Harry Rednapp on soccernet has said 150 million to break into the top four, with no gaurantee!! Keegan has said you need to spend big, and a few others have made similar comments, David Moyes included.
Now DM has improved us to a 5th or 6 th position side; you need money for the next stage and we haven't got any, so what is the scenario? He cannot get us success even if he had money (but how do we know?) or you do not like the style, but without a large budget would prefer better style at probably not achieving 5th or 6 th?
Now I get frustrated at the hoofball, bad passing of Hibbert and Neville, the bad corners of Fernandes, and AJ's "into the corner" running of rescent times, but we have had our fair share of decent footy mid-season for a small squad. Because, as all pros will tell you, over a season the table does not lie. So until we get a sugar daddy, do we want the success of this season or style??
Anton Holmes, Posted 07/05/2008 at 01:16:00
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1 Posted 07/05/2008 at 03:21:38
I feel Moyes is approaching this next pre-season with the strongest squad he has ever had in terms of quality and is just a couple of class signings (please God) away from being able to put out a team which just may well be able to give us what we want.
Ok, so we don’t have the millions at our disposal that some of our rivals do, but DM will surely have a bit of cash thrown his way this summer, and I trust him to make better use of that money than the squillions that Harry Redknapp et al will flash around in the coming months!
2 Posted 07/05/2008 at 04:03:42
Add a quality winger, another good defensive midfielder, another Pienaar. Add a good right back. ... if we could get (long shot) that in the summer I reckon we could have a good crack.
3 Posted 07/05/2008 at 04:19:57
4 Posted 07/05/2008 at 07:52:00
Also the only reason Liverpool went on to 4th is Gerrard & Torres, I don?t care what people say but for all they have spent I still think outside those two that have a lot of ordinary players.
Add to that the money spent by Newcastle, Spurs, Portsmouth & Man City, and there is a genuine argument that big money is not the answer.
For me its about clubs who invest in a plan, get a quality manager with a medium-long term plan and gradually change a squad. Both Moyes & O?Neill have done this and to a certain extent Hughes at Blackburn.
Incidently it would be interesting if Blackburn pip Villa for 6th and we remain 5th as I believe that us & Blackburn are two of the lowest spending clubs!
5 Posted 07/05/2008 at 08:40:44
Gunners have at least double the wage bill we have. This £150m includes room to offer players really big wages. Or do you think Henry would have played for them as long as he has if he would have been on the wages we can offer? Henry earned £120000 a week. These are figures even Spurs and Barcodes are not prepared to pay although they’re getting closer than we do.
6 Posted 07/05/2008 at 08:50:49
Really, they didn?t? so their huge wage bill and buying of Hleb, Adebayor, Gallas etc is not spending much and then paying for a brand new stadium, methinks they have spend plenty of dosh.
It?s a romantic dream that we will be able to break into the Sky 4 next season if we buy well but guess what the Shite and those above will all spend, in all possibility, over £50m on their squads with at least two "star" players coming in when we will do the best with what?s left.
I hate to say it but Keegan has a point in that the Sky 4 sqauds are light years ahead of the chasing group and always will be until the better players stop going to them, which is hardly likely to happen is it?
7 Posted 07/05/2008 at 08:52:50
The Premier League is probably the most physically demanding league in the world and it is unrealistic to expect players to be able to play at 110% every week for nine months. This is why the ’top four’ have such large squads with better quality second string players such as Benayoun, this enables them to rotate players keeping the first choice players fresh during the course of the season and bringing in quality replacements when faced with injuries.
The only way to deal with this is to increase the quality and quantity of the squad which comes down to one thing.....money. Whether in transfer fees or wages to sustain a large squad of good quality costs a fortune as pointed out by Erik.
8 Posted 07/05/2008 at 09:05:23
If we do finish 5th we have effectively won the second league. It is not sustainable now for a club that does not finish in the top 4 each season to break in to it. That is the reality unfortunately. As a European League met so many objections the solution was to effectively have a mini league with the top clubs and have barriers to entry.
Sadly, I honestly believe the reason we?re not in it was Heysel robbing us of being at the top of the English game when the cash started rolling in. Perversely though, I think the way the top 4 operate in this way stinks (although i don?t really blame Man Utd and Asenal) and I?m glad we?re not like that.
9 Posted 07/05/2008 at 09:20:30
10 Posted 07/05/2008 at 09:14:17
a) To lower fans' expectations, especially Keegan who the Geordies would have you believe will win the Prem within 3 years!
b) To make the chairman release more funds, we both know that the two clubs in question are not short so thier managers are obviously hoping they get as much as possible
c) Lastly the teams these men are in cahrge of are not good enough! Pompey have had a superb season & a great time under Redknapp but does anyone honestly believe that they will or could become a force in this country let alone Europe?? It's probably the same as point A but lowering fan expectations makes them appreciate what you actually do a little more.
