If I see Andy Johnson take the ball to the corner one more time when he could dip into the middle, I'm gonna fly over the pond and strangle the poor lad myself.
Every great scorer spends more time going towards goal than in any other direction. Sadly, Andy Johnson is not, and if we continue to start him next season, we will be doomed to mediocrity. Enough THUMBS-UPS on play's you JUST couldn't make, start scoring.
EFC NEEDS: new holding midfielder - Carsley is not proficient enough on the ball. Every top team has an influential player at this position, see Carrick, Mascherano, Makelele etc.
New #2 forward -- we should buy a player like Cahill, who can score and also stay fit.
New right back....Nothing more need be said. Maybe one who can fly forwards.
That's just the start!!! Go on you boys!
Chris Kelly, Posted 07/04/2008 at 01:02:22
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1 Posted 07/04/2008 at 02:34:43
But then, I’ve always felt he was overrated and nowhere near the clinical finisher he was brought up to be from his CP days...
2 Posted 07/04/2008 at 02:50:42
To West Ham for an 8 figure fee hopefully.
Simply not good enough, nuff said
3 Posted 07/04/2008 at 04:51:22
4 Posted 07/04/2008 at 05:10:12
Ok, he has got 10 goals from 25 appearances this season but apart from that? Jack!
I suppose, if we had any half decent referees in EPL he might have gotten us about half a dozen penalties and we?d be in 4th now but apart from that - nuttin!
I guess he did get a few last year - ok it was 12 but apart from that - SFA.
Then there was that derby game where he got 2 I think but apart from that nada.
Should I stop now?
5 Posted 07/04/2008 at 05:57:41
6 Posted 07/04/2008 at 06:33:50
Give him the ball in the box and he?ll score enough goals. But, like Yakubu, and even Beattie before him, he suffers from a basic lack of service where it counts ? in and around the six-yard box. As a team we play too deep, expect the strikers to create chances running at a wall of defenders and simply do not attack in sufficient numbers.
And if Arteta could consistently get a corner or free kick beyond the first man, the set-pieces AJ wins would make him even more valuable to the team. He?s not the problem, people ? and to say he is "fucking dreadful" is jaw-droppingly OTT, Michael, my good man ? it goes much deeper than him.
7 Posted 07/04/2008 at 07:53:38
Fair enough, he’s not the Yak, you don’t want the ball into his feet and you don’t expect him to produce a finish every time he has the ball.
BUT he worries defences with his pace and with balls ahead of him to run on to, he’ll outpace any defence.
Remember his finishes against Brann, I don’t care who it was against, the midfield put the ball in the right place and those finishes would have beaten any keeper. And 10 goals from a striker who has been out with niggles and on the bench for nearly half the season ain’t bad.
If we can get a couple more good midfielders to provide more ammo for AJ and Yak, then next season we could really be looking at quite a strike force. I think they complement each other well, with AJ creating the space that the Yak can exploit and the Yak holding the ball and releasing AJ on the run......
I think all our problems come from an unbalanced midfield, too reliant on 2 players to create.
8 Posted 07/04/2008 at 07:56:17
AJ is the same he needs good service to feed from and we struggle to give him that. That said though, he is not adverse to running up a blind ally but not to the extent that Chris and Michael are saying.
1 goal in 2.5 starts is a good ratio for a "second striker".
When was the last time we had 29 goals from 2 strikers by April never mind the end of the season????
Things could/need to be better but I think it is performances that are lacking rather than the quality of players (last week accepted as we didn?t have much choice in the personel department).
9 Posted 07/04/2008 at 08:09:01
10 Posted 07/04/2008 at 08:48:21
AJ isn?t perfect but if you pay attention he?s often forced to run towards the corner because that?s where Neville's bloody awful passes usually end up. That or over the line. It?s a bloody miracle that AJ still bothers to even chase those passes..
11 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:00:39
Aint that the truth - he wouldn't have missed that fuckin sitter yesterday!
Seriously, I thought AJ looked alright yesterday. He?s just pushed wide by lots of balls down the channels, which, I think, is his role in this team.
The trouble is, with him in the team we are never going to get another penalty! Even he now doesn't even appeal for them even when he should.
12 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:09:22
13 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:08:09
14 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:05:29
I think we?ve finally found a really good strike partnership and if AJand Yak can score as many goals as they have between them this season with the sometimes not exactly great service they're receiving then it could be a whole lot more with a bit more work!! Fernandes hasn't been great since he returned but its passes like his to Osman that we need to get to AJ and Yak!
15 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:10:12
I don't care how much Moyes harps on about Osman being a Central Midfielder (surely he's not considering this next year), he is simply not good enough at this level. Yes, a good finish yesterday but too lightweight and gets caught in possesion all the time.
