I saw a report on Sky TV last night which stated that Everton are sitting just outside the Top 20 richest clubs in the world and that by this time next year with TV revenue, we should break into the top 20.
Although I don't totally understand the ins and outs of this rich list and I know Blue Bill and the Board have been slated at times for not stumping up enough cash for players at the right times, and I also realize that under the current leadership we will never be competing with Man U or Chelsea in the transfer market, but I feel we do have to give the Chairman, the Board and the management massive credit from digging the club out of the preverbial and getting us to the level of stability we currently have at the club.
It wasn't too many years ago when it was touch and go, we were at the same crossroads as Leeds United. I'm just thankful that we took the correct turning! I know we are not Real Madrid just yet, but we are so much better off than the Peter Johnson era and that's largely down to Bill & Co!
Ian Ankers, Posted 15/02/2008 at 12:09:34
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But when you look at the numbers, the only reason we actually made the rich list was that we sold our prize asset, one Wayne Rooney...
1 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:33:05
2 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:25:50
Something tells me you are just picking at anything you can to have a go.
Why not just be content that with no HUGE influx of new finance to the club, we are doing alright (if what Ian says is correct).
And before you say it, yes I love Bill and Buster. I have a room at home with nothing but pictures of them. Sometimes I dance in my pants with cardboard cut outs of Lord Kenright (Head of the Universe) to old ragtime tunes;-)
3 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:32:08
OR, is it expected we’ll be rich next year coz of flogging GP to become Tesco’s tennants (oh shit, let’s not mention the K word....)
4 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:30:07
We would not have been in the Top 20 Rich List if it wasn’t for the Rooney windfall. However, we are now on the verge of it (according to the Murdoch press) in a situation that has been a relatively normal fiscal year.
I think Ian’s point is justified, whatever Bill’s shortcomings on where he is taking the club. Credit is due that we are not having to endure away games at Elland Road in League 1.
5 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:31:01
It didnt help that we closed/sold off the retail stores to JJB and did not have another Rooney to sell.
In reality our wealth (i.e. assets less liabilities)has been diminishing under the BK/Wyness partnership.They have sold off assets (the training ground site for one) and are now leasing from the council.
It amazes me that now we are doing much better on the pitch (despite the restrictions put on Moyes)that people cannot see through BK/Wyness as incompetent at best and deceiptful at worst.
I cant forgive BK for many things(KD, Fortress, NTL etc.) but the thing that really rankles me is the 20million plus that was "borrowed" from friends and EFC to buy off Johnson and secure his chairman?s position at EFC which immediately put us in serious debt and but for selling Rooney (who is our real saviour ? not BILL) might have put us where Leeds went.
Going back to the rich list, I think you need income of at least £65 million a year to sneak in and we may do that again this year with Uefa Cup and 4th place (fingers and legs crossed).
Onwards and upwards despite BK!!
6 Posted 15/02/2008 at 14:53:59
7 Posted 15/02/2008 at 15:03:24
8 Posted 15/02/2008 at 15:01:55
BK didnt buy him out.
Even Johnson would have done better with the benefit of Moyes and the SKY and Rooney millions.
9 Posted 15/02/2008 at 15:09:59
If we had stayed with Johnson, I believe we would have ended up in a far unhealthier position than we are now. I doubt we would even have got to the point were we would have benefitted from having Moyes, Rooney and the Sky millions.
The way I saw things going, if we had continued with Johnson, we would have been relegated well before Sky offered the Premier League the amounts they give now; Moyes would not have come to us; and Rooney would have been sold for about £3 million to a Premier League side to try and stop the huge difficulties we were in.
I?m an emotional agnostic with BK. Somethings I like about him, others I don?t, but one thing I feel is that we benefitted from him getting us out of Johnson's hands when he first stepped in to help.
10 Posted 15/02/2008 at 15:19:36
I can't honestly say I was a fan of Johnson either but I do get upset about the way certain fans give BK credit when I see the man as a total fraudster.Everything out of the man's mouth is a lie.
He "spoke to Walter every day" about EFC!! It was only the fans who got Walter the boot and he recommended Moyes who BK didnt have a clue about at that point.
Then we have the Kings Dock fiasco which we could have had for £30 million!! But BK pissed the council and Paul Gregg off with his attitude. Fortress sports fund - "the cheque will be in the bank tomorrow"!!!The man is a compulsive bullshitter.
But I agree with you Johnson would not be my choice either. Give me a Steve Gibson/Randy Lerner anyday ? just not a BK.
