1 Penalty in 40 domestic games
After quickly scanning Evertons results over the last season and a half, I noticed that we have only been awarded 1 penalty in our last 40 domestic (league and cup) games. Despite having several blatant/very good shouts for penalties turned down.
The fact we've been given 4 spot kicks in 5 Uefa Cup games, suggest that Premiership refs are either incompetent or bottlers... Or both! Are we the only Premier League club not to have been awarded a penalty this season?? Anyone know??
Krung Thep, Posted 04/02/2008 at 12:00:57
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I’m sure I’ve seen Barry scoring at least one for Villa this season.
Barry has scored 4 in prem! Liverpool(h), Blackburn(a), Chelsea(a) and pompey(h)
AFAIK Tottenham are the only other team not to have had a league pen this season.
Sorry John-Paul, Spurs were awarded a penalty against both Arsenal and West Ham this season. The trouble is they were both missed!!!!!!!
?Johnson, whose reputation is so ingrained he might never win a penalty again.....? writes Peter Ferguson in today?s Daily Mail and says what I have long held to be true. Whilst I cannot believe there is any conspiracy against Everton, I am positive that match officials go into games with pre-conceived views on certain players and their behavioural patterns. Moyes may not have done the little man any favours by highlighting the injustices he suffers but just imagine the furore Saturday?s events would have evoked if Man Utd had been the victims!
Yeah David I couldnt agree more; I think the ’preconcieved ideas’ you spoke about concerning our AJ really only began to manifest after Arse Wenger spoke out about Johnson’s ’diving’. Didnt DM hold a meeting with FA Officials last season regarding referees unfair treatment towards AJ on thsi very subject? Someone on this site wrote a very good article yesterday arguing that David Moyes handles bad decisions too well as oppose to the likes of Ferguson and others who go wholly off the deep end when decisions go against their sides. Theres something to be said for this when you take into account that very dubious record the Mancs have at Old Trafford- I’m sorry I dont know the exact stat but its something like only 5 pens have been given to the away side at Old Trafford since the beginning of the premiership! Maybe we could get a nice little number like that if our manager behaved a little more petulantly when refs screw us. On the other hand, I do admire Mr.Moyes’ class in front the camera, it speaks volumes about the type of club we are.
AJ defo gets ’victimised’. There was absolutely no reason not to give a pen o Sat. The fella was jumping up knee first and gave AJ a dead leg right into his thigh!
Almost the same way Dunc and his reputation went before him. Difference being he was always judged to have fouled the opposition player everytime he jumped or made a challenge in the box, he couldn’t even fart without the defender whinging and rolling round on the floor
David,Couldn’t agree more.If any of the top 3 ,or Liverpool ,had suffered the three blatant injustices of Saturday there would be a major furore.Because it’s Everton the media can take a relaxed view on this.
Truly remarkable that Clattenburg hasn’t reffed us since the derby.Anyone know the stats on how often we should be reffed by each ref on the panel?The longer his absence from Everton games ,the more the tacit admission from the PL that he’s not capable of doing a good job on us.They’ll probably give him an Everton away game sometime but the chances of him appearing at Goodison with a whistle in his mouth are remote.
RE Neil’s post, anyone read Fergusons quote in the paper after they got 7 yellows in the Spurs game? "Man Utd should never get 7 yellows" Why not you cunt? If they made 7 fouls worthy of yellows then you fucking should!
While some teams seem to get in trouble for surrounding ref’s after they make crap decisions , everton players don’t bother to appeal.
The AJ penalty at Blackburn , which was a stonewall penalty , hardly anyone appealed...
We have had a pen this season - Wigan (h) on the first day - Arteta converted.
Neil H - I think you’ll find that was the Wigan away game last season (and Beattie got a pen in the home game). No pens this season though.
Neil, that was last season at home to Watford.
re: Graham Eaves’s post.
Ferguson is a master at doing this. When he has a slightly dodgy result he’ll have a rant about something stupid like the 7 yellow cards. He leaves it fairly open-ended so that the journalists start spouting articles along the lines of ’is Fergie right?’.
It’s all calculated to take the focus (and therefore the media pressure) off the the players after a ’poor’ result.
He’s done it for years - you’ll rarely hear him spouting off after a 4-0 win
Graham, funny post, laughing my head off at the comments!!
After Moyes meeting with the head of Referrees last year wasn’t it stated that he agreed that Johnson should have been given 10 out of the 12 penalties that he appealed for, but got 0? Again there has been 2 stone wall penalties in the last 2 games. What are these refferees seeing????????????
I agree with Dominic, I dont ever see our players appealing for anything. On one hand you could say this is good discipline that Moyes has put into them but on the other hand is it costing us? Look at the Kuyyt assault on Neville in the derby, nobody appealed for that, nobody even fronted the sloth because of the tackle.
Now im not condoning chasing referees around the pitch like Manure, Chelsea and the rest but it sometimes works in your favour if you loudly appeal a decision and make the ref think he’s done something wrong. The next half shout you get he may just give you. Its not cheating, its just standing your corner, cos you can bet your bottom dollar the other big sides will do it
The ref ignores a deliberate handball by a home player he’s already yellowed, so ignoring a cast iron penalty shout isn’t to surprising. And although many say that the linesman overruled the goal, of course, he didn’t. Only the ref can do that. As it said in my paper this morning, Blackburn were already lining up for the restart when the ref did what he did.