Carsley's days are numbered. Although he has been tremendous for Everton he can't go on forever and to progress we need to improve this position. A natural winger would be a good addition and someone to show Arteta how to take set pieces (dosn't look interested to me) and beat the first man.
Neville aside, that was probably our best back four yesterday but now it's up to the board to back the manager and find some funds for improvements.
16 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:16:02
You just happen to mention the holding players that play for the richest 3 clubs in the league, Carrick and Mascherano both cost 18 odd million, im not sure how much Makele cost but his wages alone are well over 100k a week, we just can not compete with teams like that in the transfer market. Carsley does a crucial job for us, in a dirty-ugly sort of way, the amount of tackles and blocks he makes is crucial, he constantly puts his neck on the line by going in where most people would shy out
17 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:51:20
18 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:00:28
Speed is his main or some might say only attribute.
Positional play, Shit.
Ball skills. Rubbish
Heading. Your kidding!
First touch. subelty of a 22 lb sledge hammer.
Strength when tackled. Your havin a laugh.
Possession play. Does a split second count?
His size ? might worry a 5-foot nothing centre half.
The only service he can use is a perfectly weighted ball that lands within playing distance and without him having to break stride. Nor must it be above waist height.
If he is running into the box and not in the direction of a corner flag it would be even better.
Other than the great Maradonna I know of no midfielder who could deliver such a ball to a target that is dissapearing into the distance at a rate of knots.
19 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:49:54
AJ gets alot of (deserved) priase for doing all that chasing, and wins more than his fair share of corners and free kicks when he puts full backs under pressure, but do you honestly believe he wouldn’t prefer balls played in front of him, down the channels and, perhaps, within 5 yards of him? Of course he would.
I don’t think he’s a natural finisher, but the service he gets most of the time is just bad, plain and simple.
Chris Kelly - ’buy someone else like Cahill’? Simple - why didn’t I think of that? Somehow I don’t think it’s that easy...
Michael - a valid opinion, yes, but needlessly agressive in its expression. Plus, ’woking hard to pull defenders out of position’. Not useful, eh? Cahill would probably disagree with you there, as would Osman after his goal yesteday - it’s how midfielders get space. It’s a shame they don’t take advantage more often though, but that’s another gripe for another thread...
20 Posted 07/04/2008 at 09:21:01
21 Posted 07/04/2008 at 10:07:28
Sometimes our forwards are battling rams or decoys for the likes of Cahill to score the goals. AJ is an important integral part of this Everton.
22 Posted 07/04/2008 at 10:16:37
Fact: We dont get enough players in the box.
Look at Boro yesterday against Utd, they attacked, got players forward and were unlucky not to win the game.
If I were AJ or Yak et al I would seriously be thinking, "Is this the type of football I want to play for the next 4/5 years?" I damn well wouldnt.
I have felt sorry for AJ running for 90 minutes on his own with the crowd expecting him to beat 8 men, fucking ridiculous.
Get real will you.
23 Posted 07/04/2008 at 10:22:00
AJ was on the Nike ’top-10 Premiership Fastest players’ as number 1 a while back, there was a link on Toffeeweb to it.
The biggest problem is that he’s fast running after passes away from goal. If he had something to run on to towards goal, then maybe he’d leave a few defenders behind......
He is the wrong type of player to expect to play alone up front and score regularly, which he has been asked to do on many an occasion. It would be interesting to see how many of his 25 appearances have been in a 4-5-1.
You can’t compare him and the Yak - they are totally different players. The ideal is that Moyes puts together a 4-man midfield in the summer that can allow the 2 strikers to play regularly together and build a partnership. Then I’m sure the return from both AJ and the Yak will improve.
AJ is good enough, but it’s possible that he’s just not going to fit in, depending upon who we buy this summer.
24 Posted 07/04/2008 at 10:38:50
I really expect Moyes to choose his big money summer signing a creative midfielder who can dictate our attacking play to make it more of a passing game. Let’s just hope we have the money to sign a real great one.
25 Posted 07/04/2008 at 11:12:13
As for the recent Johnson baiting, look at his stats, look at how many penalties he should've won for us if the refereing standards were any good, look at the tireless running he does chasing down bad, bad balls for players who are seemingly rarely scrutinised & look how much we missed him when he was injured.
Nah fuck that, lets sell him and buy Riquelme, Raul, Eto?o and whoever else scored loads of goals for you on Champ, you muppets.
26 Posted 07/04/2008 at 11:23:11
27 Posted 07/04/2008 at 13:29:52
It all stems from this strange idea that the job of a striker is to run and track back. It is when you buy strikers who can’t score and combine it with a lack of possession and creativity.
