials who do not favour one club over the other and who are not driven on by the top 4 un-touchables and it does exist lets not kid ourselves..The only two penalties Everton have been awarded this season have been in the UEFA cup..We have not had a spot-kick in the league this season..Disgraceful..You know its bad when you cannot really think of a good refferee staright off hand anymore..I used to think Clattenburg was good until this season..At least two years ago Phil Dowd had the guts to send Gerrard off at Anfield in the derby for two bookable offences,how many refs would have done that?
Charlie Dimmock
10 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:23:02
10 Posted 04/02/2008 at 09:23:02
Why are referees not obliged to explain their decisions? I notice that Old Mother Riley refused to speak to camera on Saturday.
Mark Stone
11 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:28:58
11 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:28:58
I’ve thought that for years, and didn’t Stubbs ask the same thing after the derby? Managers and players all have to answer to the camera’s - why don’t the referee’s?
Emil Mathias
12 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:36:13
12 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:36:13
I am still fuming at Mike Riley. The man is a utter tool.
The RS might be upset about the yankee owners of the club not being on their side, but at least they don?t have the refs against them ? that?s a point against them and now 2 more against Blackburn (other big rivals for Europe, I may add) that we have been robbed.
If it wasn?t for those 2 howlers we would have 4th spot sewn up by now!
The RS might be upset about the yankee owners of the club not being on their side, but at least they don?t have the refs against them ? that?s a point against them and now 2 more against Blackburn (other big rivals for Europe, I may add) that we have been robbed.
If it wasn?t for those 2 howlers we would have 4th spot sewn up by now!
Joe Clitherow
13 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:38:42
13 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:38:42
Fair enough Mike Riley is a twat, but I don’t think even he can blamed for ALAN WILEY and his assistant’s performance at Blackburn on Saturday.....
Anj Stamos
14 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:37:01
14 Posted 04/02/2008 at 10:37:01
Tony Part, I AGREE with you completely about bringing in foreign refs. Its plain for all to see that a number of refs ?favour? the ?big ie rich4?, and dont anybody deny this, its as plain as a scone. The standard of the refs & linesman has become so bad its comical. If we were one of the ?big ie rich4? do you think that bad decisions will go against us? I think not ! Bringing in foreign refs will eliminate the bias that these sub-standard refs display week-in week-out once and for all and make it a fairer comp for ALL teams in the epl and not just for the ?chosen ones?. If all leagues around the world adopt this, it would be a revelation.
Stefan Tosev
15 Posted 04/02/2008 at 11:28:19
15 Posted 04/02/2008 at 11:28:19
I just saw the highlights of Portsmouth-Chelsea - you can clearly see the different standards being used.
Blatant deliberate handball by Belletti inside the box - no penalty. Anelka - 5 yards "inactive" offside and then scores - goal given;
?Sky4? darlings are not favoured only by The Media but also from the referees. I am still mad about Saturday and the way we were robbed
Blatant deliberate handball by Belletti inside the box - no penalty. Anelka - 5 yards "inactive" offside and then scores - goal given;
?Sky4? darlings are not favoured only by The Media but also from the referees. I am still mad about Saturday and the way we were robbed
Damian Wilde
16 Posted 04/02/2008 at 12:37:39
16 Posted 04/02/2008 at 12:37:39
Some good points on here. I can?t say I have much respect for Hackett though. What will actually happen to Wiley and his asiistants? Like all the others - probably nothing. That?s what is annoying. Yes, they will make mistakes, they are human, but Hackett always bangs on about how they are asessed, etc., but they are all constantly crap and nothing happens to them.
Other good points made, are about refs not speaking to the media. Managers and players do every week. People would have so much more respect for them if they came out, explained themselves and aplogised. But they don?t. Cowards
We expect a few mistakes, but some of them are so bad and they happen so frequently. It just makes everyone feel so frustrated!! This could cost us
As for Riley, he deserves any stick anyone throws at him; they?re all knobs!! Here?s hoping we get someone who knows what they?re doing on Sat!
