The games I've seen Manny Fernandes play thus far, he seems to be playing in a more defensive role like Carsley rather than attacking. I thought we got him back to support Arteta in attack while Carsley hangs back but there are times when we push forward, he seems to be playing a bit too deep for my liking. Is this part of DM's instructions? Is it because DM is working him back in the game or just being cautious? Great talent/potential though!
Anj Stamos, Posted 04/02/2008 at 23:48:39
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1 Posted 05/02/2008 at 02:33:27
In my opinion Fernandes has always been a defensive central midfielder, not quite in the sweeper style of Carsley but more of a distributor and ball winner in the mode of Roy Keane or the position that Paul Scoles has taken up at Man United now he is fit.
He played deep last season for Everton but this position allows the player to come forward with the sweeper (Carsley) as back up.
Incidentally Osman in my opinion has played his best football from this position prior to his injury.
2 Posted 05/02/2008 at 08:06:32
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4 Posted 05/02/2008 at 10:03:56
The guys class and players like him are few & far between; we should all feel extremely pleased he’s back at Everton.
5 Posted 05/02/2008 at 11:19:10
I think, given time and fitness, he’ll be the box to box midfielder we’ve been looking for.
6 Posted 05/02/2008 at 11:46:30
I dont actually mind this personally. Carsley never looks for the ball off the back four therefore we do tend to go long. With Manny there atleast we have someone who can take it off them and dictate or get the likes of Arteta and Pienaar into more dangerous areas.
It could be down to fitness. If you’re not fit which he isn’t your not really going to bomb up and down the pitch time and time again. I dont think he’s box to box personally or a defensive midfielder. He could be a deep lying play maker or even just a central midfielder.
7 Posted 05/02/2008 at 12:10:10
¿A quién te pareces?
?A Baraja, soy un futbolista de contención que le gusta atacar?.
Translated he views himself as similar to Ruben Baraja the old Valencia playmaker, an attacker...he didn’t equate himself to Abelda the defensive midfielder...
Look he’s a talented guy, and he knows it, who needs a good guiding figure to tell him what to do to really make his talent impact...aka Ferguson with Roy Keane...unfortunately he has his Mr. 15 % in his ear instead...I think this is a very big problem...
8 Posted 05/02/2008 at 12:22:26
9 Posted 05/02/2008 at 12:26:28
10 Posted 05/02/2008 at 14:41:58
Because he isnt a Scholes type player it means we can have two wide attacking players without losing thet balance in midfield,
11 Posted 05/02/2008 at 15:47:22
12 Posted 05/02/2008 at 16:31:18
13 Posted 05/02/2008 at 16:41:26
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15 Posted 05/02/2008 at 16:51:46
This is why we need a new defensive midfielder. Carsley is a useful player to have but he’s one dimensional. A modern day defensive midfielder needs to be able to take the ball of the back four and start attacks. This is probably the reason why Fernandes is playing deeper so that he can do this.
16 Posted 05/02/2008 at 17:41:42
17 Posted 05/02/2008 at 20:56:19
18 Posted 06/02/2008 at 01:44:07
19 Posted 06/02/2008 at 03:16:44
20 Posted 06/02/2008 at 08:14:11
Why do we need to pigeon-hole players in such a way?
Manny is the continental style midfielder not so often used in the premiership who comes deep looking to take the ball from the defence and passing it on to the strikers, oftne playing slide-rule passes giving strikers a chance at goal or space to put in a cross. If we need to give him a label I guess he is a link man - ie linking defence with attack.
21 Posted 06/02/2008 at 10:37:35
Also, Colin. I hear what you’re saying, and it’s a fair shout, but I truly believe that it was less to do with Manny why he failed at Benfica and Valencia and a lot more to do with Koeman. The guy had a serious problem with him and appears to have a stubborn personality that make Moyes look like Keegan!
22 Posted 06/02/2008 at 14:37:34
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24 Posted 06/02/2008 at 15:23:16
re; ’ the Ferrari with the 1100 engine’ and ’Roy Keane’.
I mentioned Roy Keane and Alex Ferguson earlier... I didn’t mean that Manny is like Roy Keane exactly as a player - just that Keane was a goal-scoring box to box midfielder at forest and Ferguson molded him into game controlling midfield general that he became...Ferguson focused his talents to where they could be used best - he knew he could find other players to score the goals and create openings so he kept Keane playing where he was most potent...I do see your analogy about the ferrari and it’s inadequte engine but maybe this is because Manny is trying to do everything in midfield - shooting, tackling, ball holding, creating - and he is getting tired and frustrated. Maybe a more focused role would be appropriate?
Manny is no defensive midfielder...he’s not much more defensive than Gravesen was...Real Madrid bought Gravesen on the basis that he played in midfield and had the image of a tough tackler - but he was closer to Zidane than Makele in his role...
25 Posted 06/02/2008 at 16:21:26
26 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:50:51
Fernandes has the ability to read where the ball is going to come loose, he knows how to get his body in between the player in possession and the ball. He’s got all the attributes of a defensive midfielder. Gravesen never had a clue, and preferred chasing, harrying and tackling (ie looking busy). A good defender never looks busy because he doesn’t need to, he’s already there and he’s already read the play. A good defender rarely tackles because to need to tackle is to have done something wrong in the first place. This is what Fernandes (similar to Makalele) is good at when the opposition have the ball.