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So, Davey Boy says 'It will take us another five or years to be up there with a chance of breaking into the top four'.

I never cease to be amazed at how easily his sights are lowered. When we're doing well, he talks about preserving our top flight status. When we're pushing the top four and we lose to some bums, we get told how far the team has come; and when we are in contention for a Uefa Cup place and have a key home tie against a Chelsea side that has looked less than invulnerable, we get told it's a nothing match.

We now have Villa and Portsmouth breathing down our necks and subject to results (and an FA / Uefa wrangle), we could even be edged out by Cardiff City!

We get told the squad is big enough to get the job done, that we have the depth to compete on all fronts, then when Cahill gets crocked we go back to the Neville/Carsley central midfield combo, that has all of the G14 quaking in their boots. He then admits that we don't necessarily have the squad depth to compete.

I have no idea what the implications are of the latest comments. Does it mean we'll still be relying on Carsley when he's pushing 40, does it mean Neville is untouchable or does it mean the team is going to get the investment is dearly needs? Your guess is as good as mine.

I suspect he is banking on a steady trickle of improvement and a dodgy reliance on statistical extrapolation. We have to admit that teams like Villa, Pompey, Man City, QPR, West Ham and Spurs all have the financial clout to leave us in the shade in a race for fifth, let alone the top four. Yes, we need investment, not rabbits out the hat, but we also need a manager that has the nous to take us to the next level.

I'm not saying Moyes is a bad manager, but his limitations are there for all to see. Unless there is some great sea change at the club, I can't see how Uefa Cup qualification ? let alone the Champions League ? is going to be a realistic perennial ambition. He can throw whatever figure he likes at us: two, four, five or ten years. It won't change the fact that if we don't finish at least fifth, everything that has happened this season, will be all for nothing.

I don't know what's going on the club and whether it's Kenwright, Goebbels...oops I mean Wyness or Moyes who's at fault. I just want some transparency. We won't get it though.
Mark Wynne, Bury St Edmunds     Posted 19/04/2008 at 19:47:08

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Trevor Hemming
1   Posted 19/04/2008 at 20:13:01

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What a shrewdie is David Moyes. No quick fix with him, it`s a rolling six year timescale to even `have a chance` of catching up with the `big boys`! In the meantime he fills his boots on vague promises that `we are on the right track` - just as long as his guvnor backs him to the hilt.

Oh how I wish i could have found a boss so gullible and a customer base so willing to stand for a 10- (or 11-) year delivery timescale. Good on yer Dave, you`re a smooth operator, make no mistake!

John Martin
2   Posted 19/04/2008 at 21:50:41

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Or maybe Moyes is a realist
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 19/04/2008 at 22:10:27

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John how further ahead will the top four be after another ten years of guaranteed CL football?
Steve Williams
4   Posted 19/04/2008 at 22:01:49

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Someone (everyone?) is missing the point here (probably including DM!).

We don’t need to compete well AGAINST the top four in order to compete WITH them!

What? I hear you say! Here’s the explanation:

We’ve taken ONE point against the the top four all season.

But, we’ve dropped EIGHT points against the bottom four this season.

With these eight points we would have been on the same points as the Merde Rouge even without the points we were robbed of, and comfortably already qualified for Europe into the bargain.

DM needs to do his job and get the players focussed for the games we should win blindfolded, before he opens his mouth to talk a crock of ... well you know what, about not competing and waving white flags!
Roy Coyne
5   Posted 19/04/2008 at 22:39:22

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I have just told the wife that I drink less now than 5 years ago... and if she waits another 5 years, I will be teetotal. She didn't buy it. How come it works for Davey?
Stash Adams
6   Posted 19/04/2008 at 23:40:25

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I suppose you have to look at it as a Toffee, you know what I mean... He must have some idea about the coffers for the next few years, and let's face it, there is never huge stacks of dollars in ours. You have got to be proud of the fact that we are building a side without the quick-fix help of some dopey foreigner who doesn?t know the first thing about football let alone have the passion we have.

I personally think the long-term plan will be in our interest if we are to win things for years to come. Fair enough, the best players around would be nice but that don?t give the young lads coming through a hope in hell unless they are the next "Judas". And let's face it, they don?t come round very often. I want to see the Vaughans and the Anichebes doing the business in five years, not slung on the scrap heap like so many others have been. Have faith and our time will come. But most of all, have patience..

Steve Williams
7   Posted 20/04/2008 at 01:10:55

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Stash,

You’ve fallen for it, hook, line and sinker!

I don’t like young Mr. Rooney any more than anyone else. He is an arrogant ingoramus who will never have an ounce of class but ... the Board knew that he was the only alternative to us going bust. A capital repayment on a loan (£10m) was due the day after the sale - what a coincidence!

So don’t accuse others of being a Judas - please look far closer to home.

For me, for the reasons that we have lost far too many points to teams that will be relegated, I fear that DM has taken us to a place that, a few years ago would be highly preferable, but still doesn’t match our history and expectations, and can’t take us any further. He even sounds like a loser now!

The question is are we happy with that, or do we have the desire for more? The fans can have a say, but ultimately the Board will decide.
Arthur Jones
8   Posted 20/04/2008 at 06:44:29

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At the end of this season I will be amazed if DM receives any more than £10-15m to spend in the transfer market, that's the underlying message made here. All the players on the wishlists of various forums will come to nothing... maybe Bradley at £4.5M and a few loan deals will be arranged again.