Other good points made, are about refs not speaking to the media. Managers and players do every week. People would have so much more respect for them if they came out, explained themselves and aplogised. But they don?t. Cowards
We expect a few mistakes, but some of them are so bad and they happen so frequently. It just makes everyone feel so frustrated!! This could cost us
As for Riley, he deserves any stick anyone throws at him; they?re all knobs!! Here?s hoping we get someone who knows what they?re doing on Sat!
Jos Bailey
17 Posted 04/02/2008 at 12:37:50
17 Posted 04/02/2008 at 12:37:50
Here’s how the table should look
http://www.rightresult.net/
Notice that the Sky 4 have got 10 more points than they should have
http://www.rightresult.net/
Notice that the Sky 4 have got 10 more points than they should have
Stefan Tosev
18 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:33:47
18 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:33:47
Jos,
No points for guessing who are the big winners
No points for guessing who are the big winners
Steve Lynch
19 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:34:13
19 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:34:13
Did you ask Hackett about Why Dunn wasn’t sent off too?
Personally I don’t agree with silly bookings for things like his deliberate handball but it the FA that comes up with these rules and those rules state that deliberate handball should be a booking.
Dunn went on to clear Jagielka’s effort of the line!
Personally I don’t agree with silly bookings for things like his deliberate handball but it the FA that comes up with these rules and those rules state that deliberate handball should be a booking.
Dunn went on to clear Jagielka’s effort of the line!
Marcus Dawson
20 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:35:55
20 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:35:55
Like everyone else I?m sick and tired of key decisions going against us in games, but I imagine most fans feel the same, did anyone hear Mark Hughes bemoaning their failure to be awarded a penalty?
I don?t buy the line that things even out over a season, there?s a more serious issue regarding the fallability of officials and football needs to come up with a solution, given how much is at stake financially. In the meantime, moaning gets us nowhere and simply reinforces the ?bitters? view, we should make sure these miscarraiges galvanises players, supporters and management to come back stronger. We shall prevail.
I don?t buy the line that things even out over a season, there?s a more serious issue regarding the fallability of officials and football needs to come up with a solution, given how much is at stake financially. In the meantime, moaning gets us nowhere and simply reinforces the ?bitters? view, we should make sure these miscarraiges galvanises players, supporters and management to come back stronger. We shall prevail.
Patty Beesley
21 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:49:13
21 Posted 04/02/2008 at 13:49:13
Blackburn should not have had a penalty - it was very evident that Benni McCarthy slipped.
John Talbot
22 Posted 04/02/2008 at 14:27:36
22 Posted 04/02/2008 at 14:27:36
If Wiley and the clown who ran the line had given the penalty for the blatant body check on Johnson I’m sure he would have evened it up in favour of McCarthy thats how bad they were on the day and to deny that goal summed up their performance. They should be stood down with that goon Clattenburg for the remainder of the season
John Lloyd
23 Posted 04/02/2008 at 17:46:07
23 Posted 04/02/2008 at 17:46:07
Fuming, still fuming. Pure joke!
But was this injustice deemed a story on sky or bbc?? No, cos we are unfashionable and our players dont chase referees 50 yards to get in thier face or our manager is not spitting venom from the touchline. We just get on with it, well screw that from now on, I want that mentality from the players & club where if we dont get a decision we should piss & moan about it till we get one (probably) that we dont deserve a la Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea who are all part of the Sky4.......I’m not shouting conspiracy, it more transparent than that. Its plain old poor refereeing & the assistant should never be involved again as he doesnt know the ONE rule he is there to uphold.
Fucking shite, again. Its hard enough trying to break this shitty monolpoly that these bastards have imposed on our fucking game but without an even playing field what chance do we have.
Would that goal of stood at Anfield, Old Trafford, Emirates or even johnny come latelys home stamford shithole bridge?? You know it would.
Can the person corresponding with Keith Hackett tell him to stop fucking patronising us & DO SOMETHING to improve the standards of the officials & the law they are meant to uphold on the pitch, the stupid old cunt.
