The season isn't over yet and the major focus must stay on the last few games, however it's always fun to consider future options.
There have been a number of articles recently talking about the importance of certain individuals within the team, some of whom are relatively obvious — Howard, Lescott, Yobo, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Yakubu.... Next seasons headache is going to be the midfield for sure — especially given that Pienaar has just signed and assuming Moyes takes the option on Fernandes with Gravesen and VDM leaving.
Does Moyes play a 4 or 5 man midfield? Given the current run of formations it could well be 5 in which case it would be:
RM - Arteta
LM - Pienaar
CM - Cahill
CM - Fernandes
DM - ? (currently Carsley)
Which is classy in my opinion with lots of options and creativity. What about Osman? Is Neville going to play at rightback?
How about when changing to a 4 man midfield - who is dropped? would it revert to:
RM - Arteta
LM - Pienaar
CM - Cahill
CM - Fernandes
And then there are the questions asked if/when Moyes signs another midfield player. Arshavin has been mentioned — who gets dropped to play him? The team desperately needs a new defensive midfielder — is Manny up to that position?
Tony Hawkins, Posted 23/04/2008 at 19:36:59
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1 Posted 24/04/2008 at 08:11:18
2 Posted 24/04/2008 at 08:24:49
I’m also not convinced that BK could find the money for the likes of Arshavin, Dudu or Kallstrom. I think these links are just the usual EFC ’ we do have ambition - honest ’ spinning that we get from this board. Maybe I’m just getting caught up in all this end of season negativity but you might be better off working out how the likes of Sean Davis or Stephen Hunt would fit into our midfield.
3 Posted 24/04/2008 at 08:53:44
He would be better playing the role Alonso plays with Liverpool next to a Mascherano type.
With arteta and Pienar and Cahill and Osman as the options.
4 Posted 24/04/2008 at 08:49:47
5 Posted 24/04/2008 at 09:40:40
6 Posted 24/04/2008 at 10:06:00
Sadly I think DM bought Neville mainly with midfield in mind and that he will take the Carsley role next year. I very much hope I am wrong.
I also agree with Marc on the propects (near enough zero) of having the money for Arshavin and Co.
I think we really must get a fast wideman from somehere. Arteta and Pienaar are both very good players, but a nippy wide man who can cross properly is IMHO an essential.
So, assuming PN takes the holding role, that leaves us with a new wide player, plus any two from Arteta, Osman and Pienaar, depending on form and fitness. With Tim fit again that makes a 5 man midfield which DM seems to prefer.
7 Posted 24/04/2008 at 10:22:20
8 Posted 24/04/2008 at 10:41:09
We need another 2 quality midfielders in the summer preferrably with a mix of talent & physicality which would release Baines to play left back (according to DM in the echo)
With the new two midfielders we would have alongside Mikel, Tim, Peanuts, Osman, Carsley and possibly Gosling that would give us 7/8 midfielders for upcoming season which will see us right over the course of the year and enable us to change team or players dependant on form/injuries/suspensions.
I have left Neville’s name off as I’m praying & hoping he is never included in our midfield EVER again.
As for who the two signings should be I dont like playing the fantasy manager game, I’ve got my own ideas but I’ll keep them to myself rather than spark a championship manager type of thread.
9 Posted 24/04/2008 at 11:13:43
10 Posted 24/04/2008 at 11:33:18
Next stop the premiership!
11 Posted 24/04/2008 at 11:42:37
Moyes said it was becuase he wanted extra ’stature’ in defence, hence Lescott being used predominantly as a left back - with Yobo and Jagielka at centre half. He implied next season he sees Baines as the team’s first choice left back, and that to accommodate this we will need extra ’stature’ in other parts of the pitch.
I guess this means he will be looking for at least one midfielder with a lot of physical presence.
I’m no fan of FM-style shopping lists, but my guess is his focus this summer will be (having already secured Pienaar) on securing the signings of Manny and/or a big central midfielder.
