Now, I'm not trying to be deliberately controversial here, although some people may see it that way.
I've been reading all the debate about Tim Cahill's best position and form etc and I've decided to get something off my chest.
Now I'm not being a doom monger, but does anyone else think Mikel Arteta is over rated? At least by us lot, the fans.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive fan of Mikel (and of Cahill) but I honestly think he's over rated. When hes on top of his game, playing against the likes of Wigan at home I agree he can be unplayable, but lets be honest, he's not that consistent is he? As for his corners...
As has been mentioned before, he does not do it against sterner opposition, why is this?
As I said before, I'm not one of those fans who sees fault in everything, and Im made up with the way the season has gone, I just wonder if Im alone in thinking this. Probably.
Right, my shields up. I await your responses...
Franny Porter, Posted 06/02/2008 at 11:19:41
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1 Posted 06/02/2008 at 16:30:04
Admittedly dont think he’s been as consistent this season but the guy is class on his day.
You wait until he has a blinder in the derby and scores the winner from 25 yards. You wont be saying he’s overrated then
2 Posted 06/02/2008 at 16:34:38
3 Posted 06/02/2008 at 16:35:19
I wouldn’t say he’s overrated though, but he does seem to be in a bit of a slump these days. A bit tired maybe? Hard to say, but he’s still a clear cut first choice in midfield in my book...
4 Posted 06/02/2008 at 16:32:01
But when we play the some of the lesser teams, they see more of our players as a threat, so they would be foolish to just concentrate on Arteta. Hence, Mikky gets more time on the ball to weave his magic.
5 Posted 06/02/2008 at 18:15:11
I still think the burden is too great on Arteta when Pienaar isn’t playing.
6 Posted 06/02/2008 at 18:33:22
7 Posted 06/02/2008 at 18:33:22
8 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:07:53
Mikel is far better than anybody we have going forward, and we rely on him far too heavily. I think to say is he over rated is ludacrus as he has by far the best player i have seen at EFC (i am 16 years old).
Yes perhaps he has not been the same this season as he was last, but he is still the only player who can change a game in an instance. He ha been out player of the year both of the two full seasons hes played for us. I am very dissapointed that people would even question the ability of him!
9 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:00:08
10 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:24:15
11 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:26:23
12 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:27:50
13 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:27:33
14 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:36:03
15 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:28:53
I agree definately not a patch on last season and I also agree that his ability to beat the first man from the corner flag is not up to standard.
BUT we don’t make enough of the space he creates because he is so heavily marked. Really looking forward to having Peanut back because in him I think we may have seen the ideal foil for the best little Spaniard.
16 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:06:29
17 Posted 06/02/2008 at 19:45:19
18 Posted 06/02/2008 at 20:27:04
19 Posted 06/02/2008 at 20:29:55
No goals, lackluster and rarely beats the first man with
corners or free kicks. I know its the unthinkable but i still believe we should sell him if we get 15 mill- ish.
We can make excuses that he’s heavily marked but for me he reminds me of a inferior ronaldo but without the goals, pace and delivery!
i dont know Echo award or fooball player of the year award.. what should an everton star player be winning?
20 Posted 06/02/2008 at 21:14:45
21 Posted 06/02/2008 at 21:08:24
As for playing the big teams he does seem to go missing, and i do agree that the big temas do try to mark him out the game and it mostly works.
I however see that arteta’s problem is that he has not been clinical enough for us recently. He had a lot of the ball against chalsea in the home leg(although it was always going to be a massive game to win) but i didnt really see him make one clear cut chance and simply ran into corners or passed which is unusual for him. To me he has been very frustrating recently.
But i do think now that we have another quality dead ball specialist in manny fernandes, (and dare i say carsley seems to want to take alot) and a good left footer in baines(who i think should definetly take the corners from the respective side and try some free kicks) and we also have pienarr who seems is going to be another skillful winger, that maybe the pressure can be realeased a bit on arteta and he should be free’d of some of his jobs that he takes for granted. He should take them when he has a good feeling about, not because he is the only one that can.
He is still a great everton player though, fact.
22 Posted 06/02/2008 at 21:12:13
He doesn’t shoot enough.
23 Posted 06/02/2008 at 21:41:30
24 Posted 06/02/2008 at 22:02:30
Best Spaniard on Merseyside.....yes better then Alonso and at the moment better then Torres....although Torres is good.
25 Posted 06/02/2008 at 22:19:50
In order to win trophies, our players need to perform to a consistently high level against all opposition. People criticise Cahill’s technique but you can guarantee that he wont be anonymous during the forthcoming Anfield derby.
26 Posted 06/02/2008 at 23:14:17
I think Arteta suffers with Pienaar being out because as our one creative player he is an obvious target for man markers. I do think it was ridiculous when some papers suggested he was "better than Ronaldo" earlier this year but I think he and Pienaar are better than say Mark Ward and Peter Beagrie who were part of our side in the late 80’s before we turned crap.
Arteta works harder than Limpar and isn’t a one trick pony like Kanchelskis so consequently is likely to last longer than either of them at the top level. I do think his performances haven’t been that great of late but how often down the years has Giggs had dips in form only to bounce back ? The more good players we have the easier it is for them all to prosper and I think Mikel, Manny and Tim will be all the better for having Yak and Pienaar back from the ANC as there is safety in numbers when it comes to man marking.
27 Posted 06/02/2008 at 23:16:53
Back to the initial post though, I think Franny realitically knows that he is being a bit over critical or else he would not have added the comment about needing a shield.
28 Posted 06/02/2008 at 23:16:05
29 Posted 06/02/2008 at 23:41:00
30 Posted 07/02/2008 at 00:18:02
Without pienaar it is easy for oppo to nullify him by double marking.
Having said that i am totally pissed off by the crap spouted recently about him and cahill. even good players have poor spells, and sometimes the only way to traverse a dip in form is to start games. We would miss either of these players big style - my concern is that cahill is a natural replacement for scholes @MU.
We have a thin squad - AFCON has proven this. The loss of any of our better players would cripple us.
31 Posted 07/02/2008 at 05:38:26
A few very angry repsonses their, if you read the original post, you will see I am a fan of Mikky, however, I merely think we rate him too highly, Im not suggesting hes shit or that we should sell him.
John Mickleson, get a grip.
Tune in next week for my newest thread - "Dixie Dean - not a team player - dicuss"
Thankyou, Im hear all week,,,,
32 Posted 07/02/2008 at 10:47:50
Just in response, I disagree about Mikel. In my opinion he’s the most talented player we’ve had a Goodison in twenty years. I do think he’s suffering from the attention he’s getting now but the arrival of Manny, along with the return of Pienaar will help with that I think.
How about next column - Unsworth - overweight or tight shorts....you decide!!
33 Posted 07/02/2008 at 11:52:22