Sometimes it's refreshing to see our players behaving on the pitch but I wish we'd be a bit more nasty at times. They talk about how the crowd at Goodison can influence the ref by shouting for everything but why don't the players? I'd love to see the players get at the ref more. Why didn't someone risk a card by getting right in Wiley's face at Blackburn? The FA have shown they'll drop the charges when their man is in the wrong!
Also, when Hunt was trying to square up to Carsley on Saturday, I noticed Everton players trying to calm him down. Why didn't they wind him up some more and get the little bastard sent off? Maybe it's not the School of Science way but I just wish our players would show a little more arrogance towards the officials and the opposition.
Alan Clarke, Posted 11/02/2008 at 20:03:56
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1 Posted 12/02/2008 at 07:33:25
Yes, one can appeal after the fact but during the game any reaction from nothing to jumping up and down apeshit-like in the ref’s face.........won’t do a darned thing.
So why should anybody risk a card during the game to change the ref’s mind when it simply isn’t going to happen?
I actually admire the Everton players (well, most of them) all the more for the way they react as opposed to what some players get up to.....a part of the game which I think is shameful.
The crowd can do their part for sure and definitely after the game the management should and do appeal and/or complain but the players themselves should carry on exactly as they are.
2 Posted 12/02/2008 at 07:40:45
3 Posted 12/02/2008 at 07:43:03
Whilst I agree with you that I’m proud that Everton aren’t a bunch of whingers who surround the ref at every given opportunity, there is a reason why the likes of Man U still do it.
The reason is not to get the ref to change his mind on a decision, it’s to lull him into being more tolerant, even siding with the whiging team in the next big decision. For example, if a ref doubts himself and thinks ’hmm, well, maybe I WAS a bit harsh there’ then there is a natural tendency to even the score to maintain impartiality.
For the next 50/50 tackle in the box, perhaps the ref will be swayed 51/49 towards the whinging team and give the decision their way.
Anyway, to repeat, I think that such performances are ugly and I’m glad that Everton aren’t succumbing to it.
4 Posted 12/02/2008 at 08:56:54
I don’t like to see Arteta diving, as much as I love his skill and guile, its sometimes embarrassing. Yes, they are all at it but I always had some old fashioned sense of conduct that "my" team won’t. Dated but true. Off to get my pipe and slippers.
5 Posted 12/02/2008 at 09:42:21
6 Posted 12/02/2008 at 09:46:52
It isn’t cheating its gamesmanship and we all want to see Everton do as well as they can. Lets be honest, we’d love it if it went on in the derby so it should be the same in any game.
7 Posted 12/02/2008 at 11:02:48
Unless of course he is Mark Clattenburg and Gerrard has a little word in his ear that the foul really should be a red card after all.
8 Posted 12/02/2008 at 11:07:38
9 Posted 12/02/2008 at 10:54:32
In the Manchester derby every decision that went against United was met with angry gesticulation or outraged looks. On occasion it was blatant dissent and the usual ref mobbing.
We know to our cost how succesfully the RS do it and Chesea are not far behind them.
The grand masters of applying pressure to match officials are of course Arsenal.
Unlike Moyes, no manager of those teams has admonished their players and I can only conclude that it forms a part of their game plan.
By drawing attention to cerain opponents those managers in pre match media chats actually add to the pressure on refs and sadly it appears to be a succesful gambit.
Remembering what happened to McFadden for using a single word I would not recommend any of our lads to try it on.
Best to wait until we are firmly entrenched in the Sky 4 when anything and everything is permitted.
10 Posted 12/02/2008 at 12:14:58
11 Posted 12/02/2008 at 13:29:02
Do we really want to be anything like the horrible whingers over the park?
12 Posted 12/02/2008 at 13:28:53
Martin Cutlers right, you wont change a decision, but you’ll have a massive influence over the next call if the ref knows all hell will break loose if he fucks up again
Ref chasing is ugly, but it appears the more you do it, the higher you finish
13 Posted 13/02/2008 at 00:20:45