Does this mean the end for Carsley...? I reckon it might
12 Posted 24/04/2008 at 11:49:15
He wants to move back to Spain. His girlfriend moved back at Xmas and since then he?s had lots of ?rehabilative trips to Spain? which is where he is currently again with a stomach injury.
If anyone saw his reaction to the crowd when he hit an over-hit pass against Derby, days after his agent had been spouting off (no smoke without fire) coupled with his indifferent form this year, would suspect that something is not quite right with him.
Everton is the longest spell he has had at a club but unfortunately I believe it is coming to end this Summer.
Arteta is undoubtably a class act and one we will miss greatly but it?s inevitable he?s on his way.
13 Posted 24/04/2008 at 11:56:43
14 Posted 24/04/2008 at 12:17:04
How many times recently has our first choice midfield been fit? Also when was the last time Arteta had a good game anyway? It’s a dream away but wouldn’t it be good to have Bently!
15 Posted 24/04/2008 at 13:04:44
DM: Dudu/Cars/other new signing
The Yak would be fed constantly!!!
16 Posted 24/04/2008 at 12:58:35
Working on the basis we lose Graverson and AVDM, let Fernandes go and keep Carsley with Gosling graduating into the first team set up that would leave us a much better balenced midfield with plenty of options for either 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
Gosling and a new left winger would provide pace and width with Arteta and Peanuts to cover in wide areas if needed. Carsley and Sidwell would provide strength and presence (Sidwell can actually pass and move as well!) and Arteta, Peanuts, Osman and Cahill can provide the gile, creativity and goal threat.
I reckon our defence is solid enough for the time being, and with the four stikers we have, if we can get the midfield sorted out with 8 players who can all play a bit and cover a few positions, we’ll have a much stronger squad to push on with next year.
17 Posted 24/04/2008 at 13:30:53
Lorik Cana would be good for defensive mid about £6mil?
18 Posted 24/04/2008 at 13:43:05
We hav £10m to spend plus sales from other players. Arteta will be used to finance players coming in.
19 Posted 24/04/2008 at 14:13:40
20 Posted 24/04/2008 at 14:11:27
By the way I don’t mind all the FM stuff at the mo, takes your mind off the weekend. Gonna be an uptight couple of days.
There my minds back on Villa now.
21 Posted 24/04/2008 at 14:20:24
By my reckoning summer budget should be at least £16-17 million but ideally £20+.
Money not spent on Manny last season is £11-12 mill ? it's never been spent and we made £5-6 mill on McFadden so I would and more likely will be disappointed if Moyes is only given £10 mill.
If rumours are true then City are already looking to spend £20 mill on striker Jo. We can't afford not compete in the transfer market.
22 Posted 24/04/2008 at 15:02:01
Can you tell me why you?ve chosen not to publish my comments about Arteta?
I?m becoming increasingly frustrated with your censorship
23 Posted 24/04/2008 at 14:49:06
24 Posted 24/04/2008 at 15:09:28
25 Posted 24/04/2008 at 15:12:39
26 Posted 24/04/2008 at 15:27:11
So, Carsley, and Neville? Almost everyone I read on thie site wants a step up in power and- mainly - class in this role. I do believe that Moyes is trying to sove this problem, but I’m afraid we’re going to have to wait and see.
27 Posted 24/04/2008 at 17:17:47
28 Posted 24/04/2008 at 17:29:43
Carsley is a british style defensive midfielder who basically runs around the pitch breaking up play. His style doesn’t really need any positional sense and he is free to roam and chase after anyone he wants.
Fernandes is a deep lying play maker with good positioning. He’s not going to dive into tackles and break up play but he does player in deeper position more or less infront of the back four. He drops deep and supports the defenders and when he has the ball brings people into play with his passing.
The likes of Carrick and Scholes at Utd and Alonso and Masherano at Liverpool occupy similar places on the pitch and let others attack around them. They work with each other so to speak and it benefits the team.