But was this injustice deemed a story on sky or bbc?? No, cos we are unfashionable and our players dont chase referees 50 yards to get in thier face or our manager is not spitting venom from the touchline. We just get on with it, well screw that from now on, I want that mentality from the players & club where if we dont get a decision we should piss & moan about it till we get one (probably) that we dont deserve a la Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea who are all part of the Sky4.......I’m not shouting conspiracy, it more transparent than that. Its plain old poor refereeing & the assistant should never be involved again as he doesnt know the ONE rule he is there to uphold.
Fucking shite, again. Its hard enough trying to break this shitty monolpoly that these bastards have imposed on our fucking game but without an even playing field what chance do we have.
Would that goal of stood at Anfield, Old Trafford, Emirates or even johnny come latelys home stamford shithole bridge?? You know it would.
Can the person corresponding with Keith Hackett tell him to stop fucking patronising us & DO SOMETHING to improve the standards of the officials & the law they are meant to uphold on the pitch, the stupid old cunt.
Jeremy Benson
24 Posted 04/02/2008 at 18:40:43
24 Posted 04/02/2008 at 18:40:43
All I can say is, its a good job that not all work colleagues or clients think the same as most of the people who have posted on this thread.
Otherwise, we’d all be out of work next week, having been the subject of whinging when we made a mistake in the work place.
Just imagine, if there was an adjudicating panel on us;
"Billy the plumber should be sacked - that dripping tap STILL isn’t fixed. Everyone could see its the washer"
"Silly mare sent the invoice to the wrong fax number. I hope she isnt going to be doing that job for the next 3 weeks"
I think people need to lighten up. Mistakes happen. Only complain if you are completely 100% perfect, and never make a mistake. And in that case, you’d be a liar.
Imagine how you would feel if the referee in question decided to complain to your employer that you spend too much time posting on a fan site... ;)
"I am sick to the back teeth of you getting the direc
Otherwise, we’d all be out of work next week, having been the subject of whinging when we made a mistake in the work place.
Just imagine, if there was an adjudicating panel on us;
"Billy the plumber should be sacked - that dripping tap STILL isn’t fixed. Everyone could see its the washer"
"Silly mare sent the invoice to the wrong fax number. I hope she isnt going to be doing that job for the next 3 weeks"
I think people need to lighten up. Mistakes happen. Only complain if you are completely 100% perfect, and never make a mistake. And in that case, you’d be a liar.
Imagine how you would feel if the referee in question decided to complain to your employer that you spend too much time posting on a fan site... ;)
"I am sick to the back teeth of you getting the direc
John Jones
25 Posted 04/02/2008 at 18:56:57
25 Posted 04/02/2008 at 18:56:57
Saw an interesting article in the papers a couple of weeks ago regarding European refereeing.
It seems that EU refs have to sit an exam/technical assessement each year to ensure they are up to speed on the laws of the game and are making the right decisions.
Guess which country doesn’t have such thing?!!
It seems that EU refs have to sit an exam/technical assessement each year to ensure they are up to speed on the laws of the game and are making the right decisions.
Guess which country doesn’t have such thing?!!
Danny B
26 Posted 04/02/2008 at 20:08:54
26 Posted 04/02/2008 at 20:08:54
Whats the e-mail address for Keith Hackett?
colin Jones
27 Posted 04/02/2008 at 20:02:57
27 Posted 04/02/2008 at 20:02:57
To be honest, whilst Dunn should have been sent off, I think Blackburn still would have had a player on the post anyway.
phillip.stansfield
28 Posted 04/02/2008 at 21:16:46
28 Posted 04/02/2008 at 21:16:46
I am sure you all remember the ’Bookie Thomas’ disallowed goal in the FA Cup semi final in 77’: that was hard to stomach!
But now there is undoubtedly a gut wrenching bias against Everton and any
decent side outside the supposed big four.
Yes it was a goal and yes it was a penalty and by my reckoning thats at least 3 points lost to incompetent cheating officials(including the Liverpool debacle.
The sooner we get a fourth official in the video room like cricket, the better.
Still there will be no excuses if we don’t beat Reading on Saturday.
Up the Toffees!
