The media in these parts is billing Sunday`s game as a battle between two of` "the brightest young managers in the game" and whilst you could argue that the word `young` can hardly be applied to a 50+ manager with over 20 years experience in the role, I sort of see what they`re getting at!
I suspect it`s true to say that for many Evertonians, Martin O`Neill would be a popular choice as successor to David Moyes if, perish the thought, our hero moved on... so how do their records compare?
I don`t keep records of my own so I went to soccerbase.com and found the following figures for the two as Premier status managers:-
Moyes (Everton only): P 280 W 117 L 99 D 64 O`Neill (Leicester City & Villa): P 303 W 115 L 93 D 95 Thus Moyes has a winning percentage of 41.8 against O`Neill`s 39.8 but loses 35.4 of his games to the Irishman`s 30.7.On drawn matches,the two are a distance apart with O`Neill`s sides tieing 31.4 against Moyes's 22.9.
Of course the Villa man has a wealth of managerial experience going back to his start with Grantham Town in 1986 whilst Moyes has only just celebrated 10 years since he took the reins at PNE, but in Premier League football they are very much on the same wavelength in win percentages.
So will O`Neill`s slightly more adventurous approach triumph over our man`s natural caution? Seeing film of last Saturday`s walloping of Birmingham City, I feared the worst but then I thought, hell that was bloody Birmingham, Everton will be an entirely different matter. I hope...
Alan Woodhead, Posted 21/04/2008 at 14:01:36
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1 Posted 21/04/2008 at 20:33:35
2 Posted 21/04/2008 at 20:38:08
3 Posted 21/04/2008 at 20:40:57
4 Posted 21/04/2008 at 21:17:08
5 Posted 21/04/2008 at 21:19:09
6 Posted 21/04/2008 at 21:12:59
I would say that O?Neill is where Moyes will be in a few years time (preferably with Everton and some trophies on the shelf) but right now of the two Moyes would come 2nd-best.
Yes, O?Neill has had more money to spend at Villa (I don?t know how the amounts compare) but he?s transformed a team from what it was into definite European contenders very quickly.
By the way, I?m saying this more in support of O?Neill than attempting to knock Moyes.
Moyes?s time will come and if he only had some money to spend it?ll come quickly me thinks!
In the meantime the current stats don?t bear thinking about. Comparing the results against Brum and Derby it just boggles the mind what could happen next Sunday.
Or we could just actually turn up and play and beat them 3-0!
Either way, COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 Posted 21/04/2008 at 23:02:20
north of the border experience for the simple reason that only two clubs are in it with any sort of chance.
Question: What two clubs will share the Scots premiership in each of the next 50 to 100 years?
Speaks for itself eh’.
As for next weeks game, Villa’s recent results came by throwing caution to the winds and going all out on the attack.
That is something David Moyes in his wildest dreams would never do.
Davids first thoughts are to hold what we’ve got and maybe nick a decider.
Only when our backs are to the wall does he go for it. Usually by then its too late.
A good example was the two Fiorentina games. Trying to hold the line In the first came horribly unstuck.
In the second game he had no option but to come out with all guns firing and it almost succeeded.
Fiorentina tried to hold what they had and nearly came unstuck.
Against Villa, if Moyes goes for it from the start we could be in for a breathtaking match. On the other hand, if he is true to form it will be a pack the midfield dreary defensive experience.
8 Posted 22/04/2008 at 00:06:20
Plus I was making the comment that all of that experience with Celtic (battling Rangers the only other team in Scotland apparently) and all that European experience every year -- goes towards the total experience that O?Neill has and Moyes doesn?t......or in Moyes case has only really just begun to experience.
9 Posted 22/04/2008 at 07:14:09
10 Posted 22/04/2008 at 08:05:01
11 Posted 22/04/2008 at 08:21:05
12 Posted 22/04/2008 at 08:30:25
13 Posted 22/04/2008 at 09:22:28
In my heart I hope it's 3 points on Sunday but my head's saying we?re in for a hiding. Villa in form, we?re way out of form. It's going to take something special and I don't think we have it in us at this stage of the season.
14 Posted 22/04/2008 at 09:47:23
15 Posted 22/04/2008 at 11:10:00
How ridiculous to suggest that because one team can beat anouther team by more goals than we managed to beat them by, that means they?ll beat us because of that!! It?ll be a totally different game on Sunday, difficult but I reckon a 2-0 win for us!
Moyes is a brilliant manager and at the end of the day we?re sitting in 5th with our destiny in our hands and Villa quite simply are not so that tells me who I'd rather have as our manager. The only difference at the moment is Villa have a bit more left in the tank cos they haven't had to play quite as many games as us because they weren't good enough to qualify for Europe last season ? just like they won't be this season.
16 Posted 22/04/2008 at 11:47:45
Thats 4 points from six?
Will it be enough? I think Villa may well just pip us.
17 Posted 22/04/2008 at 12:08:42
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19 Posted 22/04/2008 at 13:26:16
No on this current form, we have lost to Fulham, drew with West Ham, Birmingham & narrowly beaton Derby. Everton have taken 4 points from the last possible 18. Not exactly convincing, and were awfull in ALL 6 matches.
For the record Everton also beat Sunderland 1 - 0 with the goal from AJ’s elbow, and an Everton side that finished 4th was beaton 7-0 by Arsenal in the same season.
20 Posted 22/04/2008 at 13:49:10
21 Posted 22/04/2008 at 08:59:32
Yes, the unbelievable progress we`ve made under Moyes has raised our expectations ?and ain`t that a good thing ? but there are 16 clubs in the Prem whose followers would change places with us tomorrow. Sunday IS important but a defeat would not be a tragedy whilst a draw would prolong the excitement even further! COYB!
22 Posted 23/04/2008 at 07:46:07