11 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:01:04
12 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:01:12
I cant believe people are comming on here praising the kings dock saboteur
13 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:31:46
14 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:29:53
15 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:29:02
16 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:24:48
The rich list in itself is largely meaningless. How can our club genuinely be called rich when it loses money every year and has spiralling debts? Rather than looking to give credit to BK/Wyness for doing nothing, you should be blaming them for the state of our balance sheet. After all, that is something over which they have control.
17 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:41:49
So... we are where we are because we don?t have the money to run the club, we have to leave it to others who all have their own agenda. Until we own the club ?a la? Barcelona we either like it or lump it.
18 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:00:46
19 Posted 15/02/2008 at 16:48:17
Mike Carlisle wrote:
I?m an emotional agnostic with BK. Somethings I like about him, others I don?t, but one thing I feel is that we benefitted from him getting us out of Johnson?s hands when he first stepped in to help.
Cheers Mike, thats a better way of explaining how I feel than anything I could have come up with!
We do have to look at assets as well. Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Johnson, Lescott, Yobo etc. are all very good assets to have from a footballing and financial perspective and none have been forced to move on due to a financial situation. The revolving door has been closed, and decent players are being paid for each season in addition to the ones we already have, am I wrong for giving credit to BK for that? Maybe I am?
As I said in the thread, rightly or wrongly I believe we are much better off Financially and as a club on the whole since BK took over from Johnson and so I genuinely ask the question to those more ?in the know? than myself:
Who do we thank for that?
20 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:05:28
No - but I used to.
How did you know?
Did you used to play that league too?
21 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:16:09
22 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:11:42
The credit for signing Arteta,Cahill etc rests firmly with Moyes who has worked his tripe off looking for bargains and "the right attitude" in bringing in "bargain basement? players because of the limitations of our board.
As someone said earlier they only have to bank the money from sky once a year.
What have they done with what is supposed to be their real purpose i.e. better marketing and organisation of the club.
They have even left the new stadium development in the hands of outsiders (Tesco developers) but hey lets not go near that one.
What about the new investment that Bill is seeking every day?? Oh I guess the cheque will be in the bank again tomorrow so lets not worry about improving EFC at corporate level.
23 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:11:34
24 Posted 15/02/2008 at 17:26:57
It?s hard work trying to make the point that we are succeeding despite the board not because of them.
25 Posted 15/02/2008 at 18:11:38
26 Posted 15/02/2008 at 19:16:02
Barcodes and Spurs miles above us on the rich list, but both would swap in a flash to be 4th in Prem....
Money dont always buy you Honey.....
27 Posted 15/02/2008 at 20:17:05
28 Posted 15/02/2008 at 21:51:39
I can understand idiots like you faliing for Bill?s bullshit. It's the other educated blues who I can't understand but there again I think, unlike you, that everyone is entitled to an opinion and my opinion of you is you?re a smartassed little shithouse who can come on here and tell people to fuck off but wouldn't dare do it face to face.
29 Posted 15/02/2008 at 22:09:14
BK has been a member of the board since the decline from the late 80s and was good pals with Johnson until the first buyout battle but then they kissed and made up again afterwards.
Its a shame the Moore?s clan were so disinterested in football that they sold out for a pittance and made Johnson and BK a lot richer than they should have been given their respective poor performances as chairmen.
30 Posted 16/02/2008 at 03:56:18
And this next one will be much the same.
As some one else said
Not BECAUSE of Bill and Bully but DESPITE them
31 Posted 16/02/2008 at 11:50:51
My gratitude to Bill and Co. has diminished somewhat!
32 Posted 16/02/2008 at 12:51:15
Remember Leeds? Well as was pointed out in the same Sky report, if Man Utd didn’t make the Champions League two seasons running they’d be in serious shit! Football is now a game when you are never far from bankrupcy. The sword of Damocles hangs over the head of every club and Leeds was the perfect example of this. It doesn’t matter how many people you get through the gates, if you want to play with the big teams you have to invest big in playing staff, then if you don’t get into the CL you’re fucked!
BK and KW may be idiots, but the rich list is not a stick to beat them with.
33 Posted 16/02/2008 at 13:05:07
We are a much better team, in a much stronger position than before. Like it has been said before....who wants to be in the Top 20 if you have to be Newcastle. Continuing to progress like we have will put us there....but let?s remember that being in 4th is more important and getting into Europe consistently is the key to future growth.
Come on you blues!