The problem we have is that in most of the games Fernandes and Carsley have played together Carsley is usually the furtherest forward whereas Fernandes plays deeper. Its no ones fault there just different players. We usually look better with Osman in there because he’s more attacking and have the energy to support the front man.
If it was up to me next season we’d should be looking at a continental 4-2-3-1 formation. four defenders, 2 deep lying midfielders, three creative midfielders and a striker. Alot of teams are using at and it probably suits are play.
29 Posted 24/04/2008 at 17:47:59
30 Posted 24/04/2008 at 18:15:56
31 Posted 24/04/2008 at 18:20:34
But the price is key. If its a ridiculous price like 12-14 milllion for example then the only chance of Manuel being hear is on loan. If its for around 8 million and we get a decent budget then Fernandes will probably be signed. 8 million would be a snip for someone of his ability and potential in my opinion. If Andy Johnson is worth 8.6 mllion and Leighton Baines is worth 6 million then I have no doubts Fernandes is worth 8 million.
32 Posted 24/04/2008 at 19:26:58
33 Posted 24/04/2008 at 18:57:37
My ideal starting lineup, next year would be:
Yakubu (Vaughan, Johnson, Anichebe)
Bench: New winger, Rodwell, Osman, Jagielka (he can play GK too!), Neville
I don’t think we’ll have the money to pick up more than one big name player, so my choice would be Kallstrom over Arshavin, plus tying up Manny on the cheap, and bringing in some young talent from the reserves or the Championship.
Lescott gets the armband next year. He is vocal and leads by example.
Huge three weeks coming up - I think we’ll pull it out in the end, but I’ll be on blood pressure meds until it’s all over!
34 Posted 24/04/2008 at 21:01:49
35 Posted 25/04/2008 at 07:34:25
36 Posted 25/04/2008 at 07:49:04
The good thing about Bradley is he is versatile in the sense that he is used to playing different positions and different systems. He plays as a defensive midfielder for USA whereas for Heerenveen he plays in the "Cahill role" behind the front man. I think he sees himself as a box to box midfielder.
Will he be a success in England? I don’t know but he has the tools to make it hear. He’s certainly tenacious and hardoworking which could help and playing in Holland will obviously improve his techniuque and natural ability.
He’s different to Fernandes. Yes there of a similar age but Fernandes is alot more experienced and has played at alot higher level domestically and on a European stage. I could see someone like Fernandes coming hear and getting himself into the starting eleven whereas I couldn’t see that with Bradley.
I’m all for signing him though if the price is right. A promising player and at 4 million would be a good deal.
I think Arshavin would show a signal of intent go be honest. Quality player with a growing reputation. He also can fill three roles. Wide right, wide left and as a second striker. Could be a useful player for us.
37 Posted 25/04/2008 at 11:59:42
38 Posted 25/04/2008 at 12:33:00
Of the Top players we have who command a starting 11 place only Lescott is 99% guaranteed a slot meaning the Everton team is likely to have only 1 English play on the pitch, particularly next season if we buy new midfielders.
39 Posted 25/04/2008 at 13:36:44
40 Posted 25/04/2008 at 13:39:28
Lennon, Huddlestone and Jenas don?t appear on that list. Jenas is probably too like TC but Lennon would fit in and if Huddlestone can keep the excess weight off he would certainly fill a hole in mid-field!!!!
Don?t think we should lose anyone AVDM excepted. Need to build depth into the squad. But all this is academic if we don?t qualify for Europe No European football and the quality of player willing to join dips. So let?s concentrate on beating the Villa before we start making our wish lists.
41 Posted 25/04/2008 at 13:52:17
42 Posted 25/04/2008 at 19:53:21
Arteta Cahill Pienaar
would be fearsome! If we have the money and intent to push on, I?d pass on Manny in favor of those two.
Also, again, we need a new right back. Hibbert is bush league and Neville should not be a starter. Surely there?s some young cheap talent out there to fill that role.