The thing about us is that we have done it already, we have tasted what was needed and we are hopefully still hungry for that again. A few factors come into it, but if next season the weakest link of the top 4 (usually the shite but possibly gooners next year) have an off season, plus we have a season similar to this but with a bit more quality and more bodies to cope with loss of form/injuries/suspensions we would have probably wrapped up 4th last week!!
Another massive season for DM & ourselves next year, we have to maintain improvement as standing still in the prem is like going backwards. Spurs, Villa and City will come back stronger, Pompey, Geordies & Blackburn may improve also. Coupled with the teams above probably throwing crazy money around we have to be clever/lucky and hopefully we can crack it again......
Either that or Bill Gates develops a new passion for ?soccerball? and wants a playclub like Roman has with the rentboys!!
11 Posted 07/05/2008 at 09:52:53
12 Posted 07/05/2008 at 10:12:53
Back in the 60s/70s/80s teams brought through good players and built their team around them; nowadays as soon as someone outside the CL teams has even a decent year they are snaffled by the CL teams to just bolster thier squad. Why didnt Wright-Phillips stay and build something at City to sit on bench??? Sidwell, Ben Haim etc etc!!! We?ve been burned oursleves, Barmby, Rooney anyone.
I don't know what would improve it though?? We could just fuck them off & let them play in a European super league & lets see how long fans would put up with that for, Milan one week, Madrid the next then Moscow then wherever, won't be cheap....
Something needs to be done though...
13 Posted 07/05/2008 at 10:50:05
Wenger and he?s scouts have an ability to spot young talented players, which they then bring through into the 1st team, such as Flamini, Fabregas, Diaby, Adebeyor, Van Persie, Helb. All have then gone on to secure higher wages and long contracts after performing well. Its not impossible that we could have paid those fees & wages initially.
14 Posted 07/05/2008 at 10:50:21
How about this for an idea that would bring parity to our league, Only the Champions from each country qualify for the Champions League, the rest go in to the Uefa cup and the cup winners in each country enter a competition called The Cup Winners Cup.
I know, genius!
Must e-mail this to Michel
15 Posted 07/05/2008 at 11:07:54
Hleb and Adebayor were first team regulars at their clubs and played in the Champions League on a regular base. I think the wages they got from Arsenal from the moment they signed are bigger than any player at Everton earned.
16 Posted 07/05/2008 at 12:12:04
I have mentioned on a post some months back that my belief is when players talk about playing in the CL they want to do it with the clubs from England, Spain & Italy as they are typically the successful ones.
In instances where players play for the likes of Ajax, Fenebache, Shalke, Lyon etc I don’t think its impossible that they would consider moving to the likes of us. Infact both Kallstrom & Asharvin have mentioned as such in the press, and both will play in CL next year if they remain at there clubs.
On the wages side there profile is raised by moving to Arsenal and subsequently there wages increase, if we got in there early enough there’s no reason we can’t give them a rise from where they are currently paid even if its not as much as Arsenal.
Asharvin is a classic example, it looks likely that if we were to stump up the funds we could attract him to Everton now, of course if the likes of Arsenal & Spurs join the race then it starts to get more difficult
17 Posted 07/05/2008 at 13:05:38
WE. DON?T. HAVE. ANY. MONEY. ;)
We had both because we had healthy, non-fatigued players. Then they got injured and fatigued (we?ve played something like 16 more games than Villa). So what can we do to guard against that? Have more players. Players (especially good ones) tend to cost money. Hence we get back to it being true that you need money. We need less than some other teams because we?re closer -- if merely finishing fourth is our goal then it probably wouldn?t cost us £150 million. We could likely get fourth with about £30-50 spent (assuming no key players were sold). To compete for the title I?d say £100 -- assuming all the purchases were absolutely spot on. Even that?s probably pushing it though.
18 Posted 07/05/2008 at 13:10:22
19 Posted 07/05/2008 at 13:35:34
Our problem this season has simply been one of squad depth. If we’d had similarly capable midfield talent towards the end of this season to come in to replace Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill we’d have taken fourth.
Squad depth is something that will improve as time goes by - the XI is pretty much complete now, this summer is a matter of securing that squad depth (be that by signing players to be a squad player, or signing an XI player that pushes your Carsleys onto the bench) by signing 2 or 3 good players. I’d be confident about going into next season if we have 2 new midfielders who are capable.
20 Posted 07/05/2008 at 13:30:04
I’m afraid that it works the other way around: we might come in early and Kallstrom or Arshavin (or however that name is spelled) will just wait if there comes a better offer. Only if the bigger clubs have no interest they might choose to play for us. So basically I agree with Tony W.
However, that doesn’t mean that Everton shouldn’t be trying to buy these players!
21 Posted 08/05/2008 at 10:36:29