Why can the refs not be made accountable? Every other key person involved in a football match has to front the cameras so why not the officials? Even if it is the 4th official or the official match adjudicator they should be compelled to speak to BBC / Sky / Setanta or attend a post match press conference. Are the officials not meant to be "professional"? With professional status in any other walk of life there is scrutiny and with scrutiny comes personal accountability. The biggest talking point this weekend is not the great away performance and the 4th clean sheet out of the last five EPL matches and the retention of 4th in the table, it is the dire perfomance of two of the match officials. Every media source has descibed the decision to disallow AJ’s goal as plain worng not to mention the denied stonewall penalty. BBC - Lineker, Dixon & red nose Lawro all agreed it was legit. Sky - Peter Reid, Alan Curbishly & Chris Kamara all agreed it was legit. Every newspaper report of the match I have read decried the decision. The only perspective we are denied is that of the referee and his assistant. Why? Give me one good reason why this is denied? Is it contractual? Is it tacit admission the referees are not up to it? Just let them or order them as part of their contract to stand up and give their perspective. If you are fit enough and have reached the appropriate standard to officiate at such games then you are more than qualified to explain any contentious decisions. These refs are quite happy to do after dinner gigs and become media whores after their careers are over so why not front up now. If they are not comfortable in front of the camera then train them. Youth team players at every club are giving media coaching so why not adult proferssional officials. If it is about money I bet every EPL manager / chairman would give them an extra grand per match to explain their decisons. Why can’t their boss Keith Hackett put out a statement on their behalf? He’s quite happy to apparently send emails to all comers so why not put out an official explanation. It’s absolutely rotten to the core. The terrible inconsistent standard of referring in the game as a whole is a global pandemic. It effects us and many other teams week in week out and the main losers are the faithful, loyal supporters.
Lets get the refs miked up and put on air live as in rugby so we can hear every word. Every decision explained. Lets hear Clattenburg & Gerrard reminisce about that lost night in Kowloon. Riley to accept his invitation to Wayne & Coleens big summer bash. Get them to front up to the cameras after every game. We deserve it and they would do themsleves and their profession so much service if they did.
After Moyes sent a video to Hackett he agreed Johnson shoud have had at least 8 pens last season, but at the end of the day retrospective might have been dont convert into points. I was at the game on Saturday and was nearly nicked for giving the linesman abuse in the corner, he was a disgrace and he got the abuse he deserved but I am sure he give off side to say fuck you scouse kunts, I am going to show you who is boss, he was one prick, did you see when he was over ruled by the ref, his face was like a smacked arse.
Posted 04/02/2008 at 18:48:09
I think Man City are the only other team that hasn’t been awarded a penalty this season.
I am a youth referee, and as soon as Dunn touched the ball with his hand, I said to myself, well, he’s gone. It’s in the rules that way. It HAS to be given as a yellow. So, Wiley ignores the rules there, and we are punished. How he missed the penalty on AJ is totally a mystery. And there is a rule against persistent infringement against a PLAYER. Since all Blackburn did was knowcj Arteta to the turf each time he touched the ball, Wiley should hav said the next guy to do it goes. Period. End of fouling. That’s why Mikey had to lash out on his own because the referee didnt protect him.
And then for the AR to get it wrong on the winner as beyond me. He has to be absolutely sure of the offside to rule it out, and he had no clue. The ball was played square or slightly backward to AJ, and the BALL at that moment is the offside line NOT the number of players. AJ was certainly not ahead of the ball when it was played. Hughes stated that it was a grey area because Johnson was coming back from an offside position, but his position is reset the moment an opponent plays the ball which Friedel did. Just a horrible decision by an AR who had NO idea what he had just seen. My thinking is he guessed at the decision, had a 50/50 shot at getting it right, and was wrong. He should be banned and so whould Wiley for disregarding a rule and then not spotting a penalty. Plus, he appears not to be able to keep up with play any longer and has put on weight.
Excellent post Clyde. I’m also a ref and would have to agree with every ruling you describe. But you’ll get nowhere near the Premier League if you keep that attitude.
It was actually hand ball by the Everton Goal keeper in the oppositions penetly area. Its easy when you cheat ha ha
At half time I looked at my battered and bruised team minus one who had been hospitalised and told them to forget my lectures about not disputing decisions.
I also said that the referee was not protecting them from opposition thuggery and they were to fend for themselves.
What ensued was a second half of absolute mayem. Players from both sides were sent off plus two more hospital cases, one from each team.
That took place many years ago on a cold wet Sunday morning in a public park in the back blocks of the Australian bush.
I would place some EPL referees on a par with the well meaning yet incompetent idiot we suffered on that forgettable day.
It is becoming obvious that a different set of disciplinary rules apply to ’top 4’ teams and unless something is done about it we can expect to see retaliation of the type mentioned above.
Why cant we make Refs who constantly make errors like this pay for it,if on a replay it proves the ref has either awarded a goal that was not or disallowed one that should count then he gets a strike same with penalties if during a season he chalks up 5 he gets a warning and if he still messes up fire him lets face it if we made the same amount of errors in our own employment we would not get away with it.
What do you reckon after Neil in another thread got a response from Hackett saying the pen decision and goal were both wrong that we get a token pen this weekend against Reading?
I think we’re just going to have to accept that unless AJ has hacked down to the ground and virtually crocked, we aren’t going to get penalty decisions for him. His card is well and truly marked.
As for the offside, if Mark Hughes, (as a centre forward), can’t admit it was a fucking travesty, then I don’t know who will. By the way, I seem to vaguely recall the Dutch guy formally of Man Utd made a bloody career out of running in from an offside position.....
It is protectionism for the wealthy 4. Anyone threatening there cosy existance is rebuffed by available ,if unethical,immoral etc ,means and to hell with the sport.
When was the last penalty Everton received in the league? Which game did Arteta hit one over the bar? Was that a UEFA/Carling Cup game?
The last penalty we had in a league match, was last season against Portsmouth at home on May 5th 2007.
The penalty Arteta ballooned over the bar was against Zenith St Peterburg in the UEFA Cup.