Phil: Barry, South Wales
But now there is undoubtedly a gut wrenching bias against Everton and any
decent side outside the supposed big four.
Yes it was a goal and yes it was a penalty and by my reckoning thats at least 3 points lost to incompetent cheating officials(including the Liverpool debacle.
The sooner we get a fourth official in the video room like cricket, the better.
Still there will be no excuses if we don’t beat Reading on Saturday.
Up the Toffees!
Phil: Barry, South Wales
Paul OHanlon
29 Posted 04/02/2008 at 22:49:08
29 Posted 04/02/2008 at 22:49:08
One thing that certainly won’t help makes Refs accountable is when the opposition manager doesn’t do the honourable thing and point out the mistakes that SHOULDN’Y have went in their favour.
In Mark Hughes’s post match interview he said the Referre was poor all afternoon but one decision he did get correct was the disallowed goal!!! To me, this kind of response is just as unhelpful for the game and managers and clubs need to unite to put pressure on the FA to come up with a solution to the current offside rule problem.
In Mark Hughes’s post match interview he said the Referre was poor all afternoon but one decision he did get correct was the disallowed goal!!! To me, this kind of response is just as unhelpful for the game and managers and clubs need to unite to put pressure on the FA to come up with a solution to the current offside rule problem.
Steven Mills
30 Posted 05/02/2008 at 00:39:17
30 Posted 05/02/2008 at 00:39:17
Great shout by whoever suggested getting foreign refs who wouldnt be swayed by certain clubs!
Although I would avoid getting a load of norwegian refs as we all know who they would favour!
In all seriousness though we do need to criticise them a bit more to put pressure on them! I remember a certain Manager (think it was Jewell or Souness) saying they didnt care about slagging the referee off because they could afford any fine the FA imposed!
The one time Moyesey actually went for it against a ref was Clattenburg and we seem to have been rewarded by this as I dont think he’s reffed another of our games since which is strange. Surely the FA have took notice!
We need to do the same with Wiley now! This Ref is another that seems to have an agenda against Everton! He should have sent Paul Scholes off against Utd early in the season but decided not to and now this! He was also the same referee that told his Linesman to "keep an eye" on Duncan Ferguson when he came on as a sub one game! This was actually on TV and even Andy Gray had something to say about it!
It’s almost a guarantee we’ll get Clattenburg or this joker refereeing the Derby which could decide 4th place one way or the other!
Although I would avoid getting a load of norwegian refs as we all know who they would favour!
In all seriousness though we do need to criticise them a bit more to put pressure on them! I remember a certain Manager (think it was Jewell or Souness) saying they didnt care about slagging the referee off because they could afford any fine the FA imposed!
The one time Moyesey actually went for it against a ref was Clattenburg and we seem to have been rewarded by this as I dont think he’s reffed another of our games since which is strange. Surely the FA have took notice!
We need to do the same with Wiley now! This Ref is another that seems to have an agenda against Everton! He should have sent Paul Scholes off against Utd early in the season but decided not to and now this! He was also the same referee that told his Linesman to "keep an eye" on Duncan Ferguson when he came on as a sub one game! This was actually on TV and even Andy Gray had something to say about it!
It’s almost a guarantee we’ll get Clattenburg or this joker refereeing the Derby which could decide 4th place one way or the other!
John Lloyd
31 Posted 05/02/2008 at 17:49:49
31 Posted 05/02/2008 at 17:49:49
Jeremy Benson
First off, its not a mistake that the referee’s assistant made on sat. It was a bad decision, he has looked at it, seeing what we saw & has disallowed it. That is a bad decision not a mistake you patronising tosser
First off, its not a mistake that the referee’s assistant made on sat. It was a bad decision, he has looked at it, seeing what we saw & has disallowed it. That is a bad decision not a mistake you patronising tosser
jimmy fearns
32 Posted 05/02/2008 at 20:23:47
32 Posted 05/02/2008 at 20:23:47
Jeremy Bentson your old fella made a mistake when he didnt use a johnny and ended up with you now piss off.
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1 Posted 04/02/2008 at 03:16:28