This is wholly due to Everton?s current financial status. We cannot compete with even Pompey as BK has not come up with any additional finance despite his claim of looking 24/7 for backing, which of course we know is a very dodgy claim. He wil rely on Davy to pull a few more rabbits out of hats, which he?s done for 6 years now. Think back a few years: Marcus Bent and Kevin Kilbaine got us into 4th place alongside an ageing Davey Wier, a useless Pistone, and his best signing ever, a fantastic Nigel Martyn.

He?s got us to the brink on a few occasions and no doubt over the next few seasons we?ll get into the top 4 again. Realistically speaking, under the present regime with the same conditions he?s put under, it will take us 5/6 years to do this regularly. The main point being is that he?s probably the ONLY manager that can do this. If we put someone else into his position with the same restrictions, we?d be lucky to be a top-half team each season.

The only way we would achieve his aims any quicker is if BK were to sell out to someone who?s prepared to back him with a lot of funds. That is just not going to happen , BK loves his position as a Premier League chairman with the Best of the Rest title. He knows as long as DM keeps performing as he?s done and gets us into positions far better than his counterparts continually do with more money to spend then his kudos will coninue to rise .

This season we are likely to finish 5th and this is despite having to rely heavily on Hibbert , Neville and an ageing Lee Carsley. Put those 3 players into a top 4 team each week and see how they?d all perform! DM has been forced to do that because of no transfer funds.

Gavin Ramejkis
9   Posted 20/04/2008 at 09:28:23

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Arthur, that being the case when will DM said sod this for a game of soldiers and move on? It?s not just the players that want success. That charlatan BK has a lot to answer for and will sit smug in his ivory tower only popping his glib blue rinsed face over the battlements when we get a sniff of success and doing his usual shithouse invisible man when it?s going pear shaped.
Arthur jones
10   Posted 20/04/2008 at 10:12:38

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I personally think he has high hopes of managing man utd , I know wheb Sir Alex does retire there will be loads looking to take his place but I think Fergie will have a big say in his succesor and DM will be high on his list and .... how about this as a guess , , a management team of Moyes Ince And Fergie Junior ? , If he was offered that he’d crawl on his hands and knees down the East Lancs road ! But DM does know that if he hinted at leaving then any Prem team with bigger financial backing would jump at him , Then we’d see what he would be capable of doing with proper money , Where do you think West Ham or Newcastle would be with Moyes as Boss ? Top 4 ? easily , and the unthinkable Imagine if he had Beneathus’s financial backing and gerrard and torres to call on , It wouldn’t be 18 years to winning the prem ! 2 years and there’d be that trophy in a cabinet
Ivan Smith
11   Posted 20/04/2008 at 11:08:44

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I’m a Man Unt.fan so sorry for straying onto your territory.My brother is an Everton season ticket holder and has just forwarded the contribution from Arthur Jones about Moyes being a natural successor to Fergie.
You must be bloody joking-the man’s had little or no European experience and would never be able to manage a club with Rooney in the dressing room.However well he is perceived to have done at Everton,I can assure you that my club will be after a far bigger fish than the ’Ginger One’ when the time eventually comes.You can rest in your beds if that’s your only worry.
Moyes?I bloody ask you!
Brian Waring
12   Posted 20/04/2008 at 11:24:01

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So Davey has another 5 year plan. What happen’s if our better player’s decide they don’t want to hang around for another 5 yrs, knocking on the door of ther top 4? If we lost our better player’s over the next couple of year’s, would Davey have to start again with his first 5 year plan? Boy, for the next 30yrs, we could still be going through another one of Davey’s 5 year plans.
Harry Meek
13   Posted 20/04/2008 at 12:35:41

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Moysey ALWAYS has a five year plan! It’s frustrating but I think it’s his way of saying that unless things financial change dramatically at Everton we shall ALWAYS be five years from being a top club again.It’s the same as saying we are only three or four players away from being a good side...or is it five or six? It’s the same with a new stadium.We are always a few years away from moving.It happened with King’s Dock and as sure as eggs it will happen when Kirkby goes tits up as it surely will.
Guess we just have to get used to always being ’on the brink of something big’!
Mark Griffiths
14   Posted 20/04/2008 at 13:43:05

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I am getting really worried now about Villa, they are 4 up against Birmingham and so their GD is now better than ours.

The way we are playing at the moment really makes me think Villa could turn us over next week!

If that is the case and Portsmouth beat City today then FFS, what a shitastrophy of an end to a season it would be!
Arthur Jones
15   Posted 20/04/2008 at 18:57:53

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Ivan, my reference to Utd was a touch tongue in cheek; he may have ambitions in this direction but I can?t see them being fulfilled. My main point was the second part of my post that if a team with more money to spend were to take Moyes on then I think he would prove how good he really could be. Our poor form at the moment is an example of this; we don?t have the back-up in the squad to replace players who are injured or out of form and have to rely on players who?ve been praised all season in this forum but a few bad results and we must sell them NOW.

The best examples of how fickle fans can be are Beattie and Mc Fadden, they were damned to hell on here and now they?ve knocked a couple of goals in there are people saying "what did we sell him for ?" or "we never played to his strengths "

Anyway, Ivan, don?t worry because if Moyes does go to Utd then, after his 4th champions league win, you?ll be inundated with Blues telling you that we knew he could do it but the board wouldn?t give him the money ? just like Faddy's and Beattie?s new-found standing ? after the horse has bolted!


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