Johnson has a good goalscoring record. I agree that his confidence was dented by all the ’diving’ stuff, so what’s been done about it?
He knows that Moyes likes players who ’work hard’ so he’s concentrating on tireless running and teamwork at the expense of his real job - to score goals.
Now that we’re starting to buy better players this ’work hard’ bollocks is coming home to roost. Yakubu is criticised for being lazy and ’not an Everton player’ He lets the ball do the work, gets into scoring positions and scores lots of goals. That’s his job. I’d fine him every time he goes near our box.
We’ve done well this season, but we’re only going to progress further by buying players who are footballers rather than athletes. They’re the ones who are less likely to be mentally tired at the end of the season. Moyes appears to be learning the difference between honest, mid-table toilers and the class necessary to turn 5th into 4th. Let’s hope Bill has deep pockets and lets Moyes spend plenty of it in the summer!
28 Posted 07/04/2008 at 13:43:07
The long balls played up, primarily from Howard, despite having full-backs in space, really hurts to watch and are undoubtedly the instructions of the manager, probably in light of the team's current lack of confidence. Good to at least see Baines scream at Howard at one point for doing this during yesterday's game.
I?m quite stunned that Andrew has been singled out. I fully expected a bit of a Yakubu backlash online today, not just for his shocking performance yesterday but his general attitude (and his error against Liverpool cost us).
I?m with Lyndon, I?m a fan of AJ, and still rate him highly. I think he?s quality, so much better than we?ve had to put up with in recent seasons. It?s just so unfortunate he hasn?t shaken off his persistent injury fully.
If AJ was missing loads of chances I?d criticise him too, but he?s not really. When fit, he isn?t getting anywhere like decent service at the moment in my opinion. I know where you're coming from Chris, it?s not pretty but I think the lack of an attacking midfielder and our defensive style is highlighting AJ?s weak hold-up play. Yes he?s more effective away from home where there?s space behind, and at home when opponents sit deep, maybe AJ?s committment alone isn?t enough, maybe James Vaughan or Cahill will be ahead of AJ in the pecking order at the start of next season, I don?t know, but criticism of Andrew certainly isn?t warranted in my opinion.
29 Posted 07/04/2008 at 15:22:16
I never picked a team of eleven men just because they are really fit and run like the wind.
30 Posted 07/04/2008 at 15:57:00
31 Posted 07/04/2008 at 16:34:17
32 Posted 07/04/2008 at 17:51:00
Johnson isnt the greatest but how many are.
33 Posted 07/04/2008 at 17:28:26
Sure Andy Johnson is a nice player. Sure he?s fast. Sure he works his ass off. Sure he "should have gotten us half a dozen more penalties." (but sadly, reputation preceding him, he hasn?t). Look, he scores wonder goals when we don?t need them, disallowed one?s when we do, the lad?s a mess. 6 goals in the EPL!!! what a return!
I know he gets shit balls from Neville (a player who has no business starting for us) and the like, but when I see him take on a defender and 9 out of 10 times go for the corner, I?m aghast. Use your speed and use your fucking head! Where?s the goal, it?s not in the corner! Everyone on the team is headed for goal, and he?s taking the ball outside to two awaiting defenders.
In truth, he?s not good enough for a top 4 team and we?ve outgrown him. No problem, it?s happened many times before and hopefully it?s a problem that will continue to happen.
But we shouldn?t sell him before we can get some cover. Looking at our squad, we need every body we can get. But what cannot happen is Aj?s insipid performances stunting the growth of Vic and Vaughn. Than the whole team will be effected.
Side note to John Lloyd: Tim Cahill is my favorite player. And by the looks of it, one of, if not our most important player. But life is about results and the boy can?t keep himself on the pitch. Harsh, but true...I?m certainly not saying we should get rid of him. Alex Ferguson would certainly buy a player to cover.
34 Posted 07/04/2008 at 18:38:30
I had said that we need a new holding midfielder and cited Mascherano, Makelele and Carrick etc.
I know we can?t afford them Mr Cooper. That wasn?t the point. The point is it?s a very important position and one that needs to be addressed with a £10 million + purchase in the off-season. Someone who not just flies around lunging at tackles, but someone that can distribute and start the play from the back as well.
35 Posted 07/04/2008 at 21:42:36
This is because his Everton sides supply awful service. When we have played well this season it has been when Arteta, Pienaar, and Cahill have been on song providing an attcking midfield. Lose Cahill and Pienaar and a very poor Arteta means no service. Playing Phil Neville in midfield ahead of Fernandes is just shocking. Fuck off, Moyes!